Grammy Awards

Did anyone happen to notice that New Order were nominated for a Grammy? They are nominated for Best Dance Recording for Guilt is a Useless Emotion.

bob

Didn't know this...

Even more of a bloody waste that there was no hardcopy release!

Found a link;

http://www.grammy.com/news/academy/2005/1208_nominees.aspx

Text:

" Best Dance Recording nods were claimed by the Chemical Brothers featuring Q-Tip for "Galvanize"; Deep Dish for "Say Hello"; Fatboy Slim & Lateef for "Wonderful Night"; LCD Soundsystem for "Daft Punk Is Playing At My House"; Kylie Minogue for "I Believe In You"; and New Order for "Guilt Is A Useless Emotion." For Best Electronic/Dance Album, the nominations are Push The Button (the Chemical Brothers), Human After All (Daft Punk), Palookaville (Fatboy Slim), Minimum-Maximum (Kraftwerk), and LCD Soundsystem (LCD Soundsystem). "

Well fcuk me.

How did they work that one out?

Amazing!

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Nice one New Order!

Surely they'll be the dark horse amongst that lot.

Didn't the Chems win one before, for Best Rock Instrumental or something similarly daft?

Makes you wonder which came first at Warners. The release of the single or wind of the Grammy nomination.

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Spotnick wrote: OMG!

Is that their first Grammy nomination? I think so...

A little ironic isn't it?

After all the gold over the years and they finally scoop a nomination for, erm, GIAUE. They haven't had the dance category around for that many years, mind.

You wonder if this is the kind of nomination you get when you've had a great career but never been recognised by the Recording Academy before... Guilt?

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This is VERY interesting.

I really wonder what made the Grammy heads take notice of New order this year... Why now?

Although the Grammies are a hack, it's nice to see them actually acknowledge EDM in its foray of commercial nods to the music industry. Kraftwerk is nominated too? Brilliant. This should raise their credibility somewhat...

"and I'm not, and I'm not, and I'm not being facetious"

Spotnick wrote: Well, I have no idea if this will help anything, or how the nominees are selected (there sure is a lot of Brits on there...) but that might actually help to have a proper CD release...

The thought crossed my mind too!

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They better give that bitch to New Order, man. All those other tracks bite the big one - the most trendsetting, illest track on that list is GIAUE - please don't buy into the LCD Soundsystem hype. All the hipsters in Jacksonville, FL think they are the bomb. Fu**in' hipsters.

Finally, they got nominated for a Grammy! I hope they win. NO has been in existence for over 25 years. Let's hope their Godlike Genius earns them a victory! :D

A win would be fantastic!

If they win it would surely be the first grammy-winning single you couldn't get in the shops?

:\ohwell: :) i'm a bit shocked!

Al Jarvis wrote: Blimey!

Bet I'm the only one thinking it's by far the WORST of those tracks listed though. :evil:

I dunno, you've got Kylie and Fatboy in there!

I can't get my head around how it got nominated. Not like it's their strongest work. Did Warners shmooze the right industry execs then rush out the US DMD so it would qualify?

Incidentally, last year's winner in this category: Britney Spears "Toxic".

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Robert Dawson wrote: Did anyone happen to notice that New Order were nominated for a Grammy? They are nominated for Best Dance Recording for Guilt is a Useless Emotion.

bob

Hi Bob, I noticed it's your first post. Are you from the Grammy Commettee? If that's the case, very nice of you to inform us :)

P.S. Help them to win, man.

Does anybody know if GIAUE has charted in the Billboard Club Play chart? My local paper prints the Top 10 every week but I wondered if they've made it into the lower 40 positions.

Please let me know somebody. Thanks :)

almost as great when Metallica was nominated in the inaugural heavy metal category and Jethro Tull won the award instead.

Hmmm...

I reckon the nomination is a token acknowledgement for a career of dance music, perhaps.

My money is on 'Galvanise'

Alright! Thanks for the link. :)

Can i be the first to say, If you get offered any tickets Nicos - I'm your man

I'm a bit dissapointed they've been nominated for a grammie. The grammies are a joke. They don't nominate the best records, but the most politically acceptable ones so the recording industry can have a big publicity-fest. If you look at the grammy winners over the years it's a long list of mediocrity that with hindsight is almost comical.

