worse new order remix ever...

im a newbie so i dont know if this thread has been done before (i googled the site and didnt come across anything similar...)

bizarre love triangle (armand van helden mix)hands down. he may have turned tori amos to a dancefloor diva (his treatment of 'professional widow came out prior to this monstrosity) but van helden was all hype. this was like the last nail in his coffin because no one really paid attention to him after this was released.

mysilentface wrote:

bizarre love triangle (armand van helden mix)hands down.

True.

Any remix of Regret.

no way man, the fire island mix is house perfection on a stick.

I'm with mysilentface on this, that van helden mix is painful. AND that's despite it scoring brownie points for the extremely clever tempo turnaround thing it does in the middle (obviously the uncredited engineer who does all the work for DJ's was on form that day).

I seem to recall there being a truly repulsive version of Touched on that album too. LOVE the AoC and Confusion mixes tho, from the sublime to the ridiculous.

EDIT, it just occured to me that there are several versions of blue monday on that freebie cd that are so bad their creators ought to have their nostrils split open with a boat hook, their faces sawn off with a rusty hacksaw, then be flayed to a bloody mass and rolled in hot rock salt, lime juice and aftershave. Bring me the deep fried balls of whatever cunt thought a happy hardcore mix of BM would be clever....I mean wtf is happy hardcore anyway.....it's an oxymoron (as opposed to it's fans which are Ox-BRAINED-morons), it'd be like happy death metal. WHat people mistakenly think of as happy hardcore is just pish techno played at the wrong speed, sorry. For my next trick I will point out that water is wet, that the sky is blue, and that any woman who says "eww no way, sleep with him?" will be shagging said bloke in 2 weeks.

Steve Campbell wrote: no way man, the fire island mix is house perfection on a stick.

Sorry, but I hate any remix of Regret as it tears the heart out of it.

Remixes are even more subjective than original songs so lets not get hot.

I love the remix of regret, i think its sabre slow&low. This isnt the same as fire island, right? The remix im referring too adds an extra dimension to the song.

Agreed, they more or less always ruin the song, but fire island is a gorgeous little tune in it's own right. The sabres mix is ok as well, which is odd cos they're wankers :)

I like remixes myself,my fave at the moment has got to be the Richard X remix of BLT. On the other hand Armand Van Helden should be subjected to nipple clamps,and 100v of direct current! Also "Dubvulture" especially that awful "fingers-scraping-down-a blackboard" God-awful noise at the end!

Has to be the Sly and Robbie mixes of RIAD.Listened to then ONCE back in July 93!.

Steve Campbell wrote: no way man, the fire island mix is house perfection on a stick.

I'm with mysilentface on this, that van helden mix is painful. AND that's despite it scoring brownie points for the extremely clever tempo turnaround thing it does in the middle (obviously the uncredited engineer who does all the work for DJ's was on form that day).

I seem to recall there being a truly repulsive version of Touched on that album too. LOVE the AoC and Confusion mixes tho, from the sublime to the ridiculous.

EDIT, it just occured to me that there are several versions of blue monday on that freebie cd that are so bad their creators ought to have their nostrils split open with a boat hook, their faces sawn off with a rusty hacksaw, then be flayed to a bloody mass and rolled in hot rock salt, lime juice and aftershave. Bring me the deep fried balls of whatever cunt thought a happy hardcore mix of BM would be clever....I mean wtf is happy hardcore anyway.....it's an oxymoron (as opposed to it's fans which are Ox-BRAINED-morons), it'd be like happy death metal. WHat people mistakenly think of as happy hardcore is just pish techno played at the wrong speed, sorry. For my next trick I will point out that water is wet, that the sky is blue, and that any woman who says "eww no way, sleep with him?" will be shagging said bloke in 2 weeks.

Just a dissent on the Touched remix on Rest of. I love it.

I've got to agree, the AVH mix of BLT is shite.

it would be interesting to hear each member of NO do a mix of the same track, but probably inevitable that barney's mix would be very vocal, hooky's very bassy, steve's very drummy and phils very ginger.

regret--sabres slow & low. barf.

i read in true faith:an armchair guide to new order et al., that one of the reasons why they sanctioned sly & robbie to do those questionable remixes for ruined was because its something that we (the fans) or anyone else for that matter, would never expect them to do.

that bizz & memphis mix of touched - awesome. dont know who the hell they are but they got major points with me for sampling divine`s growling mantra into the song. epic.

bonus disc of rest of : they wanted to introduce blue monday to a new generation of rave culture. richie hawtin - could have made it more techie jam & spoon - they didnt do enough coke in the studio i would be terrified of remixing blue monday.

fire island mixes of regret - the piano sequence is nice, but is it me or are the production levels really low on that one. the weatherall mixes.. slow and low is alright, never sat down with fastnthrob

apart from avh annihilation of blt, i wish james holden could have made his dub of someone like you more like his own productions. was really looking forward to it, its all pointless noise.

