Sampled applause, truth or legend?

I've read in 3 or 4 places that NO useed to keep a keyfull of sampled stadium crowd on one of the emulators, and would play it to take the piss out of extremely dead audiences.

I've heard a few suspiciously loud cheers in tiny venues on bootlegs, but I wonder if anyone knows the actual truth.

I think it's an awesome idea :)

I'd think them brilliant if they had.

Steve Campbell wrote: I've read in 3 or 4 places that NO useed to keep a keyfull of sampled stadium crowd on one of the emulators, and would play it to take the piss out of extremely dead audiences.

I've heard a few suspiciously loud cheers in tiny venues on bootlegs, but I wonder if anyone knows the actual truth.

I think it's an awesome idea :)

Not all that true though Steve. Yes there is a sample of applause, you can hear it at the end of the 12" Perfect Kiss, and it has been used on occasion at the very climax of Perfect Kiss and Blue Monday. It hasn't been used at any gigs though to take the piss out of dead audiences - having 400+ recordings I think we would have heard it by now were that the case!

400 + i am issing about 20 then :(

read it in SOS or music technology(possibly in the same MT article that has the original track sheet for BM in it), along with a couple of less reputable places (like stupid "did you know" boxes in articles in non music publications).

As I said, I aint never heard it myself, other than, as you say, at the climax of TPK and BM, where it's practically part of the tune.

I mean if it WAS real, surely they'd have used it on PFD or that cambridge gig where they were enjoying themselves more than the audience :)

Well that's good, if it's decidedly a myth, then there's no problem with ME doing it :)

I think it's a fucking brilliant idea.

Probably the journo got all confused by a disc sitting there with "applause2 written on it.

Errr Al...I WAS only asking man :)

Digital Mike Binoche wrote: 400 + i am issing about 20 then :(

JD/NO Mike, and it's probably 420 or so altogether - obviously only about 175 of those occur during the years they were playing Perfect Kiss.

Steve Campbell wrote: read it in SOS or music technology(possibly in the same MT article that has the original track sheet for BM in it), along with a couple of less reputable places (like stupid "did you know" boxes in articles in non music publications).

As I said, I aint never heard it myself, other than, as you say, at the climax of TPK and BM, where it's practically part of the tune.

I mean if it WAS real, surely they'd have used it on PFD or that cambridge gig where they were enjoying themselves more than the audience :)

Well that's good, if it's decidedly a myth, then there's no problem with ME doing it :)

I think it's a fucking brilliant idea.

Probably the journo got all confused by a disc sitting there with "applause2 written on it.

Errr Al...I WAS only asking man :)

Interesting you mention PFD - the band came back on for a second encore (not captured on video) some twenty minutes after the first one. Unfortunately for the venue, security had dispersed, and there was nobody there to stop the chaos that ensued when they came back and started playing Sister Ray! All you can hear on the tape is about 2 mins of the song then a very abrupt halt with someone on stage (not the band) urging the crowd to get back in their seats or the band would go off. From what I've heard, that was the end of the night!

Really...wow. I mean from the way the tape is mixed, and from captain haircut's comments ("thanks very much, 'scost me an awful lot of money in guitar picks this, so I wish you'd errr applaude louder"...an all time classic), you'd assume they were playing to a waxworks.

I wonder what the gig anthology would look like converted to mp3 and burned to dvd. It WOULD be an all time dream to have all those, but there's no way it could be done with flac/wav and cd's......jesus, even if we organized a tree thing, you;re talking about the originator, which since you;ve openned your gob oh venerable superanuated simian, might be you, needing 420 discs, about 2 burners (cos they don't like back to back burning, you'll wear at least one out), and fucking DAYS of time...I'm in the process of reorganizing my random Dr Who downloads into some sort of order, and it's taking forever. Of course technicalities aside, there's the moral issue, those of you with several hundred bootlegs, have worked, sweated, bled and almost certainly frozen and starved at some point to obtain them, not to mention having to auction off various family members to fund the operation. I know first hand because from about 1986-1991 I amassed about 50 or so live tapes. Record fairs and markets were like SAS missions, in, look for NO gear and fook off. I even went to belfast a few times got off the train went to record fair, paid 3 quid to get in, bought the ONE tape I had money left for, and was back on the SAME train home. I'd rush in, fire the tape on, and basically fast forward through the gig, listening to the intro's and outro's and barney spotting, THEN and only then, listen to the music :) It's be bare faced disgusting cheek to expect anyone to even start handing that amount of work away. I suppose we can just keep watching for your posts on dimeadozen...for about the next 15 yrs:)