It is ironic though, after almost 30 years of being one of the most critically acclaimed bands in the world they get a token grammy nod for one of their most throwaway tracks. They actually have a chance of winning though, the competition isn't too stiff.

I'd like to see them win if for no other reason so they can get up on stage and say something lippy!

Hi Bob, I noticed it's your first post. Are you from the Grammy Commettee? If that's the case, very nice of you to inform us :)

P.S. Help them to win, man.

Nah, I'm just a long-time NO fan and long-time and lazy Ceremony and NOOL member. I was just surprised that it wasn't on the front page when I started up Firefox. I figured something must be amiss so posted it myself.

I'm kinda happy about it. Doubt they'll win though. It does seem like one of those "oh we've passed you over for decades, let's throw you a bone" nominations.

bob

Hello everyone,

About time i say. Even if it's not their best record it does not matter. Someone obviously thinks it is ( a worthy nomination) and if it gets them an award, then that's all that matters.

Think of it as recognition for all the songs that have never been nominated, but that should have.

Landon Bradley wrote: I'm a bit dissapointed they've been nominated for a grammie. The grammies are a joke. They don't nominate the best records, but the most politically acceptable ones so the recording industry can have a big publicity-fest. If you look at the grammy winners over the years it's a long list of mediocrity that with hindsight is almost comical.

Hopefully I'm not being too cynical...but aren't these award shows often used as publicity tools etc. Warner's probably knew that most of the voters (I believe that they are mostly music industry insiders right) would recognize the NO name and that they might have a chance at winning. I have to believe that Warner's has some influence over who gets nominated etc...and while they can't control it they can certainly make a pitch to the nominators.

Warner's wants to get as much mileage out of the investment that they have already made (WFTSC, Remixes and the tracks for the next album) so keeping NO's name out and about makes sense.

Also, this would let them put a sticker on reissues of WFTSC or a single that said "grammy nominated/grammy winning" that would help in marketing. Plus a grammy would let them pitch the next album as "grammy nominated/grammy winning" artist New Order etc...

The lifetime acheivement/godlike genius type of awards are also pretty much industry/record label controlled as well...they usually have to have some merit but its not an accident that NO won awards right around when WFTSC was being released and marketed.

Re: Grammies, Milli Vanilli anyone? Enough said.

Ilove giaue but my vote for best out of that lot goes to GALVENISE

silliest news i've heard all day! why that song? why now? why not J-E-T?

Robert Dawson wrote: Did anyone happen to notice that New Order were nominated for a Grammy? They are nominated for Best Dance Recording for Guilt is a Useless Emotion.

bob

I'm delighted that they're at least nominated...but aren't these awards pretty biased in terms of whatever is "mainstream"? Judging by the poor taste of the US mainstream media...it'd take a miracle for New Order to win. I think New Order are talented and they deserve recognition, but it's just there's too many crappy, talentless, "I-can't sing-a-damn-tune-but-I-can-wiggle-my-butt-good" people in the "mainstream" media...and those "mainstream" people would probably win instead of the people who deserve to win...

Eric Wang wrote: almost as great when Metallica was nominated in the inaugural heavy metal category and Jethro Tull won the award instead.

.....or when A Taste Of Honey won Best New Artist over Elvis Costello..

Can't stand that Fatboy track myself, one of the worst things I've heard all year.

i love GIAUE myself, but i pay no mind to the grammys. do they even broadcast the dance music award on television?

Spotnick wrote: I've always been puzzled how come many bands I like never got any trophy at the Grammies.. I'm not even sure Depeche Mode, who were quite big in the USA, won anything out there...

If the dance category had been around for the past twenty years, the likes of NO would've probably won already.

It just took that long for the US music establishment to recognise there was life outside of rock, R&B, C&W, etc.

The Chemical Brothers helped rock that boat with several nominations and a win for Block Rockin Beats (Best Rock Instrumental 1997).

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AgentWood wrote: i love GIAUE myself, but i pay no mind to the grammys. do they even broadcast the dance music award on television?

Only when Britney wins it.

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Guys, the Grammys are absolutely lame. It is an insult to be nominated.

