I'M NEW TO NEW ORDER....WHERE SHOULD I START?

hi, ive only recently got into new order, and as you can imagine it was via classics such as "blue monday", "temptation" and "bizarre love triangle" ( i cannot think of any words to describe how good the latter is!) so, bearing this in mind, where should i start? cheers john

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if i was you i would start with the latest album and work your way back, all the way back, to unknown pleasures. if you do it the other way round you may find JD a bit too heavy to begin with. but well done for finding the best band in the world

you could start by getting totally pissed,playing technique and lowlife whilst coming on here and visiting the talk bollocks thread. but seriously maybe -- singles collection

Andrew Sayer wrote: By sharing some saucy photo's of Zoe Ball

i didnt spot that one at first

...and what delights await! :D

I'd love to be able to experience the discovery of JD/NO all over again...:)

bansheeman wrote: you could start by getting totally pissed,playing technique and lowlife whilst coming on here and visiting the talk bollocks thread. but seriously maybe -- singles collection

But seriously my arse, that't how most of the aged ones got into NO (OK and movement as well), good enough for me, good enough for anyone :)

Booze and volume every time.

Start with a compilation: either Singles or Substance. The best studio album is Technique.

start at the begining (movement) work yer way forward from that point,only the4n will u get what its all about.

Don't bother buying the singles collection first because it will end up being redundant in your collection when you eventually realise that you'll have to buy all their albums!

I'd recommend getting the albums in the following order.

Technique Substance Power Corruption and Lies Low-Life Brotherhood Get Ready and also search out all the b-sides from this period and 'Here To Stay' Movement (this, thier first album is underrated I think, but more Joy Division sounding than New Order, so be careful about when you get this). Republic and Waiting For The Sirens Call are their weakest studio albums IMHO, so leave them until you're really hooked because you'll find some gems in between the average songs.

Also get the two BBC CD's with the first Peel sessions and the Peel/Lamacq sessions done in 2001/2002. BBC live in concert is also pretty good.

In between getting all the official albums be sure to find the following singles/non-album tracks and rarities via the internet and various compilations. The US version of (the best of) New Order is good for this and maybe a good first compilation to get if you really must get a compilation.

Let's Go (Nothing For Me) Touched By The Hand of God World In Motion Cries and Whispers MTO, Best & Marsh, Don't Do It and The Happy One (all Technique era songs that were either b-sides or not officially released.

There's always more rarities to find and I'm still searching for a few, but believe me once you get into New Order you won't be able to help yourself!!

Happy discovering

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I wouldn't have been able to stomach and/or fall in love with New Order as I did if it wasn't for listening to Joy Division first. Might just be me though..

Here goes another suggestion...

I'd start with what I call the four essential albums:

Power, Corruption and Lies (1983) Low-life (1985) Brotherhood (1986) Technique (1989)

IMHO this their heyday. They were at their most creative and inspirational (as New Order) from 1983 to 1989. I'll go as far as saying that they were the best band in the world during this time. They have a plethora of essential singles during, before and after this period as well. They can all be found on Singles (2005), which just came out. It has all their singles (30 total) in chronological order from 1981 to 2005.

If you dig all that stuff, I'd go ahead and buy Get Ready (2001) and Waiting for the Sirens Call (2005). These are really good albums in their own right and have some great songs on them.

Then I'd get Substance (1987) which was a collection of all their 12" singles up to that point. All of these songs are on Singles (2005), but Substance (1987) will provide you with some great 12" versions (e.g. Theives Like Us, Ceremony, Everything's Gone Green, and Bizzare Love Triangle).

To complete your studio album collection, you'll need Movement (1981) and Republic (1993). These are argubly the weakest New Order albums, although they do have some great songs on them. Movement (1981) is kind of a transition album from Joy division to New Order. New Order sounded like they were trying to breaking out their shell and form an identity. They sounded quite unsure of themselves.

Republic (1993) was basically a dance album with maybe three classic New Order songs. Unfortunately, it was chock-full of mediocre filler songs. Also, you might notice some really lackluster production from Stephen Hague. IMHO he smoothed out New Order's sound way too much and essentially made them sound boring.

