It just sounds so fresh-much more dynamic than Crystal. Was it a entirely new track when they recorded it and released it? This quality of immediacy is lacking even from most of the best stuff off WFTSC. If they resuscitated the single/EP motif, even just for a one off, it might do wonders for the group creatively speaking. I know the record company might find it dubious, but then again, a CD single with six remixes is getting pretty old hat these days.
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When did NO write Here to Stay?
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I always thought it was written just after Get Ready, for 24 hour PP.
The urgency you mention may be due to the Chemical Brothers playing a large part in the backing track, which i was always under the impression was a gentleman's trade off for Barney's input into 'Out of Control' by the Chems.
As for refreshing compared to Crystal, i have to disagree. I thought Here to Stay sounded relatively inferior and tired from the off. Crystal still sounds wonderful.
Was it not intended to be on Get Ready but they couldn't record it in time? Or some such thing...someone correct me.
In the original NME previews well before the album came out, Here To Stay was talked about, so it was probably in the Get Ready sessions at some point.
NEW ORDER 'SURRENDER' TO CHEMICALS The Manchester band's first album since 1993 is due for release in the autumn... NEW ORDER's first album in eight years is guitar-based and will feature a collaboration with the CHEMICAL BROTHERS, NME.COM can reveal.
The follow-up to 1993's 'Republic' is now set to be released in the autumn, and is likely to be preceded by two singles. Speaking exclusively to NME.COM from Real World studios near Bath, New Order drummer Stephen Morris said: "It's hard to put your finger on what's changed. It's a lot more guitarry than previously."
Prior to the new as-yet-untitled album, New Order release a DVD in late March through London. Titled '316', it features footage of a 1981 New Order gig in New York along with their 1998 Reading Festival appearance and a new interview with the band.
"I'd not seen it for ages so it was quite strange seeing it again," said Morris. "It's nice to see the hairstyles of 1981 which may come back one day. Reading '98 was the first gig when we got together again. It's the only time we played 'World In Motion' so it's unique for that."
Asked how the recording of the new record was going, Morris said: "It's going good. We're set to start mixing it in March with the idea of getting it out in the autumn. We've been working with Steve Osbourne so he'll be mixing it. The Chemical Brothers are doing a track. I don't know that it's got a title yet, we're still not very good with titles. But we've sent them a track and they're doing what they do. It's got singing on it, it's virtually finished but let's see what they do. That's kind of the most keyboardy track we've done which is probably why they've got it."
Morris confirmed: "There's 17 sort of ideas we're working on but I think we're down to nine or ten finished songs and the rest we'll probably work on later for B-sides and stuff. '60mph' and 'Crystal' - those two are definite titles. There's one called 'Dream On' which will probably stay titled 'Dream On' because it's in the lyric."
Moby was touted as a potential collaborator on the new album, but he recently told NME.COM he was too busy working on his own album. Morris commented: "We waited until we had a few tracks to send him and by the time that we got round to deciding I think he was stuck into his own stuff. It's our fault for dragging it out a bit. But it would be good to work with him in the future."
Asked about live plans this year, Morris told NME.COM: "Glastonbury has kind of knackered it a bit really so we're discussing it at the moment. There will probably be one gig before the album then do four or five straight after, in this country anyway."
New Order will also be at the Cornerhouse in Manchester on February 2 for a screening of their videos and the interview from '316', presented by producer and film-maker Michael H Shamberg. There will also be a screening of Shamberg's first feature film, 'Souvenir'. For tickets call 0161 200 1500.
Burt Reynolds wrote: As for refreshing compared to Crystal, i have to disagree. I thought Here to Stay sounded relatively inferior and tired from the off. Crystal still sounds wonderful.
Agreed, Crystal's the best thing New Order have put out in Donkey's Years. One of their crowning glories of all time, I would've said.
El Jarvo wrote:
Burt Reynolds wrote: As for refreshing compared to Crystal, i have to disagree. I thought Here to Stay sounded relatively inferior and tired from the off. Crystal still sounds wonderful.
Agreed, Crystal's the best thing New Order have put out in Donkey's Years. One of their crowning glories of all time, I would've said.
I disagree. I'm with JV on this one. At least I'd say Here to Stay is more dynamic than anything on Get Ready. Fresher is another matter.