These people nominate one of two groups to major categories: the year's big sellers, and old jurassic "legends."

They SURELY don't know about dance music. What the hell is "dance" music? I can dance to anything. One of the albums nominate for Best Dance Album is Human After All.

Isn't it pretty much universally acknowledged that Human After All is the biggest piece of shit in years? Colossal crap. Tremendous turd.

OMG OMG I HOPE MARIAH WINZ SHE'S SO FIERCE AND TALENTED AND UNIQUE..... BEST ALBUM OF THE YEAR BEST BEST BEST!

AgentWood wrote: i love GIAUE myself, but i pay no mind to the grammys. do they even broadcast the dance music award on television?

Hopefully the 'MTV Dance' channel will give it some nods... If this had been released properly they could promote Guilt with it's non-existent video...

CAHRM ON! Release the F**ker properly!!!!!!!!!!!1

i haven't taken any awards shows seriously nor watched them for some years, although should my favoirte band make an appearance.... but then i' have to sit through all that hip hop. then again what is mtv europe doing on my telly now.

against the odds i hope they win. i like the song.

The Grammy's is NOT, nor has it ever been, a credible entity. It has always been a masturbatory pop-elite annual lame-assed party. They occassionally pull in rock and pop 'outsiders' to somehow lend credibility to thier proceedings, but it rarely holds forth. It is most often just a showcase for the artists that have sold about a billion copies during that particular year....and it is almost always all about the 'AdultContemporary' market...

If it DID have credibility, we all know that TrueFaith, Regret, or Crystal would have pulled in a nod, and BlueMonday would have pulled in a life acheivement award for itself....It has had a longer shelf life than even any of those JackoThriller songs.

How 'Guilt' got a nod is a true mystery....if this is a 'career recognition' nod, then why not Krafty? Mind you, I LOVE Guilt, and I am tickled to freaking death that this nomination has occured.

Why does this nomination please me? Validation...it will allow for SALES to rise in the US, thereby increasing the band's visibilty to the persons around me, thereby validating my obsession with the band.

We should take note, this would be a very good time for the boys to get their butts into the studio to spit-shine those leftovers for the next album, including all singles and remixes.....take advantage of this awareness..it will wear off quickly.

AND...congrats boys...it's long overdue.

jd

i am with jd on this one.

it seems that with No at this stage in the career, 'validation' or nods from the music industry voters in the US might be a catalyst for the record company to pay more attention to the band in light of the past decade where promotion, availablity of product, releasing of remixes has been slightly lower on their priority schedule. it seems that Warner is marketing DM and New order almost identically as retro bands and banking on their catalogue in order to push sales. since 'DM has never been nominated in these high profile awards, maybe this will push New order from a "C" priority into a higher level and we could possibly see/hear more from the band as a result.

as lame as the grammies are, this is still a step in an interesting direction. no harm can come from this exposure and even if they don't win, for whatever reason they decided to nominate them 'now' for "guilt" is beyond me, but being professionals at their own game, i hardly think this would fill their heads. if anything, they are probably giggling at the fact at being invited to attend the ceremony. would love to see hooky hammered on the red carpet walking arm in arm with gwen stefani, with stephen and gillian pushing their offspring chewing on a mars bar while 'blue monday' spills from the speakers outside the ceremonies venue. godlike, indeed.

fyi...It should be noted that Depeche Mode and Madonna's albums came out too late for the material to qualify...

I just have one question: Do you think New Order are going to go to the grammys?

Sorry to say this, but Kylie Minogue is going to win. She has the breast cancer issue. And because of that they will vote for her. (But I do wish her well.)

And tell me if I'm wrong, but didnt Britney Spears "Toxic" win that award last year? and yes it was on tv.

maybe next year DM will get their nod....

again, not that it matters

What are you talking about? The last Brits award I saw New order were all over it. Namecheck from Gwen Strefani, 'covered' somewhat by Robbie Williams and they won an award for something, I don't remember.

It usually seems that the Grammy's are catered toward American acts than British, unless it's an act like the Spice Girls. I've watched the awards a few times in years' past, mostly when bands I liked were nominated, and it's dominated by American acts. Back in 1997, I do recall the Spice Girls were nominated for something or other and Kylie Minogue pops up here and there. Americans, however, do seem to take these awards seriously. I remember when I was in high school, my mother asked me if I liked Dave Matthews. I told her that his music was absolutely boring. She said, "He won a Grammy for something. He mustn't be that bad." Just goes to show what kind of cack is getting nominated for awards over here.

