What happened to the backing singer in Germany?

Contrary to what other people think I liked Dawn Zee's backing singing on Get Ready and thought she looked rather sexy on stage at Brixton and on Jools Holland. Given the strength of these 2 New Order performances I went to Berlin to see them and felt a bit let down when they started singing Crystal without any backing singer! I think Dawn Zee played the gigs in Paris but seems to have disappeared enroute to Germany. Does anyone have any ideas what happened to her? Its a bit of a mystery...

Does anybody need female backing singer's on NewOrder gigs and records ??? I didn't miss her in Cologne...

cheers. :D

She did not sing in Paris w/ N.O.

Originally posted by francois-marc loze She did not sing in Paris w/ N.O.

That is strange. I recorded the Monday 12th November Paris gig from a French radio station (France Inter, I think)which was broadcasting it live and you can defintely hear Dawn Zee's voice singing on Crystal and Close Range. They must have been using synchronised pre-recorded backing vocals outside the UK!

ALL female backing singers should be taken out and shot. They have no place in New Order songs. Woah-ooooah my arse.

That's a bit rough isn't it?

Tragically even though female i must agree with the desired outcome (just NO) although perhaps shooting them is a bit harsh - couldn't you just beat them with sticks until they agree to stop?!

Shooting them simply accelerates the process, and gets rid of the evil wailing noise sooner :)

New Order and backing singers do not mix

Originally posted by Major Tarantino Shevchenko New Order and backing singers do not mix

Unless its Hooky "eating the mic" of course!!

Originally posted by Sloppy Giuseppe ALL female backing singers should be taken out and shot. They have no place in New Order songs. Woah-ooooah my arse.

They should all be tied up in chains so tight....TIGHT.

OK i consider myself told :o

Originally posted by Sloppy Giuseppe ALL female backing singers should be taken out and shot. They have no place in New Order songs. Woah-ooooah my arse.

ooohh yer askin' fer it there...so far no females on this thread, but would be interesting to get therir take on this

i happen to like the backing vocals myself

I think young Cheeky Monkey may take umbrage with you there Jim !!!

It's not his fault if he can only read certain words! ;)

Originally posted by Jim Giliberto > Originally posted by Sloppy Giuseppe> ALL female backing singers should be taken out and shot. They have no place in New Order songs. Woah-ooooah my arse.

ooohh yer askin' fer it there...so far no females on this thread, but would be interesting to get therir take on this

i happen to like the backing vocals myself

I think it depends on the song...I think they work well on Crystal, but the backing vocals on the Substance version of Subculture are well cheesy.

BTW, I was sure I saw Dawn Zee in H&M in Manchester a couple of weeks ago.....

Originally posted by Cheeky Monkey It's not his fault if he can only read certain words! ;)

sorry...but i'm looking at the names...and cheeky monkey...well, its not as obvious as Jim Giliberto now...

o.k. sorry there again cheeky...i click on you name and remembered it in the past...

No problem Jim - know what you mean - you'd be guessing from the piccie as well wouldn't you?

Originally posted by Cheeky Monkey No problem Jim - know what you mean - you'd be guessing from the piccie as well wouldn't you?

You mean that's not really you?

Course it's me who else would it be? I just meant my gender is unclear on the photo! From your profile I note you are in fact neither old or blue - charlatan! ;)

Six good reasons to hate backing singers:

1. LIAR
2. SHAME OF THE NATION
3. SUBCULTURE (12" version)
4. SOMEONE LIKE YOU
5. WORLD (PRICE OF LOVE)
6. The intro the album version of CRYSTAL

Originally posted by Cheeky Monkey Course it's me who else would it be? I just meant my gender is unclear on the photo! From your profile I note you are in fact neither old or blue - charlatan! ;)

Damn, the secret's out. I'm not a Second Division footballer either.

agreed about how awful the backup singing can be...i can't listen to "Shame of the Nation" as a result.

however, i wouldn't blame the singers. after all, it's not their fault that someone thought, "hey, let's get some backup singers in here for this!"

i'd blame whoever wrote them the part and decided that they should be in on it when it really wasn't such a good idea. which isn't always, but which does seem to happen a lot.

and though this may be sacrilege, that may include blaming the Order once in awhile...but i don't think it entirely fair to blame people who amount to being session players who are just there to do what they're told and get paid to do so. some people consider themselves lucky enough just to get paid to do music, nevermind whether it's exactly what they *want* to do or not.