FC Can Can Man wrote:
Morris confirmed: "There's 17 sort of ideas we're working on but I think we're down to nine or ten finished songs and the rest we'll probably work on later for B-sides and stuff. '60mph' and 'Crystal' - those two are definite titles. There's one called 'Dream On' which will probably stay titled 'Dream On' because it's in the lyric."
Which one was Dream On then?
CuanaD - D-plus wrote:
FC Can Can Man wrote:
Morris confirmed: "There's 17 sort of ideas we're working on but I think we're down to nine or ten finished songs and the rest we'll probably work on later for B-sides and stuff. '60mph' and 'Crystal' - those two are definite titles. There's one called 'Dream On' which will probably stay titled 'Dream On' because it's in the lyric."
Which one was Dream On then?
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His Holiness, The Pope wrote: Here to Stay is far better than Crystal. Deal with it.
If you like your dated New Order-by-numbers sound that's the song for you.
Jet Stream wrote: It's their best song that's never been performed live.
I would mention the TOTP performance, but I believe we can't call that "live" 
Here to Stay is far better than Crystal. Deal with it.
I don't say "far better", but better nonetheless.
For all the hype that surrounded the Chemical Brothers + New Order collaboration I certainly expected a hell of alot more than what we got. Here To Stay is a solid but pretty unremarkable effort with blippy electronic effects that dated badly almost the instant the single hit the shelves.
I remember reading Hooky's comments that the Chemicals spent most of the sessions in awe of the fact they were simply working with New Order which explains a fair amount. They were obviously so in awe that they couldn't muster any truly original ideas into the mix; just a fairly faithful rehash of the electro rock template. Would anyone have noticed the Chemicals were involved if it wasn't stickered in bold lettering on the sleeve? I wouldn't have.
Don't get me wrong, it's a good track but not half as good as some people around here elevate it to. Never mind Crystal beating the shit out of it, even Out Of Control does that quite comfortably without Hooky and Steve on board 
Yup, Out Of Control any day here.
[brown]Ally[/brown] wrote:
Yup, Out Of Control any day here.
Quite a few other Chems songs kick Here to Stay's ass too. I actually prefer the flip, 'Player in the League' these days. I thought it was going to herald the NO return to doing fine B-sides.
pah...
Didn't they write it during their "if we press this button we get this shitty bleep sound and if we press that button we get that irritating early-90s dance pap noise" period?
Both Crystal and Here to Stay are top notch songs. Very different and very strong. Cannot really say which is better. Probably Here to Stay by a margin.
Its interesting...
most of the Brits seem to say Crystal, by a country mile... Everyone else seems to say Here to Stay..
any theories?
Doctor? wrote: I love Crystal, but prefer HTS, as it sounds more like real NO, not some rock band.
Crystal sounds like New Order to my ears Cambo.In fact I heard the song for the first time without knowing who it was and guessed it was New Order pretty quickly,despite it being on MTV with a fake band in the video.
Boatraceface wrote:
Doctor? wrote: I love Crystal, but prefer HTS, as it sounds more like real NO, not some rock band.
Crystal sounds like New Order to my ears Cambo.In fact I heard the song for the first time without knowing who it was and guessed it was New Order pretty quickly,despite it being on MTV with a fake band in the video.
it would be fucked without the backing bird's vocals.
J.A.K wrote:
Boatraceface wrote:
Doctor? wrote: I love Crystal, but prefer HTS, as it sounds more like real NO, not some rock band.
Crystal sounds like New Order to my ears Cambo.In fact I heard the song for the first time without knowing who it was and guessed it was New Order pretty quickly,despite it being on MTV with a fake band in the video.
it would be fucked without the backing bird's vocals.
Nah,Its fuckin class.Especially live End of.
I like Here to Stay,but it does'nt lace Crystal's boots.
Shouldn't this thread be called "WHY did NO write Here to Stay?"
Honestly, I don't think I've listened to the song 10 times ever, and over half of those listens were in situations just like this where people start on about what a classic track it is and I go back just to find something redeeming about it.
My conclusion: a run of the mill Electronic track. The worst single that they ever released.
robin wrote: Shouldn't this thread be called "WHY did NO write Here to Stay?"
Honestly, I don't think I've listened to the song 10 times ever, and over half of those listens were in situations just like this where people start on about what a classic track it is and I go back just to find something redeeming about it.
My conclusion: a run of the mill Electronic track. The worst single that they ever released.
same here.
