I'M NEW TO NEW ORDER....WHERE SHOULD I START?

hi, ive only recently got into new order, and as you can imagine it was via classics such as "blue monday", "temptation" and "bizarre love triangle" ( i cannot think of any words to describe how good the latter is!) so, bearing this in mind, where should i start? cheers john

By sharing some saucy photo's of Zoe Ball

if i was you i would start with the latest album and work your way back, all the way back, to unknown pleasures. if you do it the other way round you may find JD a bit too heavy to begin with. but well done for finding the best band in the world

you could start by getting totally pissed,playing technique and lowlife whilst coming on here and visiting the talk bollocks thread. but seriously maybe -- singles collection

Andrew Sayer wrote: By sharing some saucy photo's of Zoe Ball

i didnt spot that one at first

...and what delights await! :D

I'd love to be able to experience the discovery of JD/NO all over again...:)

bansheeman wrote: you could start by getting totally pissed,playing technique and lowlife whilst coming on here and visiting the talk bollocks thread. but seriously maybe -- singles collection

But seriously my arse, that't how most of the aged ones got into NO (OK and movement as well), good enough for me, good enough for anyone :)

Booze and volume every time.

Start with a compilation: either Singles or Substance. The best studio album is Technique.

start at the begining (movement) work yer way forward from that point,only the4n will u get what its all about.

Don't bother buying the singles collection first because it will end up being redundant in your collection when you eventually realise that you'll have to buy all their albums!

I'd recommend getting the albums in the following order.

Technique Substance Power Corruption and Lies Low-Life Brotherhood Get Ready and also search out all the b-sides from this period and 'Here To Stay' Movement (this, thier first album is underrated I think, but more Joy Division sounding than New Order, so be careful about when you get this). Republic and Waiting For The Sirens Call are their weakest studio albums IMHO, so leave them until you're really hooked because you'll find some gems in between the average songs.

Also get the two BBC CD's with the first Peel sessions and the Peel/Lamacq sessions done in 2001/2002. BBC live in concert is also pretty good.

In between getting all the official albums be sure to find the following singles/non-album tracks and rarities via the internet and various compilations. The US version of (the best of) New Order is good for this and maybe a good first compilation to get if you really must get a compilation.

Let's Go (Nothing For Me) Touched By The Hand of God World In Motion Cries and Whispers MTO, Best & Marsh, Don't Do It and The Happy One (all Technique era songs that were either b-sides or not officially released.

There's always more rarities to find and I'm still searching for a few, but believe me once you get into New Order you won't be able to help yourself!!

Happy discovering

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I wouldn't have been able to stomach and/or fall in love with New Order as I did if it wasn't for listening to Joy Division first. Might just be me though..

Here goes another suggestion...

I'd start with what I call the four essential albums:

Power, Corruption and Lies (1983) Low-life (1985) Brotherhood (1986) Technique (1989)

IMHO this their heyday. They were at their most creative and inspirational (as New Order) from 1983 to 1989. I'll go as far as saying that they were the best band in the world during this time. They have a plethora of essential singles during, before and after this period as well. They can all be found on Singles (2005), which just came out. It has all their singles (30 total) in chronological order from 1981 to 2005.

If you dig all that stuff, I'd go ahead and buy Get Ready (2001) and Waiting for the Sirens Call (2005). These are really good albums in their own right and have some great songs on them.

Then I'd get Substance (1987) which was a collection of all their 12" singles up to that point. All of these songs are on Singles (2005), but Substance (1987) will provide you with some great 12" versions (e.g. Theives Like Us, Ceremony, Everything's Gone Green, and Bizzare Love Triangle).

To complete your studio album collection, you'll need Movement (1981) and Republic (1993). These are argubly the weakest New Order albums, although they do have some great songs on them. Movement (1981) is kind of a transition album from Joy division to New Order. New Order sounded like they were trying to breaking out their shell and form an identity. They sounded quite unsure of themselves.

Republic (1993) was basically a dance album with maybe three classic New Order songs. Unfortunately, it was chock-full of mediocre filler songs. Also, you might notice some really lackluster production from Stephen Hague. IMHO he smoothed out New Order's sound way too much and essentially made them sound boring.

I'd round out your New Order collection with various live material, b-sides and rareities. When you get to this point I'd start another thread asking for this stuff. There will be plenty of Neworderonliners willing to give it to you.

After this I would get the following Joy Division albums:

Unknown Pleasure (1979) Closer (1980) Still (1981) Substance (1988)

The first two are their only studio albums. Still (1981) is a compilation of early and live material. Substance (1988) is another compilation comprised of their first EP, various singles and b-sides.

For the most part this pretty heavy stuff, sonically and lyrically. Once you really get into it, I'm sure you'll discover the tragic beauty of it all.

Happy Listening!!

And not forgeting all the live stuff you can get your hands on.Happy Discovering

Cool! It's nice to know people are getting into New Order (NO). Anyway, My suggestion is to buy the album closest in timeline to whatever song got you hooked on NO. Although still great, Get Ready sounds somewhat different from all their older stuff.

Anyways, that's how I got into NO. I eventually I went mad and bought all their albums and joy division's plus almost everything NO produced that I could get my hands on- especially their singles!

Later!

