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Was Ian psychic?
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Mrs. Brightside wrote: It was me me me me me me me me me me, waiting for me me me me me me me me
Wondered how long it would take! 
I don't believe in psychics, or anything supernatural, so I don't think anybody could be psychic whatsoever.
leather_girl wrote: I don't believe in psychics, or anything supernatural, so I don't think anybody could be psychic whatsoever.
I KNEW you were going to say that
leather_girl wrote: I don't believe in psychics, or anything supernatural, so I don't think anybody could be psychic whatsoever.
i'm not going to buy into this one.
i'll just say that there's more between heaven and earth that we can imagine. i have always considered myself to be fairly level headed, but in the last year i have had a few strange experiences. mind you most so called psychics are bull artists.
Reminds me, was it just me or did a lot of other people who read "Torn Apart" want to give Lindsay Reade a slap every time she started digressing into la-la land with all the bullshit about palmistry and psychic activity and whatnot? If I was Mick Muddles, I'd have whacked some sense into her and told her to stop fucking with my book, especially that part where she basically throws up her hands and pathetically declares her innocence about not properly helping Ian. Neither of them certainly do an apt job of deflating the various myths we've heard over the years...they rather slip back into mythologizing at every chance, at least when not paraphrasing Debbie Curtis's book and passsing it off as their own work (note the absence of citations for almost everything). The only real value the book seems to have is the interviews with people like Terry Mason, Vini Reilly, and Annik Honore (especially Ian's letters to her), providing a bit less obvious bias than Debbie's book.
His Holiness, The Pope wrote: Neither of them certainly do an apt job of deflating the various myths we've heard over the years...they rather slip back into mythologizing at every chance, at least when not paraphrasing Debbie Curtis's book and passsing it off as their own work (note the absence of citations for almost everything). The only real value the book seems to have is the interviews with people like Terry Mason, Vini Reilly, and Annik Honore (especially Ian's letters to her), providing a bit less obvious bias than Debbie's book.
I knew there was an unknown reason I was waiting for the paperback!
I'm psychic 
or I'm just skint.
David/Pope: Have you seen my review of the book?
Reminds me, was it just me or did a lot of other people who read "Torn Apart" want to give Lindsay Reade a slap every time she started digressing into la-la land with all the bullshit about palmistry and psychic activity and whatnot?
Yes. Did you read the interview with her on the 24HPP site that she came over to California in the Nineties to ply her trade in feng shui...I guess her dabbling with the occult didn't stop with the palmistry and hypnosis.
If I was Mick Muddles, I'd have whacked some sense into her and told her to stop fucking with my book, especially that part where she basically throws up her hands and pathetically declares her innocence about not properly helping Ian. Neither of them certainly do an apt job of deflating the various myths we've heard over the years...they rather slip back into mythologizing at every chance, at least when not paraphrasing Debbie Curtis's book and passsing it off as their own work (note the absence of citations for almost everything).
Middles is as much to blame, really. The absence of citations in a serious biographical work is a major shortcoming. And of course, she was far from the innocent she portrays, much of what she says during that fateful week strikes me as either false or incomplete. And I guess he already burned enough bridges with the band and Tony Wilson for them to not want to participate.
The only real value the book seems to have is the interviews with people like Terry Mason, Vini Reilly, and Annik Honore (especially Ian's letters to her), providing a bit less obvious bias than Debbie's book.
Terry Mason, sure...though even the most jaded of readers has to be surprised how graphic his account about the band's practical jokes gets, and I wonder how much of it is motivated by bad relations between him and the rest of the group. I found Ian's letters to her not that interesting to be honest...to quote DC, "she could have been anyone, really"...
The Happy One wrote: David/Pope: I agree...have you seen my review of the book?
I have indeed, and I agree with a lot of your criticisms. Some may be a bit too nitpicky, but others are right on. Still, I think both Debbie's book and Torn Apart deserve to be read side by side to get a properly balanced account of things. If there are two books to read on Joy Division, both should fit the bill.
I have indeed, and I agree with a lot of your criticisms. Some may be a bit too nitpicky, but others are right on. Still, I think both Debbie's book and Torn Apart deserve to be read side by side to get a properly balanced account of things. If there are two books to read on Joy Division, both should fit the bill.
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Yeah, I got a bit worked up there...the side by side thing, I'd be careful of, though. Only one of the two books plays games with the truth, and while Debbie's book is admittedly is colored by her own experience, it's amazing how well it fares after a session with the Middles/Reade tome, even if Debbie relied on Lindsay's account for pieces of her own work (she trusted her at one time, certainly not now).
But I can't imagine you would have entirely agreed with the belief the 'suicide' was in part or in whole an accident..though the point I made is that to deal with his life without looking closely at the circumstances behind his death is yet another glaring omission on the part of the authors of Torn Apart.
The only book I've read concerning jd/ian curtis is "touching from a distance"....my whole guess would be from what his wife had written that ian probably thought that no one cared about him....seeing as docs, etc...say people who actually go through with suicide, have tried to commit suicide before....sounded like the docs didn't give a shit about him either...should have kept his arse in a hospital...anyway. my grandmother is an epileptic...she used to say things like, "no one cares about me"....she became depressed recently and over the past few years and started talking about killing herself. had a neighbor check on her a bit until my mom came home then until doc appt. that may not be what the "daft bugger" had going through his head....who the hell knows...
Animadversion wrote: The only book I've read concerning jd/ian curtis is "touching from a distance"....my whole guess would be from what his wife had written that ian probably thought that no one cared about him....seeing as docs, etc...say people who actually go through with suicide, have tried to commit suicide before....sounded like the docs didn't give a shit about him either...should have kept his arse in a hospital...anyway. my grandmother is an epileptic...she used to say things like, "no one cares about me"....she became depressed recently and over the past few years and started talking about killing herself. had a neighbor check on her a bit until my mom came home then until doc appt. that may not be what the "daft bugger" had going through his head....who the hell knows...
Mind that late 70s care for epilepsy and depression are nowhere near what they are today...didn't I read somewhere that his anticonvulsants made him sicker cuz of the side effects? Consumption of alcohol/drugs probably didn't help, but still....not to sound morbid, but maybe Ian was fated to lead a short but brilliant existance as a tortured soul. 
probably so.....
i thought about that after i posted that....
a lot of the times when you're young, you don't listen to what you're told, so yeah i guess.....it isn't much better now health care wise, at least not in america....even though more is known.....
my gma can't drive a car, could never hold a job, and the spells all the time....sometimes the drugs she takes to try and control the spells, make it worse....its like now, she hasn't had a spell in over a month....which is good, but something is weird about the shift of it....as strange as it sounds, i think she might pass away, because of other problems alongside it.
*sigh* i don't want to think anymore....
