I have hated watching New Order the last couple times

Hello all - I am new to the forum. I found it trying to research the stage times for the Blackpool gig.

I have been a massive New Order fan since 1983. I have seen them live dozens of times across the country, including seminal gigs at GMEX, The Hacienda, Reading and even in the USA.

The last couple of times I have seen New Order I have found it a profoundly depressing experience. The comeback gig at the Appollo was brilliant, like meeting old friends again but since then I have seen them at MEN Arena twice, Liverpool and Blackpool and my enjoyment has diminished with each gig. Now it is like watching kareoke.

I don't want Barney to tell the crowd to "Make Some Noise". Barney should be being quiet and moody, maybe telling the soundman to F**k off or something. New Order don't do encores, someone should remind them.

Sorry, but they should have quit while they were ahead, after Technique, or maybe Republic (at a push). They are now no longer important or cool and I prefer my memories the way they were.

So why do I keep going to see them? It feels like duty I guess, but I will definitely not be going again.

They were the best band on the planet but now they are just another bunch of aging rockers.

sorry for the negative first post - will try to be more positive in future!!

i'll have your tickets anytime.

Dont think you're alone mate.

I remember when they had cool fans too..

yeah they're fucked now, i agree. who wants fuckin shadowplay. turn it in lads.

and how anyone could dance like a beaut down the front is beyond me too.

It doesn't sit too easy with me either. But as long as Hooky's bass is far too loud and Barney says something mental every now and then, I can deal with it.

Never sure about turning one of the last laments of a tortured soul into a party anthem with whoops and c'mons, and never will be.

Blunderer wrote: New Order don't do encores, someone should remind them.

Are you Diggy Mike in disguise?

Chris Nash wrote: I only go for the beers and a night out

spot on!

Ive only seen New Order live twice and hated is not a world i would use. More like: enjoyed entertained laughed moved sung touched amused rocked LOVED!

I saw New Order in Blackpool last week and have to say the gig was every bit as good as the last ones Ive been too, including Liverpool. Overheard a bloke in the pub last night say to his mate why did they switch Hearsay off the juke box! If this is what people are wanting to listen to now and going to see in concert then I will stick with New Order however many times the same setlist is played!!!!

Well I for one have enjoyed the gigs and i even managed a little dance to Blue Monday.

We have all grown older, what's Barney to do now keep drinking a bottle of Perniod each night?

Roll on Friday and meeting up again with the usual suspects :D

Hey, I have to agree with Digital Mike and the others, every day we get older, we cannot help but change as we age... What are they supposed to do, just go away or die? I have seen them in their moody grouchy depressed days (Republic tour), and I think the concerts are much more fun and entertaining now, allbeit more "mainstream".

They are too established and well-known to be "cool" now, but hey, I think they should get out there and play there incredible catalogue of songs to whomever wants to see them. Just my 2¢ :-)

Robert Roy wrote: Hey, I have to agree with Digital Mike and the others, every day we get older, we cannot help but change as we age... What are they supposed to do, just go away or die? I have seen them in their moody grouchy depressed days (Republic tour), and I think the concerts are much more fun and entertaining now, allbeit more "mainstream".

They are too established and well-known to be "cool" now, but hey, I think they should get out there and play there incredible catalogue of songs to whomever wants to see them. Just my 2¢ :-)

I totally agree, I think these gigs are the best gigs they have played since the 80's, you can't go back in time, we're all older (and wiser) but we can all still have a great time down at the front!

El Jarvo wrote:

Blunderer wrote: The last couple of times I have seen New Order I have found it a profoundly depressing experience. The comeback gig at the Appollo was brilliant, like meeting old friends again but since then I have seen them at MEN Arena twice, Liverpool and Blackpool and my enjoyment has diminished with each gig. Now it is like watching kareoke.

I thought New Order fans weren't supposed to give a fcuk?!

Are you a stowdent?

Or, worse, a Goff?

If he was a goff, wouldn't he find a 'profoundly depressing experience' good?

It's all perspective. "Different" isn't always bad.

Now ... "never have", that's bad. I had my chance for Salt Lake City in '89 and missed it. I have to live with that.

Be thankful for what you have - not what you have not. They won't be to Boise until summer '07. Imagine the pain of waiting that long!

