Your obscure NO fave? and WHY?

For me 'Ruined in a Day'

Heard on the album and thought..pah!

That day at Reading. Sunny day, head full of magic stuff. It blew me away.

Loved it with a passion ever since.

"Listen, I may be wrong, but you'll listen"

Definately "Temptation". Especially around the verse "And I've never seen anyone quite like you before No, I've never met anyone quite like you before" Hooke's bass line and Bernard's vocals are so great on this.

JHC

lonesome tonight. its a great song. everytime i play it i think to myslelf that i should really play it more often. one of those thrown away b-sides that could have easily been a single in its own right. i do also like the bit where Barney clears his throat.

errrr, hardly different those ones chaps?

I mean a NO song that is generally thought of as shite, but has a special meaning for yourself?

Temptation hardly falls into that category..

unless you eat knobcheese for breakfast

ok that subculture 12#. it was teh first new order i bought, i thought it was just sooo cool. i still like it, no matter what everybody else here thinks of it.

Some day- you'll find- that-truth-is-never-kind

If the Happy One counts as obscure, then that'd be mine. Band may hate it, but I love it. It makes me happy. Can't be sad hearing it. Jangles me up. Great wake up music.

Well, I like Dream Attack but a lot of people think it's a load of cr*p, particularly the lyrics.

Emma

I give up

To name one, it's 1963 and a host of others- and I'm not sure it would even be considered obscure. At any rate, I like it because of the lyrics, one of the most powerfully written NO song.

i've always really liked "Turn the Heater On" ... a unique New Order song, seems like many have a very poor opinion of it.
actually i like all the of the second Peel session, especially that version of "586"

I also like the Hardfloor Chicago acid house by way of Germany remix version of Blue Monday

Dream Attack is my favorite NO song period.

Barney Army wrote: I give up

i thought my second choice fell within the criteria you set.

OK, I didn't read the post clearly. Agreed on your comment of Temptation.

If you are talking about special meaning to me, where the lyrics just speak to you at that time in place, it would have to be "Love Vigilantes" (I know it's not obscure), but hear me out.

Those lyrics spoke to me while I was in Iraq, as I felt very much like Bernard's charactor in the song. Those were my emotions to the T. Plus I liked the way the ending of the song is open ended; you never really know if the message to his wife is a mistake or if he really died and doesn't realize it until his spirit is hovering over his wife reading the message. I felt similar as my coming home felt open-ended as you never really know if you are coming back with mortars/rockets exploding around you and bullets wizzing past your head. As an added bonus, "Land of the sun", I thought of as Iraq as the sun definately owns that area with 145F weather.

Hope this fits the ticket of this question a little better (though I know it's not obscure).

JHC

Hurt!

68 Pontiac wrote: Those lyrics spoke to me while I was in Iraq, as I felt very much like Bernard's charactor in the song.

Bernard dedicated LV to "your boys in Iraq" when they played Oakland last year

As for mine... Loveless

The lyrics to Dream Attack are perfectly suited to the music. That's a beautiful song. It captures toeing the line between desire and need, a common theme for Bernard, but a masterstroke on this song and the whole of Technique, really.

But my favorite 'obscure' NO track is probably "Cries and Whispers". Obviously most people into New Order have heard it, but it seems to be a forgotten one.

They should name a song "The Forgotten One" and just re-write "Cries and Whispers". That's actually the problem with WFTSC: there's no singing iceberg moment.

Doubt's Even Here, Mesh, Too Late, This Time Of Night, Everyone Everywhere + Vicious Streak.

Everything on Movement

As It Is When It Was...especially the great live version from Reading on Retro. Some of Barney's best lyrics:

The streets are so empty at this time of night I'd rather walk on my own than fight In a world where I'd forgotten you I found myself forgotten, too That's the danger of believing books And all the lies of those thieves and crooks We sing intellectual songs of love From a stolen pen to a velvet glove.

Brilliant stuff I tell ya...

Peel Sessions 586.

It just sounds so deep and strong and would be great in a club if anyone ever played it there. I love it SOOOO much.

Mesh - great drumming, great lyrics Cries & Whispers - ditto

Wish they'd done more like these two...

Lonesome Tonight - can't believe it was only a b-side, really powerful/emotional, good, simple song, beuatifully done...

Everyone Everywhere - often overlooked after such a strong set of songs before it on Republic

Denial - love the keyboard line in the middle, very aggressive - always makes me wonder if I could imagine JD ding this one - along with Ceremony and IALP the link between JD and NO for me...

Homage (!) :) - would have been intersting to hear a properly recorded version...