I'd round out your New Order collection with various live material, b-sides and rareities. When you get to this point I'd start another thread asking for this stuff. There will be plenty of Neworderonliners willing to give it to you.

After this I would get the following Joy Division albums:

Unknown Pleasure (1979) Closer (1980) Still (1981) Substance (1988)

The first two are their only studio albums. Still (1981) is a compilation of early and live material. Substance (1988) is another compilation comprised of their first EP, various singles and b-sides.

For the most part this pretty heavy stuff, sonically and lyrically. Once you really get into it, I'm sure you'll discover the tragic beauty of it all.

Happy Listening!!

And not forgeting all the live stuff you can get your hands on.Happy Discovering

Cool! It's nice to know people are getting into New Order (NO). Anyway, My suggestion is to buy the album closest in timeline to whatever song got you hooked on NO. Although still great, Get Ready sounds somewhat different from all their older stuff.

Anyways, that's how I got into NO. I eventually I went mad and bought all their albums and joy division's plus almost everything NO produced that I could get my hands on- especially their singles!

Later!

I would recommend the albums Power, Corruption and Lies, Low Life, Technique, Substance and Waiting for the Sirens' Call.

for once the anser is simple, Singles, and then hunt down the individual albums like Low Life, Technique, and Power Corruption & Lies.

It's tough to be objective after all these years, but I'd start with Low-Life, IMHO that's where New Order really came of age as a band. Then Technique which still sounds awesome. Follow up with Joy Division's Substance and you're ready for the whole JD/NO back catalogue.

If you really get into NO, I'd also recommend trying to get hold of some of the old vinyl albums/ 12" singles to really understand Peter Saville's role in the band's history. Find out WHY they lost money on every copy of Blue Monday. CD's just don't capture the original effect.

Start with a strong drink is my humble suggestion. The rest will follow.

Chuckles wrote: Here goes another suggestion...

I'd start with what I call the four essential albums:

Power, Corruption and Lies (1983) Low-life (1985) Brotherhood (1986) Technique (1989)

IMHO this their heyday. They were at their most creative and inspirational (as New Order) from 1983 to 1989. I'll go as far as saying that they were the best band in the world during this time. They have a plethora of essential singles during, before and after this period as well. They can all be found on Singles (2005), which just came out. It has all their singles (30 total) in chronological order from 1981 to 2005.

If you dig all that stuff, I'd go ahead and buy Get Ready (2001) and Waiting for the Sirens Call (2005). These are really good albums in their own right and have some great songs on them.

Then I'd get Substance (1987) which was a collection of all their 12" singles up to that point. All of these songs are on Singles (2005), but Substance (1987) will provide you with some great 12" versions (e.g. Theives Like Us, Ceremony, Everything's Gone Green, and Bizzare Love Triangle).

To complete your studio album collection, you'll need Movement (1981) and Republic (1993). These are argubly the weakest New Order albums, although they do have some great songs on them. Movement (1981) is kind of a transition album from Joy division to New Order. New Order sounded like they were trying to breaking out their shell and form an identity. They sounded quite unsure of themselves.

Republic (1993) was basically a dance album with maybe three classic New Order songs. Unfortunately, it was chock-full of mediocre filler songs. Also, you might notice some really lackluster production from Stephen Hague. IMHO he smoothed out New Order's sound way too much and essentially made them sound boring.

I'd round out your New Order collection with various live material, b-sides and rareities. When you get to this point I'd start another thread asking for this stuff. There will be plenty of Neworderonliners willing to give it to you.

After this I would get the following Joy Division albums:

Unknown Pleasure (1979) Closer (1980) Still (1981) Substance (1988)

The first two are their only studio albums. Still (1981) is a compilation of early and live material. Substance (1988) is another compilation comprised of their first EP, various singles and b-sides.

For the most part this pretty heavy stuff, sonically and lyrically. Once you really get into it, I'm sure you'll discover the tragic beauty of it all.