Fuck the Grammys. But I hope The Order wins. Occasionally they get it right, for example when Tool won for best performance (Aeonawhawawawa sp). But look how often they get it wrong. George Micheal winning best R&B artist, like Flava Flave said "Rong Branch." Or the year the Police won for best instrumental for the worst song on Zenyatta Mondatta, Behind My Camel, when The Other Way of Stopping was a clearly better track but did not get the nomination.

Anyone catch Kayne West's Grammy rant? "I'm $60k in the hole for this lp I had better win."

First thing re. NO's nomination for the Grammys; Fooking not before time that's for sure- in actuality they should have had a nomination back in 1987 for the original version of True Faith!! Be that as it may, I hope they still win it for Guilt though- about time you Yank record exec bastards caught up with reality!!(BTW- if it does, I hope it means an immediate worldwide CD release of the rare-as-rockinghorseshit collection of remixes a lot of us have or are already facing paying through the nose for via Ebay).

For what it's worth Stuart Price is also nominated in the remixed recording category, but the Grammy site refers to him as Jacques Lu Cont, remixer for The Killer's "Mr. Brightside (Jacques Lu Cont's Thin White Duke Mix)". He's a hard man to keep track of apparently. Hears hoping that NO get the award (not that they'll go)...

New Order up for a grammy for this? The mind boggles. :bag:

I think it's funny that at least 3/5 of the other nominees would be embarassed to win against New Order... The Chems and Fatboy are students of NO, and Kylie borrowed Blue Monday and then NO borrowed her back.

I can't see LCD Soundsystem winning and I've never heard of Deep Dish.

What I don't get is Jetstream had a far larger presence here in America than GIAUE -- it's so curious that maybe they're there to win.

In the end, I am so proud to be a New Order fan these days... caught a great show in Chicago this summer, WFTSC is a fantastic record, and they're gigging for some very worthy causes. I'm happy to see 'em get love from anyone.

Deep Dish are a major force in club music, for a couple years now. they released a great album this year. Theyve been doing very popular house remixes for years now.

this song, Flashdance, was tops on Club charts worldwide, and seemed to hang around for at least the first half of this year. The followup song, Say Hello, is WONDERFUl and topped the charts this summer. The new single is also doing well..its called Sacramento, and features none other than Rich Morel on Vocals.

Spotnick wrote: Believe it or not, it's one of the only thing Warner Bros Records will have to promote... beside country music and a dance compilation...

So this means New Order have the mighty giant of AOL Time Warner behind them for this

And yes, believe it or not, it's their first ever Grammy nomination...

Warner Brothers is no longer part of AOL. The music division of AOL Time Warner, now known as Warner Music Group (WMG), was sold off in late 2003 for $2.6 billion.

Spotnick wrote: 2001 - Michael Mangini, Steve Greenberg (producers & mixers) & Baha Men for "Who Let the Dogs Out"

Surely this crushes the life out of any credibility arguments for this category.

Still. Bet most of us hope they win.

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this is getting pretty funny, picking apart which songs do or dont deserve to be nominated....

THIS IS THE GRAMMY'S....it is not about deservedness, nor has it EVER EVER EVER been about deservedness. Im an old fucker...I've been watching, or deliberately NOT watching, this show since the early seventies.....it has no meaning in the world of MUSIC THAT IS ACTUALLY GOOD!

The fact that Guilt got pulled into the foray is a total mystery and more than likely has to do with Wanrners paying off the right person....which in itself would be inexplicable since Krafty or Jetstream would be more likely choices for this sort of show....Guilt hasnt even had the chance to get into the American psyche yet....just goes to show how hokey the Grammy process IS.

C'mon, even the King of Rock'n'Roll didn't get any Grammys in pop music category. He did received only two Grammys and that's in Gospel music category.

Bonzette wrote: Hello everyone,

About time i say. Even if it's not their best record it does not matter. Someone obviously thinks it is ( a worthy nomination) and if it gets them an award, then that's all that matters.