Since 1985,I've seen them 14 times,8 since the '98 comeback,which in terms of probably quite a lot of NOOLers,isn' a lot,& Ive said before on here that the gig at Man Apollo 2001 was like watching a cabaret act( it's like being in the British Legion in Salford this),devoid of any mystery,aloofness,attitude etc,etc whatsoever.My point is that,in these past 8 times,it's a case of diminishing returns enjoyment wise but....I still fucking love them.& all the plaudits that come their way & the rock'n'roll attitude that comes out on stage,fucking good,they deserve it.& as for not being cool or relevant anymore,they will always be cool & relevant for as long as their music exists.So as much as I have sympathy to the original posters' point & agree in part,it has perspective

Its an addiction, just like coke

LE Roberts wrote: It's all perspective. "Different" isn't always bad.

Now ... "never have", that's bad. I had my chance for Salt Lake City in '89 and missed it. I have to live with that.

Be thankful for what you have - not what you have not. They won't be to Boise until summer '07. Imagine the pain of waiting that long!

Virgin! I knew it.

:\pimp3:

You leave only two options: "be out of sight or be cool as you used to be". I've lived so many years without them being around that I'm glad they're back together and produce new music.

Virgin! I knew it.

As transparent as they come!

Not as cool as they were, should pack it in, has beens, blah blah...

Nostalgia is a wonderful thing but it's not the old gigs you hanker after at all - it's being young and less miserable that you miss.

What a pissy suggestion that a band should give up their jobs (and therefore a good percentage of their income) just because some twat thinks they're not cool any more.

Fuck off and don't come to any more gigs. The last thing we want is to listen to some miserable twat moaning all the way through the gig.

Fuck off and don't come to any more gigs. The last thing we want is to listen to some miserable twat moaning all the way through the gig.

Yeah stay away Liam

NOT being able to watch them between end of 93 and apollo 98 is what I HATED. (between 90-93, I was having the time of my life :winks: so probably didn't notice too much.)

You won't hear me complain.

Biggy, before you say it.........I will go to the bar during toothache however :laughs:

Everyone is allowed to dislike one (1) song.

They are not allowed to go on about it though, just quietly repair to the bar for the duration of that song.

And mine is a large one

Blackpool was my fist New Order gig....And it was well worth the wait. I LOVED it and I'm definitely up for doing more on the next tour.

I really don't understand the point of doing something that you don't enjoy and then moaning about it...unless it's work or obligation? Life it too short... just do something else that you enjoy and stop moaning.

Minx wrote:

Blackpool was my fist New Order gig....And it was well worth the wait. I LOVED it and I'm definitely up for doing more on the next tour.

I really don't understand the point of doing something that you don't enjoy and then moaning about it...unless it's work or obligation? Life it too short... just do something else that you enjoy and stop moaning.

You have no other gigs to compare it to, Minx. Besides first NO gigs are always fantastic.

For me, they were rough at B'mouth, although it might have been down to other factors such as the venue, the lack of the 'special gig' promised etc.

They can always redeem themselves tomorrow though in a giant aircraft hangar.

Burt Reynolds wrote:

Minx wrote:

Blackpool was my fist New Order gig....And it was well worth the wait. I LOVED it and I'm definitely up for doing more on the next tour.

I really don't understand the point of doing something that you don't enjoy and then moaning about it...unless it's work or obligation? Life it too short... just do something else that you enjoy and stop moaning.

You have no other gigs to compare it to, Minx. Besides first NO gigs are always fantastic.

For me, they were rough at B'mouth, although it might have been down to other factors such as the venue, the lack of the 'special gig' promised etc.

They can always redeem themselves tomorrow though in a giant aircraft hangar'

True I have no other New Order gigs to compare it to, but if I hadn't enjoyed it I wouldn't go and do it all over again and then sign up to a fan site and complain about it in one of my very first posts....

If i was pushed into a corner Minx, I'd probably agree with the poster, to a point. He probably has a huge amount of gig 'history' with New Order, and is in pain, after seeing some classic performances in the eighties. Some of this maybe down to exuberant youth, great drugs, perfect alcohol intake levels, a fantastic shag pre or post gig, a big bonus from the boss the might before and possibly a great deal of hindsight. Who knows. But I for one understand the angle he's coming from, to a degree. You used the word 'obligation' in your post, and for some of us it still is. As has been said before, 'its in the blood'.

However.. the bastards constantly surprise me, just with less frequency, and I'm hoping they pop up and do that tomorrow, starting with a rather different and less programmed setlist. A new classic hit single would be nice too, debuted tomorrow.