Snorri xxx

Young Offender

I like Hurt too. Refreshingly invigorating every time I hear it. I will be 90 and will still shake my booty to that one.

Soundtrack- calming. Love pottering around the place to this. Even my wife likes this one.

Oh and Blue Monday. because of its wonderful inventive rousing disco beat.

:bag:

Sunrise, 'cos it hits you like a bitch

Al Jarvis wrote: Are there any New Order tracks that are particularly obscure to anyone here?!

It's not likely that we're gonna mention a track that someone's gonna pipe up, Oooh, I forgot about that one, how does that go, which album was that on?!

Although I did list some fave songs on alt.music.themightyorder once and a regular post was shocked to see Lonesome Tonight was one of me faves claiming no-one he knew liked it. I just thought, muppet, you can't know many people, can you?!

Obscure the wrong word, Boddies does that to me.

I mean 'shit' :D

I always thought Ruined In a Day was shit, until Reading.

Special

J.A.K wrote: Special

let me guess..

reminds you of a certain lager?

Chemical. Not obscure, but never played live, and seemingly forgotten about by most.

Haystack

For me there are no obscure NO songs. They are all great in some way. Maybe just for just a few seconds, but never the less!

"Hello everyone it's nice to be here"

Hi, a little about me first - 16 year old New Order fan with all their albums.

Some of my favourite "obscure" songs -

Mr. Disco - Just relentless, a great dance track, up there with Round & Round for pure energy. Special - The drumbeat, tinkly keyboard, strings at the end and especially the way Barney sings "Stop saying that your calling time" - so cool. Sooner Than You Think - "Do you knoooow what I mean?" I reckon you do.

Look, I'm only 16, and I have no idea whether these were popular or well-known songs! I just chose them cos they're way down the songlists on their albums.

mark reed wrote: Chemical. Not obscure, but never played live, and seemingly forgotten about by most.

strangely i don't mind it. it reminds me of the magnicifent 2Unlimited for some bizarre reason. :\ohwell:

Eddie Eyers wrote: "Hello everyone it's nice to be here"

Hi, a little about me first - 16 year old New Order fan with all their albums.

Some of my favourite "obscure" songs -

Mr. Disco - Just relentless, a great dance track, up there with Round & Round for pure energy. Special - The drumbeat, tinkly keyboard, strings at the end and especially the way Barney sings "Stop saying that your calling time" - so cool. Sooner Than You Think - "Do you knoooow what I mean?" I reckon you do.

Look, I'm only 16, and I have no idea whether these were popular or well-known songs! I just chose them cos they're way down the songlists on their albums.

bloody hell Edward, have you finished your paper round early today then?

olof terneborg wrote: For me there are no obscure NO songs. They are all great in some way. Maybe just for just a few seconds, but never the less!

shit...its the old QPR adidas shirt. i had one of those when i was 10. Memmmmmmmries!!!!!!!!!!!

EmmaPeel wrote: Well, I like Dream Attack but a lot of people think it's a load of cr*p, particularly the lyrics.

Emma

you're kiddin.

it's frikkin awesome.

J.A.K wrote:

olof terneborg wrote: For me there are no obscure NO songs. They are all great in some way. Maybe just for just a few seconds, but never the less!

shit...its the old QPR adidas shirt. i had one of those when i was 10. Memmmmmmmries!!!!!!!!!!!

A great shirt, a great player and a great club!

olof terneborg wrote:

J.A.K wrote:

olof terneborg wrote: For me there are no obscure NO songs. They are all great in some way. Maybe just for just a few seconds, but never the less!

shit...its the old QPR adidas shirt. i had one of those when i was 10. Memmmmmmmries!!!!!!!!!!!

A great shirt, a great player and a great club!

despite placing Ian Holloway on errr...gardening leave.

BRING BACK GERRY FRANCIS!!!!

Don't Do It. My favourite New Order instrumental* (what? Even better than Avalanche? Darn tootin') and probably in my top ten NO tunes of all time.

Why? Harpsichords, plaintive guitar and orchestral stabs backed up by too-loud drums. Awesome, moving and possibly a little bit stupid too - a bit like Love Vigilantes in those respects, and indeed a lot like the best of NO's career macrocosmically.

Hope it's obscure enough...

* I exclude newsreel samples, sampled TV dialogue and sampled and reversed dialogue from the exorcist. Lleh ni skcoc kscus rehtom ruoy, indeed.

J.A.K wrote:

olof terneborg wrote:

J.A.K wrote:

olof terneborg wrote: For me there are no obscure NO songs. They are all great in some way. Maybe just for just a few seconds, but never the less!

shit...its the old QPR adidas shirt. i had one of those when i was 10. Memmmmmmmries!!!!!!!!!!!