I would recommend the albums Power, Corruption and Lies, Low Life, Technique, Substance and Waiting for the Sirens' Call.

for once the anser is simple, Singles, and then hunt down the individual albums like Low Life, Technique, and Power Corruption & Lies.

It's tough to be objective after all these years, but I'd start with Low-Life, IMHO that's where New Order really came of age as a band. Then Technique which still sounds awesome. Follow up with Joy Division's Substance and you're ready for the whole JD/NO back catalogue.

If you really get into NO, I'd also recommend trying to get hold of some of the old vinyl albums/ 12" singles to really understand Peter Saville's role in the band's history. Find out WHY they lost money on every copy of Blue Monday. CD's just don't capture the original effect.

Start with a strong drink is my humble suggestion. The rest will follow.

Chuckles wrote: Here goes another suggestion...

I'd start with what I call the four essential albums:

Power, Corruption and Lies (1983) Low-life (1985) Brotherhood (1986) Technique (1989)

IMHO this their heyday. They were at their most creative and inspirational (as New Order) from 1983 to 1989. I'll go as far as saying that they were the best band in the world during this time. They have a plethora of essential singles during, before and after this period as well. They can all be found on Singles (2005), which just came out. It has all their singles (30 total) in chronological order from 1981 to 2005.

If you dig all that stuff, I'd go ahead and buy Get Ready (2001) and Waiting for the Sirens Call (2005). These are really good albums in their own right and have some great songs on them.

Then I'd get Substance (1987) which was a collection of all their 12" singles up to that point. All of these songs are on Singles (2005), but Substance (1987) will provide you with some great 12" versions (e.g. Theives Like Us, Ceremony, Everything's Gone Green, and Bizzare Love Triangle).

To complete your studio album collection, you'll need Movement (1981) and Republic (1993). These are argubly the weakest New Order albums, although they do have some great songs on them. Movement (1981) is kind of a transition album from Joy division to New Order. New Order sounded like they were trying to breaking out their shell and form an identity. They sounded quite unsure of themselves.

Republic (1993) was basically a dance album with maybe three classic New Order songs. Unfortunately, it was chock-full of mediocre filler songs. Also, you might notice some really lackluster production from Stephen Hague. IMHO he smoothed out New Order's sound way too much and essentially made them sound boring.

I'd round out your New Order collection with various live material, b-sides and rareities. When you get to this point I'd start another thread asking for this stuff. There will be plenty of Neworderonliners willing to give it to you.

After this I would get the following Joy Division albums:

Unknown Pleasure (1979) Closer (1980) Still (1981) Substance (1988)

The first two are their only studio albums. Still (1981) is a compilation of early and live material. Substance (1988) is another compilation comprised of their first EP, various singles and b-sides.

For the most part this pretty heavy stuff, sonically and lyrically. Once you really get into it, I'm sure you'll discover the tragic beauty of it all.

Happy Listening!!

I think this is the best advice you've been offered. Though given the New order and Joy Division back catalogue is all available quite cheaply. Why waste your time, just order it all now. Best £75-£100 you'll ever spend.

I'd say buy 'Singles'.

Then if you still like 'em buy Technique (NO) and Unknown Pleasures (JD).

If you like those three you should then buy all the NO and JD studio albums, then if you still want more buy the side project stuff... if you get that far then you have a definite obsession and before you know it you'll have a NOOL post count of 1,000+ and you may also end up on prescription medication...

Alistair wrote:

ChrissMari wrote: I wouldn't have been able to stomach and/or fall in love with New Order as I did if it wasn't for listening to Joy Division first.

You wouldn't have been able to stomach New Order without Joy Division first? Bit harsh! Surely one of the strengths of New Order's stuff is they set themselves apart from Joy Division so convincingly and managed to gather a new fanbase. Unlike these days of course where at least a quarter of the setlist is made up of JD tracks

It is a strength, that I couldn't appreciate until I really started to love Joy Division and tried New Order again. Then I saw (heard?) how they expanded on JD themes...

I hate the new setlist. I'd rather hear more older NO stuff than a bunch of JD crap. Though, I just watched the Apollo gig and have to say that Shadowplay wasn't the train wreck I thought it'd be.

Start with Blue Monday - It can only get better from there !

I'm of the opinion that NO pull off JD fantastically- And I'd be more than happy to see a 6:6 combination of JD:NO setlists...

In fact when Control (the film) comes out it'd be a good idea to release 'New Division'; an LP of JD tracks reworked by the remaining (and added) members...

'Isolation' on the 'In Session' LP is another great example of what such an album could produce.

aha, its good to see such a wealth of advice being offered! i was going to start with the brotherhood LP as thats where BLT is from, but ive heard mixed reviews of it. theres nothing like getting into a new band, especially when you realise you'll not be able to rest until youve heard everything!!! im going to have to start converting my mates now aswell!

ill let you all know how this musical journey goes.....:D

Yeah have fun! :D I'd go along with the others and say Singles, Technique and Waiting For The Sirens Call. You could look into getting the New Order Story (90's Documentary) and Collection (videos) on DVD as well. They come in a box set called Item too. Collection is great, the New Order Story has horrible voice-overs but is still pretty interesting for the interviews.

If you want to sample Joy Division try Substance (the JD one). I got into them after being a New Order fan and I loved them from the start! Heavier guitars and darker imagery than NO but still brilliant.