Love is the air that supports the piglet...

Snorri xxx

Back in 2001, I didn't bother with Liverpool and all those, I only did the one Brixton, and that was a last minute decision. Reason being that I had become so disillusioned with it all, having not seen them since 89 at Birmingham NEC, and when they were on TV doing Crystal it just made me feel quite sad, the "having to bring in the likes of Corgan and Gillespie to help sell Get Ready" episode and the general apparent deterioration in everything just out me off. Then, talking to the guys on here somehow rekindled the fires. It's not the same as it was before, no way, it is totally different, but no less of an experience. I rather like the current era now!

oldmonkey wrote: Back in 2001, I didn't bother with Liverpool and all those, I only did the one Brixton, and that was a last minute decision. Reason being that I had become so disillusioned with it all, having not seen them since 89 at Birmingham NEC, and when they were on TV doing Crystal it just made me feel quite sad, the "having to bring in the likes of Corgan and Gillespie to help sell Get Ready" episode and the general apparent deterioration in everything just out me off. Then, talking to the guys on here somehow rekindled the fires. It's not the same as it was before, no way, it is totally different, but no less of an experience. I rather like the current era now!

Nail struck on head nicely, Tim CTB

And last night just went to prove how fucking good this band still is. One of the best ever, I'd say, and that's at least two absolute belters in the last couple of weeks.

Burt Reynolds wrote: However.. the bastards constantly surprise me, just with less frequency, and I'm hoping they pop up and do that tomorrow, starting with a rather different and less programmed setlist.

That, they certainly did. All is forgiven.

Well predicted, Burt - the only thing lacking was the all-new hit single... Assume noone tried to take up Barney's offer of a refund then...

Snorri xxx

Digital Mike -The People's Moderator wrote:

Fuck off and don't come to any more gigs. The last thing we want is to listen to some miserable twat moaning all the way through the gig.

Yeah stay away Liam

So far only been to 2 NO gigs - Liverpool and Blackpool. Blackpool absolutely blew me away, far better than Liverpool and I loved pretty much every minute of it

But it's unstandable that people are gutted after seeing NO back in the day - some of those concerts sound sublime

christ it pisses me off to see new order slagged so. anything they do they get slagged from some quarters. they cant win! just remember what they have given to us as jo/no. i still remember early shitty gigs, but still enjoyed the experience.

you cannot recreate your youth and neither can they. FFS its not a bad recent setlist is it? ok and we can want for IALP, age of consent, EGG, fine time!!! turn the heater on.. etc oh a rant is starting but i will stop. Enjoy what they are still giving or dont bother

It's pretty easy really, if you don't like the gigs don't go. I thought Blackpool was great as was MEN and I hope they carry on for a long time yet. It was a shit feeling in 93 when I thought I'd seen my last NO gig. Oh and it's not my 1st post I just can't remember PW or even what email address I used, not cool I know but there you have it.

I JUST DON'T LIKE THEIR fans!

when to the big top gig in liverpool and thought that was good but went to london last friday and it was the best set they have played for years ( didnt like the venue though and the people in the seats didnt hardly get up at all but the standing contingent had a good night )

Am surprised the originator of this thread has'nt contributed on here much before given their experience of being a fan for so long and their attendance at seminal gigs.

Like every other band they are not too hot live at times. In the last few years they have introduced a range of JD songs to their gigs. They have performed a number of really good songs from Get Ready & WFTSC. They perform for longer, they do encores. There is a friendlier tone on stage. They have sometimes included guests on stage. They have supported Manchester vs Charity and collaborated with other Manc. artists live.

In my view they are considerably more interesting live than in the 1980's.

Oh yeah, sorry about the "come on" outbreak on Saturday, Jim's fault, he started it! Was only 5 though I think!

david ball wrote: christ it pisses me off to see new order slagged so. anything they do they get slagged from some quarters. they cant win! just remember what they have given to us as jo/no. i still remember early shitty gigs, but still enjoyed the experience.

you cannot recreate your youth and neither can they. FFS its not a bad recent setlist is it? ok and we can want for IALP, age of consent, EGG, fine time!!! turn the heater on.. etc oh a rant is starting but i will stop. Enjoy what they are still giving or dont bother

Abso-fucking-lutely!!!

mark kelly wrote:

david ball wrote: christ it pisses me off to see new order slagged so. anything they do they get slagged from some quarters. they cant win! just remember what they have given to us as jo/no. i still remember early shitty gigs, but still enjoyed the experience.

you cannot recreate your youth and neither can they. FFS its not a bad recent setlist is it? ok and we can want for IALP, age of consent, EGG, fine time!!! turn the heater on.. etc oh a rant is starting but i will stop. Enjoy what they are still giving or dont bother

Abso-fucking-lutely!!!

totally agree, they've done their time. Maybe some people would prefer 8 songs, no banter, no encore.