Happy Listening!!

I think this is the best advice you've been offered. Though given the New order and Joy Division back catalogue is all available quite cheaply. Why waste your time, just order it all now. Best £75-£100 you'll ever spend.

I'd say buy 'Singles'.

Then if you still like 'em buy Technique (NO) and Unknown Pleasures (JD).

If you like those three you should then buy all the NO and JD studio albums, then if you still want more buy the side project stuff... if you get that far then you have a definite obsession and before you know it you'll have a NOOL post count of 1,000+ and you may also end up on prescription medication...

Alistair wrote:

ChrissMari wrote: I wouldn't have been able to stomach and/or fall in love with New Order as I did if it wasn't for listening to Joy Division first.

You wouldn't have been able to stomach New Order without Joy Division first? Bit harsh! Surely one of the strengths of New Order's stuff is they set themselves apart from Joy Division so convincingly and managed to gather a new fanbase. Unlike these days of course where at least a quarter of the setlist is made up of JD tracks

It is a strength, that I couldn't appreciate until I really started to love Joy Division and tried New Order again. Then I saw (heard?) how they expanded on JD themes...

I hate the new setlist. I'd rather hear more older NO stuff than a bunch of JD crap. Though, I just watched the Apollo gig and have to say that Shadowplay wasn't the train wreck I thought it'd be.

Start with Blue Monday - It can only get better from there !

I'm of the opinion that NO pull off JD fantastically- And I'd be more than happy to see a 6:6 combination of JD:NO setlists...

In fact when Control (the film) comes out it'd be a good idea to release 'New Division'; an LP of JD tracks reworked by the remaining (and added) members...

'Isolation' on the 'In Session' LP is another great example of what such an album could produce.

aha, its good to see such a wealth of advice being offered! i was going to start with the brotherhood LP as thats where BLT is from, but ive heard mixed reviews of it. theres nothing like getting into a new band, especially when you realise you'll not be able to rest until youve heard everything!!! im going to have to start converting my mates now aswell!

ill let you all know how this musical journey goes.....:D

Yeah have fun! :D I'd go along with the others and say Singles, Technique and Waiting For The Sirens Call. You could look into getting the New Order Story (90's Documentary) and Collection (videos) on DVD as well. They come in a box set called Item too. Collection is great, the New Order Story has horrible voice-overs but is still pretty interesting for the interviews.

If you want to sample Joy Division try Substance (the JD one). I got into them after being a New Order fan and I loved them from the start! Heavier guitars and darker imagery than NO but still brilliant.

if you wanna good sampling of why New Order was the most superior creative force of the eighties, Substance is the place to go. It is the most representative of what the band does best: creating really intelligent, dark, sad, emotional, SinkYourTeethInto dance music. After youre hooked, then get the albums and hear the guitar stuff.

imo

People always talk about Barney being a crap singer and that he shouldn't sing JD tracks, but I can't think of too many NO songs that would haved suited Ian's voice, especially after Movement. I heard 'Ceremony' on Still first, but it was the NO version that really got me. Bernard's detached style was new to my ears.

Anyway, I had a haphazard way of getting into the albums. PCL was the fave for a long time. I bought Substance early on, but unfortunately subculture, state of the nation, and shellshock gave me the impression that Technique would follow in that vein. How I was so wrong! Technique is now the fave, but I'll still throw on Movement pretty frequently.

John Peel Sessions 81-82 and PCL are a fine place to start. The former has better versions of songs that appear on Movement, and that stage of the band is as important as the more synth-dominated work, despite what some may say.

DEFINITELY start with Singles first; your ears will tell you which ones you really like....from there track down which albums the songs came from and do it that way... In my humble opinion some of the albums apart from 1 or 2 tracks are crap - they're still in my garage after moving house 3/4 years ago and I've never replaced them on CD - that's how I judge how good an album is/was! Wait for the abuse to start from the die-hards.........