A great shirt, a great player and a great club!

despite placing Ian Holloway on errr...gardening leave.

BRING BACK GERRY FRANCIS!!!!

Now we have Gary Waddock with help from Alan McDonald in the hot-seat. Maybe John Gregory is on his way to. A shame with Holloway really. He has done so much good for QPR.

Al Jarvis wrote:

olof terneborg wrote: Now we have Gary Waddock with help from Alan McDonald in the hot-seat. Maybe John Gregory is on his way to. A shame with Holloway really. He has done so much good for QPR.

Oi! Wrong website! Less of the QPHahaha shite here, sunshine! ;)

Oh, and your kit looks like a Tesco's carrier bag.

Are you a big fan of Steptoe & Son?!

Sorry that I slipped in to some football. Our shirt is the most beautiful there is bye the way! Nuff said!

Al Jarvis wrote:

olof terneborg wrote: Sorry that I slipped in to some football. Our shirt is the most beautiful there is bye the way! Nuff said!

Beautiful if (a) you're a pikey, or (b) a rag&bone man.

:p

What´s your team then?

Northampton (The Cobblers)?

MTO of course. That bitch is BAD-ASS and everyone knows it.

And btw, I loved ALL of Republic. It was the first NEW New Order album I bought (I got nto them in '91) and I really love that record. Special and Chemical are good songs, man.

Snorrimon wrote:

Homage (!) :) - would have been intersting to hear a properly recorded version...

Snorri xxx

Ahh yes! Now that's an obscure one! Yes I would have also liked to hear that in a studio recorded version. I wonder if it morphed into The Him?

I guess for me it would be the following three:

1. Don't Do It
2. I Told You So (3 Mix)- [Try finding that one! ]
3. The Happy One [The uncut 2:50 version] :D

Luton!

Must tell the missus there's another Hatter on the board - she's only missed a couple of games in 20-odd years...

...er... back to the thread. I can't class many tracks as obscure, though MTO is tucked away on Run2 and is quite enjoyable...

Al Jarvis wrote:

olof terneborg wrote: What´s your team then?

Northampton (The Cobblers)?

Luton.

We really don't like your lot!

I believe the feeling is very much mutual.

Luton!

Must tell the missus there's another Hatter on the board. She's only missed a couple of games in twenty-odd years...

Back to the thread, I agree with MTO about MTO.

Sorry guys - having board trouble. Must be time to leave work...

Hmmm...me worst song they've ever done is...urm, I like most of them, Jetstream's abit...nnnnn....I don't wanna critisize.

Special.

Brilliant song, elegant, sad, beautiful.

Great lyrics from Barney.

Its one of their best.

Special.

Brilliant song, elegant, sad, beautiful.

Great lyrics from Barney.

Its one of their best.

Obscure New Order is my favourite New Order, simply because I haven't heard it fifty million thousand frikkin times...

Cries & Whispers, Mesh, Peter Saville Show Soundtrack (goes on for a half hour but never gets boring), Haystack, Evil Dust, I also like that live recording of the Ostrich and Sister Ray (the only listenable track on the BBC live album)...

...and Turn the Heater On and Such a Good Thing (one of the best songs they've ever done thrown away as a b-side), and the Hacienda Christmas single (I downloaded that once, the sound quality was so poor you could barely make it out but it was weird and funny)

fine time for me is their most obscure moment. technique would still be an amazing record without it, although even shorter than it already is. one would think it would have made an amazing non-album single, as it could have easily stood on its own. however, at the same time, it fits in nicely on technique and provides an excellent soundtrack to what the band was hearing in ibiza at the clubs round that time.

i just thought for a lead off single and the lead off track on the album it defined new order's obscurity and really took me for a loop when i first heard it in 1989(since the prior three singles - blt, true faith and tbthog were definitely more accessible than fine time, at the time).

i owe you an e-mail, mysilentface. let me get on that. :)

the version of Ultraviolence at Leeds Tiffanys

why? ask me in another ten years time

Face up Special This time of night

has to be "special" for me love the intro and the lyrics, brings back memories of going night fishing! at least thats what my mum thought i was doing!:)

Not that obscure but Avalanche from Republic is one i enjoy.Most peeps seem to dismiss it but i rate it

obscure? love juice. it's cute and entertaining. a nice change from the norm for the kiwis.

shite? such a good thing. i absolutely love it.

Angel Dust for me...

Love everything about the song, really. Kinda short though.

Wasim wrote:

Bernard dedicated LV to "your boys in Iraq" when they played Oakland last year

Wow, I'm thankful for that. I actually was worried that the song was really an "antiwar" song, but that I wasn't hearing it. Glad NO feels that way towards us, seems that most of the music world has something negative to say towards us. Thanks for that info Wasim.