As I (and no doubt Mike, David Blacklock and others before and since) have learned the hard way, a load of the recordings aren't worth having unless you were there. They tell the tale of a band who weren't always inspired to produce a good show, a band who were seemingly perpetually struck down with technical problems in 1982, a band capabale of switching between the sublime and the ridiculous on two consecutive songs. You wouldn't believe the number of bum notes, entire songs in the wrong key, false starts, and performances so good they make you want to jump into the stereo.

If I was going to try and do some kind of annual analysis, I'd say:

1980 - nervous and muddy 1981 - starting nervous, then getting tight and professional, followed by end of year nervousness 1982 - the year the gear fell apart 1983 - the year of confident nonchalance 1984 - variety is the spice of life 1985 - exuberance, power 1986 - the peak 1987 - greatest hits 1988 - long sets 1989 - same old, two sets in daily rotation 1993 - same 12 every show without fail 1998 - unknown pleasures 2001 - sing if you're glad to be grey 2002 - happy days 2005 - we're lovin' it

oldmonkey wrote:

If I was going to try and do some kind of annual analysis, I'd say:

1980 - nervous and muddy 1981 - starting nervous, then getting tight and professional, followed by end of year nervousness 1982 - the year the gear fell apart 1983 - the year of confident nonchalance 1984 - variety is the spice of life 1985 - exuberance, power 1986 - the peak 1987 - greatest hits 1988 - long sets 1989 - same old, two sets in daily rotation 1993 - same 12 every show without fail 1998 - unknown pleasures 2001 - sing if you're glad to be grey 2002 - happy days 2005 - we're lovin' it

Getting back to the original post, the radio 1 road show uses recordings of audience noise and applause when crowds are small or just starting to arrive, i saw this at windermere in 1997, heard all this cheering and only saw about a dozen people walking their dogs complaining about the awful racket. I couldn't see any self respecting band to do it though,(this could rule out NO).

As for collections of live recordings, mine, which was not a very large collection at best, has mainly been chewed by shitty tape players, i think I've still got glasto 1981 and preston 1985, as stated above it does mean a lot more to you if you were there, the preston tape does bring a smile to my face every time i listen but now I'd have to find another tape player, one that hopefully wouldn't chew my tape.

chewed ones as far as i can remember are: glasto 1987 brazil (or somewhere like that, not too sure) around 1983-84 and a couple of unknown locations, around 1988 - 89

that's where all too many of mine have gone, I actually had ceaser's palace and barrowlands(85?) chewed so many times I became quite emotionally disturbed. Got em both in digital now thanks to the good folks here.

FWIW, I think it'd be doable in under 10 dvd's......it's just the 14 months of ripping and encoding that would be a minor inconvenience :)

But I take your point that many of them are tits unless you were there. The QUBelfast gig, is terrible, but it does feature a sterling performance from my countrymen during a couple of songs, so I loves it. In truth, most of us who are into boots have probably head most of the best....although I only heard that AMAZING Slough gig recently, likewise the clean recording of Irving Meadows.

I SO hope someone tapes the Apollo.

Someone will ;)

I will be using SAMPLED APPLAUSE when SHUGZV buys me a pint in MANCHESTER on the 14th for all the good deeds i have done for him recently.BTW SHUGS -the live tapes are now all in MINTY MINT tape boxes leaving my entire collection looking very DRAB.I also still have all those photos you didn't want the missus to see.Want em back mate?

Proof of the existence of a celtic man's wallet? Fookin hell, Nessie'll be readin the news tomorrow then :)

yes it is true i have heard about this years ago and the proof is at the end of the perfect kiss.

bondy wrote: yes it is true i have heard about this years ago and the proof is at the end of the perfect kiss.

we know it's on the end of Perfect Kiss! It isn't true that they used it to wake up dead audiences though, it happened every time they played that song!