Johnny wrote: Has to be the Sly and Robbie mixes of RIAD.Listened to then ONCE back in July 93!.

AGREED!!!

Lionrock / Joey T Dubby Vanelli mixes of 1963 were fucking dire. What sacrilege. Ditto the Sly'n'Robbie ones of Ruined in a Day - was that a pisstake or what? How could they? What were New Order thinking allowing them to desecrate their song in such a way?

That Armado Van Helmet mix of BLT made me so angry when I heard it I went out the very next day and promptly punched the first person I saw wearing a Ministry of Sound T-shirt.

Actually, just to save my breath just nominate all the mixes on "The Rest Of" that weren't by Perfecto, K Klass or Fluke and there you have it.

Steve Campbell wrote:

EDIT, it just occured to me that there are several versions of blue monday on that freebie cd that are so bad their creators ought to have their nostrils split open with a boat hook, their faces sawn off with a rusty hacksaw, then be flayed to a bloody mass and rolled in hot rock salt, lime juice and aftershave. Bring me the deep fried balls of whatever cunt thought a happy hardcore mix of BM would be clever....I mean wtf is happy hardcore anyway.....it's an oxymoron (as opposed to it's fans which are Ox-BRAINED-morons), it'd be like happy death metal. WHat people mistakenly think of as happy hardcore is just pish techno played at the wrong speed, sorry. For my next trick I will point out that water is wet, that the sky is blue, and that any woman who says "eww no way, sleep with him?" will be shagging said bloke in 2 weeks.

FOOKING BANG ON EXCELLENT RANT THERE MISTER!

I'll go with the AVH mix of BLT too. I really like the Biff & Memphis mix of Touched, but it seems like it has no bass! Anybody else think so?

All of em, what's wrong with originals?

I didn't scroll to the bottom before posting this... My guess for Digital Mike's choice...BM '88...am I correct?

AgentWood wrote: regret--sabres slow & low.

Christopher Owens wrote:

True.

Any remix of Regret.

you crazy? the weatherall/sabres versions are great. and fire island and the new order mix. silly man.

monty wrote:

Also "Dubvulture" especially that awful "fingers-scraping-down-a blackboard" God-awful noise at the end!

arrgh! dubvulture is brilliant! and it's all the weird shit at the end that really gets me! it's like glitch-techno in 1985. 1985! i listen to that track as much as i do any new order song. wondrous!

remixes are a facet of new order's brilliance. sure, some of the later ones are crap... most of the remixes post-1993 are dull... but that's just the state of club dance these days. if the mixers would just rework the original track, maybe adding small bits of their own in there, then the mixes would be interesting again. it got especially bad in the mid-90s... when remixers would only use small bits (if that) of the original and just put down a 4/4 bass drum and some vocal sample... absolute crap... that said, some of the remixes are like totally new songs. (should never follow like with totally...)
i think a lot of us are getting older (i know i know). that's why people like turn... what a dull song. not much to it. i don't think the remixes have been innovative lately, but at least some are interesting.

and why can't people spell "worst" on this site... i notice this all the time... "worse new order remix ever..." damn.

The Armand Van Helden remix of "BLT" and pretty much any remix that just goes on and on with hardly any of the original lyrics. Regardless of artist, I like the original lyrics to be there as much as possible in any remix.

quincy jones wasn't even the official producer on this peice of trash. blue monday '88 was produced by john potoker, jones was just credited as being 'supervising' producer. meaning his name on the sticker will sell records. the video was smart tho.

you should have tried making 'thriller 2' quincy baby

Shame of the Nation is pretty dire, as well as John Robbie's version of Subculture. The Digweed and Muir remix of Crystal (known as the Club version) is really awful - strips away everything but the vocals. Also, the scumfrog dub remix of Here to Stay just butchers the song. Why do so many people do awful NO remixes? I heard most of the remixes on the Depeche Mode remix CD and almost all were good. It's not saying that DM is a better band or that their songs are earlier to remix, but why can so few people remix NO well?

the Armand Van Helton Remix of BLT.... he must hate the song or was really stoned and bored, really uninspired

the Sly and Robbie remixes sound interesting in theory, but I don't think that they had any clue what to so with it

I think in recent years they have tried to avoid remixers who are not all that interested except to pick up a paycheck... but it is sort of hit and miss

Oh, yes Blue Eyed Boy...how could we forget the Scumfrog dub of HTS. That one was bloody awful!! Even *Sarah effin McLachlan* has some decent remixes of her songs...DJ Tiesto, William Orbit, BT, Rabbit In the Moon, Hybrid...oh nevermind.

whoops, double post

Armand Van Handonit-BLT; Hawtin BM 95; Robie's desecrating versions of Subculture; Joe T. Vanelli 1963 dub; Sly & Robbie's ruining of RAID;Funk D'Void version of SLY.