Originally I would have said Best of New Order, but Singles is now a fair rival. Best Of is the cheapest (short of downloading), least demanding way to get a preview of the cream of the band's frothiest output. Singles and Substance are more complete collections, but Singles is fairly long and Substance is a downright mammoth undertaking to listen to in entirety. Best Of not only gives you a share of the singles, but also some of the better album tracks as well. Also, it's the only place besides the Salvation OST where you'll be able to find any version of Let's Go.

Skip International, the only things worthwhile about it were the nice sleeve design and the inclusion of Here to Stay, which is now on Singles as well.

Cant really tell you where to satrt but one thing i can tell you is...... dont bother trying to collect all the promos,you will pay rediculous prices for them and they will probably sit at the back of a cupboard Ggathering dust and being unplayed for years on end! p.s dont bother looking for no promos on ebay either,there's aleays some greedy bastard waiting to rip you off for the sake of ,what is essentially a FREE CD,but am not a bitter man!

Hey just trying to help young no padowan!

was in hmv today..... picked up technique as it was nice 'n' cheap! so far so good.... it seems like a bit of a grower, round and round stands out instantly, what a song!

so whats the story with Ian Curtis' death? cheers for all the advice! j8b

No one really knows precisley why, except Ian. He watched a movie, and stuck a rope round his neck. That's probably all anyone can sy with total certainty.

Technique rules BTW, especially if you like the electronic side of their stuff (the rocky stuff on technique's very gentle as you probably noticed).

Although many have suggested beer, no one seems to have sugessted the OTHER most important shoe-in to New Order.

Get your heart broke!

When your feelings are in tatters, then you'll see they can become a lifelong addiction.

Helps if yer 15 like :)

Nice to find someone else who loves BLT, I get abuse for it been my fave.

Although secondary - I think to get the full experience, aswell as just listening to their back catalogue find out about the fascinating story of JD / NO and the unique beauty of their record covers etc - DVDs of New Order Story and 24 Hour Pary People would assist.

Ness Order wrote: Nice to find someone else who loves BLT, I get abuse for it been my fave.

The blonde with the drumstick cites this as her favourite NO choon. Must be a girly thing. :D

Johnny, listen to these two albums and life will never be the same again. Power, Corruption and Lies Low Life

johnny8ball wrote: was in hmv today..... picked up technique as it was nice 'n' cheap! so far so good.... it seems like a bit of a grower, round and round stands out instantly, what a song!

so whats the story with Ian Curtis' death? cheers for all the advice! j8b

If you like 'Round And Round' try to get hold of the CD single releases as they are superb, look again in HMV or Virgin Megastores and if they have ANY of the studio albums mentioned in this thread going cheap buy them, you will not be disappointed.

im from manc and what you should do is have grown up around here....go back in time go to the hac on a tuesday and u would just have it in your blood by now.the hacienda was amazing man!i disagree with some people about this topic i personally think that joy division are better than new order they sound quite punky with attitude better than the sex pistols but if your on a more dancey vibe get the album get ready and then work your way back to joy divison...get joy division substance and watch 24hr party people to get a sense of the vibe their feeling and where they are coming from by surroundings all artists are influenced by their surroundings and this city is so gritty and is certainly great for inspiration! i hope all of the above didnt sound too patronising.ive been into jd/no for years now and its really cool that nine inch nails did a cover of dead souls its a joy division track thats on substance its mint and the nin version is cool too thats on the crow movie soundtrack....phew

dude also get the graphic art book of peter saville he has done their art work for years he's been a real inspiration for many artists like moi and i went to see his exhibition back home in manc in the urbis it was great and durutti column played too!but his artwork really does match the music...he's greeeaaat!it helps to give the music another identity for people to recognise them this is so important!

Start at the end.......Waiting for the sirens call (current), then skip back to 86 Brotherhood (classic heyday), then end at the start,Movement (1st still finding their way album), then just fill in the gaps or maybe get singles or substance first, Joy Division can be a bit of a shock at first but they certainly Rock....

Well, what's your decision, Johnny ? Ready to go on with Joy Division ? I hope so.

Whatever it is, glad to meet you here...