I'm having trouble recalling it. it must be that good. 
intrigued now, so i may listen to it tonight.
If I decide its SHIT, then my decision stands. coz I know, I've got the best ear, on ere, for these things.
Its interesting...
most of the Brits seem to say Crystal, by a country mile... Everyone else seems to say Here to Stay..
any theories?
Because we're smarter.
You're just a woman with a small brain. With a brain a third the size of us. It's science.
/s/ R. Burgundy
I agree with Cambo's comment that HTS sounds more like real NO than Crystal does. I like Crystal and all, but I'm a bit perplexed as to why people love it so much. 
The only people who like Here To Stay always seem to be American..maybe its cutting edge music to them
Johnny wrote: The only people who like Here To Stay always seem to be American..maybe its cutting edge music to them
Yeah, I guess that's why it reached #15 in the UK but didn't even make the top 40 in the US. 
Shellshocker wrote:
Johnny wrote: The only people who like Here To Stay always seem to be American..maybe its cutting edge music to them
Yeah, I guess that's why it reached #15 in the UK but didn't even make the top 40 in the US.
You follow chart positions? Wish i had has much spare time as you
Johnny wrote:
Shellshocker wrote:
Johnny wrote: The only people who like Here To Stay always seem to be American..maybe its cutting edge music to them
Yeah, I guess that's why it reached #15 in the UK but didn't even make the top 40 in the US.
You follow chart positions? Wish i had has much spare time as you
It takes 5 seconds to look up online.
Shellshocker wrote:
Johnny wrote: The only people who like Here To Stay always seem to be American..maybe its cutting edge music to them
Yeah, I guess that's why it reached #15 in the UK but didn't even make the top 40 in the US.
Crystal made no.4 though in the UK though.
Surely only Regret and Toothache have even 'dented' the top 40 in the US.
El Jarvo wrote:
Shellshocker wrote:
Johnny wrote: The only people who like Here To Stay always seem to be American..maybe its cutting edge music to them
Yeah, I guess that's why it reached #15 in the UK but didn't even make the top 40 in the US.
Crystal made no.4 though in the UK though.
Surely only Regret and Toothache have even 'dented' the top 40 in the US.
I only meant that HTS was more popular in the UK than in the US.
Regret is probably the only really big NO hit in the US. Crystal did get a lot of airplay. I'd guess it is anywhere from 2nd to 5th in terms of NO hits in the US. I could be all wet on that, but I'd be willing to bet the house that it was a bigger hit in the US than HTS.
Shellshocker wrote:
El Jarvo wrote:
Shellshocker wrote:
Johnny wrote: The only people who like Here To Stay always seem to be American..maybe its cutting edge music to them
Yeah, I guess that's why it reached #15 in the UK but didn't even make the top 40 in the US.
Crystal made no.4 though in the UK though.
Surely only Regret and Toothache have even 'dented' the top 40 in the US.
I only meant that HTS was more popular in the UK than in the US.
New Order. Period. Are more popular in the UK than the US.
But my point was that Crystal was, again, more popular than HTS.
El Jarvo wrote:
Shellshocker wrote:
El Jarvo wrote:
Shellshocker wrote:
Johnny wrote: The only people who like Here To Stay always seem to be American..maybe its cutting edge music to them
Yeah, I guess that's why it reached #15 in the UK but didn't even make the top 40 in the US.
Crystal made no.4 though in the UK though.
Surely only Regret and Toothache have even 'dented' the top 40 in the US.
I only meant that HTS was more popular in the UK than in the US.
New Order. Period. Are more popular in the UK than the US.
But my point was that Crystal was, again, more popular than HTS.
I never argued that point at all. Johnny had said that the only people that liked HTS were Americans, so I pointed out that it was much more successful in the UK than in the US, thus that statement must be false. Isaid nothing whatsoever about Crystal's popularity in the UK. Crystal did better in the US than HTS did, too which merely reinforces my point that Johnny's original statement about Americans preferring HTS as false.
Johnny wrote: The only people who like Here To Stay always seem to be American..maybe its cutting edge music to them
whew. hope that was a joke. i don't think ANYONE will confuse new order (or the fucking chemical brothers) with "cutting edge music." and i think lots of people in britain like here to stay. it's a good song. crystal is better.
but don't start some us vs uk thing here again, cause we've got more bad taste and more good taste than your country could ever hope to have. we will swamp you with our badness.