*ducks for cover*

Don't fret Janaki - I blame the Order quite a lot - I blame their middle-aged complacency for coming up with such bland rubbish like "Liar" and "Someone like You".... sometimes it's only fair to criticise your idols for things that they do....and backing vocals certainly rank pretty high on my list of gripes!! ;) Not to mention utterly shite remixes that do nothing to the originals except make them even worse than they already are. Pfft!

thanks, Hubert, for not threatening to flay me alive and then make strings for Hooky's bass out of my innards. ;) (although you may yet want to do that once i tell you that i actually like "Someone Like You"...:D)

some of the remixes are okay, but lately, i've been hating most of them. and some just plain did not EVER need to be done. f'rinstance, *why* would you need to do ANYTHING to "Regret"? it's a perfect song as it is...anything you do to it is going to subtract from its perfection!

but back to the backing singer issue: some of the songs involving them don't offend me. in fact, i enjoy some of them...but i can take or leave the backing vocal in those songs. and none of them rank among my favourites.

f'rinstance, the oft-cited "Crystal"...absolutely HATE the radio edit. think it's choppy and ridiculous and much prefer the album version, the Bedrock mix radio edit (the long version of that annoys me), and/or the Corbin Dalek mix. but the backing vocal in it? could do without...but it doesn't take away from the song particularly for me, either. (hence my liking of the mixes listed above, perhaps. ^^)

...'cept for when she echoes Barney at the "every man...and every woman" lines. *then* you could drop her off a bridge and i wouldn't exactly cry about it. :evil2:

Originally posted by Hubert Mickle Six good reasons to hate backing singers:1) LIAR2) SHAME OF THE NATION3) SUBCULTURE (12" version)4) SOMEONE LIKE YOU5) WORLD (PRICE OF LOVE)6) The intro the album version of CRYSTAL

The Perfecto Mix of WORLD rules. It's excellent and I like the backing vocals on Crystal too.

Originally posted by francois-marc loze The Perfecto Mix of WORLD rules. It's excellent and I like the backing vocals on Crystal too.

That's the problem - I actually preferred that mix over the original album version on Republic - albeit grudgingly. However, the re-recorded backing vocals on that Perfecto Version were so far upfront in the mix they just hurt my poor little ears.... :D

yes, i too preferred the Perfecto mix of "World." it took a bit to get over the "backing" vocal (which IS really far up front for an alleged "backing" vocal...XD)...but as it's not in the song very much, it doesn't bother me.

*shrugs* for me, "Shame of the Nation" ranks as the best example of backing vocals at their worst. *shudders*

True...shite song too....

just thought of a connected instance wherein a backing vocal is actually quite good, and actually ADDS to the song in question...although it's not an NO song proper.

Electronic's "When She's Gone." Astrid Williamson has a lovely, airy, ethereal backing vocal that shows up in only a few key places, stays in the background...and is in fact a good example of the human voice integrating itself into a musical tapestry.

in other words, it *fits*. and well. which such things SHOULD do, if one is going to do them.

I don't know why everyone hates backing singers so much. I don't have a problem with them myself; at least they add something a bit different to NO's songs.

Originally posted by janaki Electronic's "When She's Gone." Astrid Williamson has a lovely, airy, ethereal backing vocal that shows up in only a few key places, stays in the background...and is in fact a good example of the human voice integrating itself into a musical tapestry.in other words, it *fits*. and well. which such things SHOULD do, if one is going to do them.

I do agree so much!!! I did not think about it but you are right. It's a really good song too.

I'm beginning to think no one really knows what happened to the Dawn Zee on the France/Germany/Sweden November 2001 tour dates!

Or cares :D

Originally posted by Zizou Zidane Or cares :D

I don't know if you can read or not but for 30 replies someone must care - just you carry on posting stupid topics no one cares about

Yes I can read, thank you for asking. Of the 30 replies to this thread, nobody has expostulated on the whereabouts of Dawn Zee, instead they have concentrated on either lambasting or extolling the virtues of backing singers within the works of New Order. It is, therefore, a perfectly reasonable conclusion from the overwhelming anti-backing singer attitude expressed within this thread, that those who have posted on this thread indeed do not care what happened to Dawn Zee en route from A to B.

I'm sorry that nobody appears to know the answer to your very valid question.

Originally posted by Mark Cunningham > Originally posted by Zizou Zidane> Or cares :D

I don't know if you can read or not but for 30 replies someone must care - just you carry on posting stupid topics no one cares about

Mark, This board has an inherant history of veering subjects wildly "off topic" Thank yourself lucky that Hunstman(rip) didnt post on this thread or we'd probably be talking about the crunchyness of ice cream cones or summin by now ;)

If you that keen for your question to be answered a gentle nudge back "on topic" is often required by the topic poster as you seem to have found out!!!

But the diversity and amount of information that can emerge from topics wandering off in unchartered directions can often be as interesting and insightful as the answer to the original question was anyway!! and if nothing else it raises a chuckle

But anyway, i dont think she sang in every concerts of New Order in England, did she? I was just at the first concert in Paris, I did not go to the second one but i can assure u she was not there.

Originally posted by francois-marc loze But anyway, i dont think she sang in every concerts of New Order in England, did she? I was just at the first concert in Paris, I did not go to the second one but i can assure u she was not there.

Relax, I believed you the first time. It must have been an apparition I saw at Brixton and on Jools Holland.