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jonathan wrote:
Madame Hollywood wrote:
jonathan wrote: I love the nyc/hip hop influence in it.
I despise it
did i ask you? you just lost my mod vote.
I despise jetstream because of the serbian influence.
Where do you hear the serbian influence in Jetstream? Enlighten me 
Madame Hollywood wrote:
jonathan wrote:
Madame Hollywood wrote:
jonathan wrote: I love the nyc/hip hop influence in it.
I despise it
did i ask you? you just lost my mod vote.
Where do you hear the serbian influence in Jetstream? Enlighten me
i actually like jetstream so maybe i have no cred. Quite honestly, i was just talking out of my ass.
jonathan wrote:
i actually like jetstream so maybe i have no cred. Quite honestly, i was just talking out of my ass.
No change there then 
I was horrified when i first heard Shellshock.Low Life was a brilliant album the previous year then they brought out that pile of cack! .I think i got off on the wrong footing with it, i first heard the 7" on the old Medium Wave Radio 1.If my first listen to it had been the 12" in perfect stereo it might have been a diffrent story.Don't mind the 12" sometimes though .It probably just pips SOTN .Although State does have a few good sounds in there.Shame is better
Boatraceface wrote: Shellshock vs State Of The Nation...Where's the third option..Both Wank
Shellshock wanks? I take offense to that, sir. 
shellshock seems a bit easier on the ears, but about halfway through, it really tries to get into dance mode...ugh. at least SOTN sounded the same throughout. SOTN got my vote
SOTN for me but I remember loving Shellshock when it first came out. Recently purchased a new family truckster and stuck Singles disc 1 in it. My kids love Shellshock. Wifey had to put disc 2 in because our 5 year old kepted singing "it's never enough until your heart stops beating."
"The deeper you get, the sweeter the pain, Don't give up again until your heart stops beating" SHELLSHOCK for me!
Good question. These songs do get a lot of stick - hated them both for years but they've grown on me. Went for Shellshock as although it does sound dated the lyrics are great and there's a lot of energy in there. SOTN is funky but has some terrible lyrics, especially the bit about driving in the stolen car 
Both miles better than that pig's ear of a Subculture remix
Jolene wrote: SOTN is funky but has some terrible lyrics, especially the bit about driving in the stolen car
The Driving in a Stolen 
Car is the best part of SOTN. But too many things goin' on with that Tune. All together Shellshock is a better song.
Hearing them Live, each, for their first times out might have been excellent.
I love the nyc/hip hop influence in it. Am i the only one that sees this?
Nope, you're not.
Shellshock is prime for remixing, methinks. The production may sound outmoded but I love the way the song evolves, how well each section (mostly) flows.
SotN sounds clumsy and awkawrd to me. Didn't Steve say in that Select article in about 1993 about how it was an attempt to "impress the Japanese" and was thrown together rather quickly? A lack of quality control (especially lyrically) is in evidence - it's one I skip over a lot.
Shellshock and State of the Nation have always been two of my least favourite New Order tracks. However, just yesterday i had a sudden desire to hear Shellshock and i thought it was great and couldn't stop playing it. I can't ever imagine having a great desire to hear State OTN. But maybe i will go and give Shame a spin.
State of the Nation,absolutely,well & truly.I know it's a little bit 'discoy-fied',but all the N.O. d.n.a is there,it's a N.O. song,whereas 'Shellshock' is a John Robie production,altho' nowhere near as ruined as 'Subculture'.It's a decent pop song,good lyrically,catchy chorus,cracking electronics,but not a formula I personally wouldv'e liked N.O. to stick to
back in the olden days i bought two copies of the Shellshock 12" verses one for the State Of the Nation 12". I still stand by my choice.
jonathan wrote: shell shock for me. I love the nyc/hip hop influence in it. Am i the only one that sees this? Doesn't sound dated to my ears.
I always though shame of the nation was way more interesting than state......
Agreed on all counts. Shellshock's a very NYC record, and Shame was far more interesting than State. Pity about the female vocals though.
If State of the Nation was an instrumental, or has better lyrics, it would have been one of my favorites.
But since it has crappy lame lyrics, for me, it is too close to call between Shellshock.
But I will still go with State of the Nation. Excellent "Razormaid Mix" of SOTN. The best version of the song.
Indeed!