I have my "HTS days" and my "Crystal days", can't tell for sure which one is the best track. Crystal video is definetly the best one, although Barney looks very thin in HTS 
Here To Stay is a fantastic single.
Crystal is also a fantastic single.
I'm glad they wrote and released BOTH of them, I feel no need to compare the two.
Here to stay for me. I always thought it beckons the 80s heyday as its a perfect blend of sadness and bliss that makes NO unique. Its what i think is largely missing from their 21st century output.
That being said, Crystal and Here to Stay are both fantastic. If player in the league and Here to Stay would of made Get ready, it would of raise that album a couple notches in my book.
I honestly can't say which tune I prefer (Crystal vs HTS), but I did overkill Crystal a little bit, ever since the 3:10 demo version hit Audiogalaxy back in.. Well, before Get Ready or the single came out. There was one of 60 Miles An Hour too. 3:something too, shorter than the album version, but longer than Crystal.
Crystal is a fine song, just a little slow to get started(see album version), whereas HTS and other of their tunes that I rate the highest nail you over the head and don't let go. The live version of Crystal (511 DVD) kick ass, esp. Barney's guitar solo.
HTS, however, blew me away on the first listen, a perfect blend of New Order's 25+ years. The sampled choir, the crazy sequener riff and keyboards, the drums, then and Barney + Hooky. The winner.
I prefer Here to Stay, although Crystal is another ace tune. But, I think I over played it when it came out. The vocals of both songs - the warm tone but the coldness of them - seemed to touch me as soon as I heard them. Crystal, though, has too much guitar fuzz - and doesn't translate well live. But HTS was never played live. I prefer the HTS video, although no one seems to know how to remix either of these songs well.
As I also love the Chemical Brothers,I was really looking forward to & excited by the thought of them & my favourite bands' coming together.....What a disappointment:\ohwell:
It's a good tune but just didn't equal what I expected from the input of both of them,little bit lightweight.Agree with Jonathan tho',Get Ready with HTS & Sabotage(not PITL) included would definately make a very good album.Steve said that HTS just didn't fit tho' 
P.S. Crystal is quality fucking N.O.Period.& that's swearing
mark kelly wrote: As I also love the Chemical Brothers,I was really looking forward to & excited by the thought of them & my favourite bands' coming together.....What a disappointment
Agreed. Love the Chemicals (well, they are honorary Vikings after all!) but Here To Stay is poor by their (and New Order's) standards.
The opening bars are just trite. They belong from the mid-80's.
Out of Control is an infinitely better 'New Order' track, imo. And some of their other colloborations could work so much better too. Check out The Boxer. That's got a soooperb opening salvo of beats. And tracks like Surface to Air have all the makings of a good 'New Order' instrumental.
It sounds to me like both sides put in minimal effort on this one. Be interesting to see who actually did what on either side.
There's an interview with Barney on the Chemical's Singles DVD where he explains, err, who did what.
From memory (all I've got since I lost the DVD) he says he put a load of guitar chords over the backing track they sent him which the Chems promptly took off.
He didn't give the impression they were ever in the styoodio together.
robin wrote: My conclusion: a run of the mill Electronic track. The worst single that they ever released.
Worse than 60 Miles an Hour?!
I think not!
[brown]Ally[/brown] wrote:
robin wrote: My conclusion: a run of the mill Electronic track. The worst single that they ever released.
Worse than 60 Miles an Hour?!
I think not!
& I'm gonna say it again!.....Worse than Shitstream???!!!
Would even put it above Shellshock,Subculture(12"),Ruined in a Day & Spooky too,only in my very humble opinion you understand:\ohwell:
Burt Reynolds wrote: Its interesting...
most of the Brits seem to say Crystal, by a country mile... Everyone else seems to say Here to Stay..
any theories?
Quite simply, us Brits have more class and better taste than frightful Johnny Foreigner, particularly those in the colonies, what not? :moon:
mark kelly wrote:
[brown]Ally[/brown] wrote:
robin wrote: My conclusion: a run of the mill Electronic track. The worst single that they ever released.
Worse than 60 Miles an Hour?!
I think not!
& I'm gonna say it again!.....Worse than Shitstream???!!!
...And I won't even mention Dracula's fookin Castle, oops... 
Here to Stay is one of the best songs that NO put out since Regret. It's how I know they still "have" it!!!!!