JHC

ruined in a day. Strong song, very subtle beauty. The video made me love it more. Its so adsurd, and when where the hell is morris. so ufcking 80's.

Chosen Time.

can't believe they did that to Olly...

Best & Marsh

68 Pontiac wrote:

Wasim wrote:

Bernard dedicated LV to "your boys in Iraq" when they played Oakland last year

Wow, I'm thankful for that. I actually was worried that the song was really an "antiwar" song, but that I wasn't hearing it. Glad NO feels that way towards us, seems that most of the music world has something negative to say towards us. Thanks for that info Wasim.

JHC

You've a lot to learn about Barney mate!

Barney Army wrote:

68 Pontiac wrote:

Wasim wrote:

Bernard dedicated LV to "your boys in Iraq" when they played Oakland last year

Wow, I'm thankful for that. I actually was worried that the song was really an "antiwar" song, but that I wasn't hearing it. Glad NO feels that way towards us, seems that most of the music world has something negative to say towards us. Thanks for that info Wasim.

JHC

You've a lot to learn about Barney mate!

they first started playing it again in australia just before all that iraq stuff went down. at least that's how i recall it. it may be a song about asoldier, but it ain't pro war.

"i was a twat and got shot" ok old barneyism taken out of context.

Al Jarvis wrote:

olof terneborg wrote: What´s your team then?

Northampton (The Cobblers)?

Luton.

We really don't like your lot!

I believe the feeling is very much mutual.

Luton? Hmm, that explains it. Mad as a Hatter!!!

I went to a game at Port Vale with a QPR mate a few years ago...the prematch drink with the locals was one of the most pleasant ones I've enjoyed. Apart from when they offered to show me the house in which a certain famous local figure was born.

Alex Hales wrote: I went to a game at Port Vale with a QPR mate a few years ago...the prematch drink with the locals was one of the most pleasant ones I've enjoyed. Apart from when they offered to show me the house in which a certain famous local figure was born.

Who was the "famous local figure"?

:D

Sorry mate, I do apologise - said local celeb was Robbie Williams, the only famous Vale fan I know of (other than Phil Taylor I guess) - anyway - I just wasn't interested in him!!

Ultraviolence - fabulous live, dumbed-down on record.

oldmonkey wrote: Ultraviolence - fabulous live, dumbed-down on record.

And not been played for more than 20 years and not likely to be ever again... The Village went the same way imho.

prolly "Let's Go" (Nothing For Me)

MTO definitely! Cries out for an extended mix,not the one on RUN 2 12",though I don't mind it in a ten pint trance.

I would probably put Skullcrusher (live not studio) somewhere between 10-20 if I were ranking my favorite NO tracks so I guess that would have to count. The lyrics from the Paradiso '84 are quintessential Barney! Mundane travel details, pretentious death references, instructions for the soundman, and of course the word "cunt". Beautiful. I also get a kick out of Turn the Heater On and Don't Do It.

Behind Closed Doors. Never paid much attention to the lyrics, but the music is great.

Brutal is quite good, too.

Actually, those two songs are amongst my favourites of the Get Ready era.

Sub-Culture - Exclusive Remix

Not sure where the hell it came, but I got in that "Out of Order" bootleg. Sub-Culture is pretty much my favorite track off Low-Life, but that John Robie single mix is overkill. The Exclusive Remix kept the original vocals and groove of the song intact.

I've always had a bit of a soft spot for Young Offender and Spooky.....

Alistair wrote: I've always liked Vicious Circle (NewOrder mix) which is obscure as in it's only found on the pretty rare Ruined in a day cassette single. Everyone'll probably know the Mike Haas mix from the CD single but the NewOrder mix is the original tune (or demo) as the band recorded it plus their only b-side from the Republic era.

I kind of consider that Ambeint mix of Ruined in a Day like a second b-side, as it's a drastically different sounding version with virtually no vocals, similar to MTO being a different take on Fine Time.

Angel Dust Dracula's Castle Young Offender Shame of the Nation Spooky

'CRIES AND WHISPERS' 'Mesh' 'HURT' 'too late' 'video586' 'the BEACH' 'the village' 'Lonesome tonight' 'Vicious circle' 'Sabotage'

I LOVE THEM LOT, on every aspect !

Shellshock- coz it reminds me of the year I first became a proper fan and because it reminds me of the nightmare of being packed off to the army at the tender age of 16 and 3/4...

MURDER! it's rough.Did they once play this song live ?

Too Late Liar Lets Go (salvation soundtrack)