This blue-eyed boy that wants to be wrote: Shame of the Nation is pretty dire, as well as John Robbie's version of Subculture. The Digweed and Muir remix of Crystal (known as the Club version) is really awful - strips away everything but the vocals. Also, the scumfrog dub remix of Here to Stay just butchers the song. Why do so many people do awful NO remixes? I heard most of the remixes on the Depeche Mode remix CD and almost all were good. It's not saying that DM is a better band or that their songs are earlier to remix, but why can so few people remix NO well?

There's a good quota of very good remixes on the Depeche Mode remix album (Goldfrapp, Tenaglia, Flood, Air etc), but some real stinkers. Up there with some of New Order's.

Overall, Depeche Mode (or rather some Mute A&R), are much more imaginative with their choice of remixers. Maybe they have more cash to spare.

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I get the feeling he doesn't like the Krafty phones reality remix--do you?

PerfectKiss wrote: I get the feeling he doesn't like the Krafty phones reality remix--do you?

DON'T DISS MY FAVOURITE REMIX!

Dude, the worst remix is 60 MPH (Supermen Lovers Mix) - I can't believe nobody nominted it.

Leave the Jam & Spoon remixes alone. They are excellent. Not every remix can sound like Hardfloor's take on BM. You'd have 10 remixes that followed the original structure of the song. Jam & Spoon's Manuela Mix is brilliant and the Andrea Mix sound like The Police. Just great.

Yes, the Armand van Helden mix sucks. Thank goodness everyone hates him. His only credit is the Tori Amos remix he did.

The Lionrock mixes of 1963 should have been better but they weren't, I'll agree there. That was before he did a 180 and started making trip-hop. However, the Joe T. Vanelli remixes were great, imo. They kept the lyrics and it went in a good direction.

And how can you diss the Bedrock remix of Crystal? That was John Digweed & Nick Muir on the TOP of their game when Bedrock Records was seriously doing the busines in the club scene. They still are...

It seems like the people who hate the remixes last went out to a club in 1989 and can't get a hold on what the art of the remix has morphed into in the past 15 years. Of course, some remixes don't work but some of these artists really put their style into the song and pull it off well. Just to have some New Order purist go out and piss on it, it just makes me think, "well, I hope your happy with all the rock and roll music the band has put out as of late"

New Order needs to rent a synth and use it on their next LP. They've gone up their own ass with this rock crap. ENOUGH ALREADY!

That bastard Armand will have my eternal worst wishes for releasing a piece of sh*t like that with the names "New Order" and "Bizarre Love Triangle" on it. No forgiveness to him, oh never!

Jim Bob wrote: KRAFTY PHONES REALITY REMIX !!!!!

thats my favorite remix of this album cycle so far

pumped full of drugs wrote:

Jim Bob wrote: KRAFTY PHONES REALITY REMIX !!!!!

thats my favorite remix of this album cycle so far

You're having a laugh, surely?!

MTO wrote: Dude, the worst remix is 60 MPH (Supermen Lovers Mix) - I can't believe nobody nominted it.

I second that, disgrace of a remix, waist of space.

Barney & the boys must have really digged "Starlight" as it sounds quite similar to the start of Morning Night & Day!

All of em, what's the point?

MTO wrote: Dude, the worst remix is 60 MPH (Supermen Lovers Mix) - I can't believe nobody nominted it.

Leave the Jam & Spoon remixes alone. They are excellent. Not every remix can sound like Hardfloor's take on BM. You'd have 10 remixes that followed the original structure of the song. Jam & Spoon's Manuela Mix is brilliant and the Andrea Mix sound like The Police. Just great.

Yes, the Armand van Helden mix sucks. Thank goodness everyone hates him. His only credit is the Tori Amos remix he did.

The Lionrock mixes of 1963 should have been better but they weren't, I'll agree there. That was before he did a 180 and started making trip-hop. However, the Joe T. Vanelli remixes were great, imo. They kept the lyrics and it went in a good direction.

And how can you diss the Bedrock remix of Crystal? That was John Digweed & Nick Muir on the TOP of their game when Bedrock Records was seriously doing the busines in the club scene. They still are...

It seems like the people who hate the remixes last went out to a club in 1989 and can't get a hold on what the art of the remix has morphed into in the past 15 years. Of course, some remixes don't work but some of these artists really put their style into the song and pull it off well. Just to have some New Order purist go out and piss on it, it just makes me think, "well, I hope your happy with all the rock and roll music the band has put out as of late"

New Order needs to rent a synth and use it on their next LP. They've gone up their own ass with this rock crap. ENOUGH ALREADY!

I agree with all sentiments above. altho, as i get older, i cannot go to clubs as much. still those who haven't been lately, do not realize how much the landscape of music has changed in the club world. Bedrock has long been the leader of progressive house and beyond. Their sound is extraordinary.

But there are still more remixers out there that should give New Order a try - Fila Brazilla, Zero 7, Cut Chemist/DJ Shadow, Nathan Fake, Kruder & Dorfmeister. I would love to hear any of these incorporate their styles into a New Order track.