Think of it as recognition for all the songs that have never been nominated, but that should have.

Quite right. I really couldn't care less if they won a grammy for "The sound of a dog having a turd". The fact is for 25/30 years they have shown the music world the light,and they deserve any bleedin' award thrown at them

Now for another number one (Elton waited 14 years after "Don't go breaking my heart"). And I really couldn't give a shite if it was "Dracula's Castle"

Is'nt that where he's getting married?

Just give them the fukkin award!!

They deserve it.

Guilt is a briliant track which can be played your local bar or a major club.

Maybe now we can get some 12"s released!!

((((e))))

I thought you guys new some stuff.... If my memory serves me right, they won a grammy for "best video" with True Faith 1987, and were also nominated in the same category with Regret 1993. And they were robbed blind that time. If there´s any other questions, ask the Oracle.

Toby wrote: I thought you guys new some stuff.... If my memory serves me right, they won a grammy for "best video" with True Faith 1987, and were also nominated in the same category with Regret 1993. And they were robbed blind that time. If there´s any other questions, ask the Oracle.

No, they've never won a Grammy. At least as far as the Grammy.com search engine is concerned, and a few music books I've read. Regret made it onto a lot of charts, and TPK and TF as videos were put on some organization's "Top 100" lists, but no actual award to go with that praise, as of yet.

George Michael did however name NO as one of his fave bands with a fave song and album out they he gave a nod to in an interview with Rolling Stone in 88'; they were "True Faith" and "Substance", respectively.

Toby wrote: I thought you guys new some stuff.... If my memory serves me right, they won a grammy for "best video" with True Faith 1987, and were also nominated in the same category with Regret 1993. And they were robbed blind that time. If there´s any other questions, ask the Oracle.

The Best Video award for True Faith was at the Brit Awards in 1987.

Shergold Six wrote:

Toby wrote: I thought you guys new some stuff.... If my memory serves me right, they won a grammy for "best video" with True Faith 1987, and were also nominated in the same category with Regret 1993. And they were robbed blind that time. If there´s any other questions, ask the Oracle.

The Best Video award for True Faith was at the Brit Awards in 1987.

correct me if i'm wrong. weren't they called the BPI awards then, and wasn't True Faith mislabled True Face.

I stand corrected, I was thinking that the "brit awards" was just a pommy name for "grammy awards". Apparently not. Anyway It´s about bloody time they get nominated and win. No band deserves it more.

merry christmas

Ronald Kirsch wrote:

Shergold Six wrote:

Toby wrote: I thought you guys new some stuff.... If my memory serves me right, they won a grammy for "best video" with True Faith 1987, and were also nominated in the same category with Regret 1993. And they were robbed blind that time. If there´s any other questions, ask the Oracle.

The Best Video award for True Faith was at the Brit Awards in 1987.

correct me if i'm wrong. weren't they called the BPI awards then, and wasn't True Faith mislabled True Face.

Oops, absolutely right Ron. Didn't hear the bit about about True Face though.

This blue-eyed boy that wants to be wrote: It usually seems that the Grammy's are catered toward American acts than British, unless it's an act like the Spice Girls.

Totally right... I now live in Orlando, Florida... and I have lost interest in grammy awards for a long time already.. I prefer to listen to BBC 2 radio (on line) than local radio stations... I have to say that uk/european music is FAR better than US. ( well.. english spoken music).. cheers!

coro71 wrote:

This blue-eyed boy that wants to be wrote: It usually seems that the Grammy's are catered toward American acts than British, unless it's an act like the Spice Girls.

Totally right... I now live in Orlando, Florida... and I have lost interest in grammy awards for a long time already.. I prefer to listen to BBC 2 radio (on line) than local radio stations... I have to say that uk/european music is FAR better than US. ( well.. english spoken music).. cheers!

I agree with you when you say that UK/European music beats US music.

Well congrats to NO, but I think The Chem Bros will win...

Do you think they'll even go to the ceremony? They might not in the old days but they probably will now. This is going to sound stupid but it'd be great if they won and they weren't there.

yeah, thats my hope as well........win the fucker but let Gwen or somebody ridiculous accept the award for them.....

I think us noolers will have a good time with that...imo