Mark - spot on son you speak for the Villa Chosen Few. I went to Wembley and they rocked that sh*tty shack a treat. Wolves was sheer pleasure. I'll still tun up, I owe them that at least. Fine Times in return. Seems like a good bargain to me.

Mission Fan - I've seen ya, dressed in black, pickin you're f'in noses, what we want is New Order fans! Quite

Salford 5 maaaaaaaaaan wrote: Mark - spot on son you speak for the Villa Chosen Few. I went to Wembley and they rocked that sh*tty shack a treat. Wolves was sheer pleasure. I'll still tun up, I owe them that at least. Fine Times in return. Seems like a good bargain to me.

Mission Fan - I've seen ya, dressed in black, pickin you're f'in noses, what we want is New Order fans! Quite

I am the original poster.

I am not slagging off New Order, I appreciate they have bills to pay.

I am commenting on the fact that as an aging fan, I get little or no enjoyment from gigs any more.

To those of you who say "Well f**K off then", I am doing, that is my point. I won't be going again.

However, they were the best band on the planet.

Blunderer wrote: I am the original poster.

I am not slagging off New Order, I appreciate they have bills to pay.

I am commenting on the fact that as an aging fan, I get little or no enjoyment from gigs any more.

To those of you who say "Well f**K off then", I am doing, that is my point. I won't be going again.

However, they were the best band on the planet.

The old adage springs to mind...

Some do, some don't,so fuck.

You'll be back

Well, Im an old NO fan as well, since 1985. Saw them live in 1988, in Rio de Janeiro. And at that time there was that saying: "they dont do encores, they dont play Blue Monday". Well, actually, that day they did both and I liked!!! So, I think it depends on the fan.

It ain't the same as Birmingham Tower Ballroom 86 but it's still a good crack

Blunderer wrote: I am the original poster.

I am not slagging off New Order, I appreciate they have bills to pay.

I am commenting on the fact that as an aging fan, I get little or no enjoyment from gigs any more.

To those of you who say "Well f**K off then", I am doing, that is my point. I won't be going again.

However, they were the best band on the planet.

sounds like slagging. I saw them twice in 2002 and they were great. i wish i could see them more often.

They're still way beyond almost anyone else live and I can say that after seeing them live many times over twenty years and seeing dozens of bands dozens of times too.

Their worst gig is still beyond the best almost any other band can deliver. They've a unique presence and leagacy of just stunning songs. If you're not enjoying it - and it is different to the halcyon days of yore - that's fine and it's your feeling. I will always love them and will see them as often as I can until they call it a day.

If YOUR SILENT FACE and BLT still makes the hairs on the back of neck stand up live,then I think they haven't lost it.Can we have FINE TIME like you played in 1998 lads? Please,please,please with fcuking sugar on top.

I'm agreeing with Tim on this one.

It is like being married to someone for 20 years, things aren't as exciting as they were in the early days, but you still love them - probably even more - and you put up with their bad habits. Those who don't go for the 'divorce' option.

Ness Order wrote: I'm agreeing with Tim on this one.

It is like being married to someone for 20 years, things aren't as exciting as they were in the early days, but you still love them - probably even more - and you put up with their bad habits. Those who don't go for the 'divorce' option.

Well that's me RULED out of being a FAN then!

ROCKET MICK wrote:

Ness Order wrote: I'm agreeing with Tim on this one.

It is like being married to someone for 20 years, things aren't as exciting as they were in the early days, but you still love them - probably even more - and you put up with their bad habits. Those who don't go for the 'divorce' option.

Well that's me RULED out of being a FAN then!

No, it means the band are your wife substitute

Well the four gigs I have attended in the last year ( OMG 1 year ago i'd never seen them, having loved them for 20 years...what a tit), have been seriously hard at times....Bournemouth and the Apollo (which nearly killed me) particularly.

And they were worth it. Standing at the back of the apollo, white as a sheet, having spent 30 mins being very sick.....but with tears streaming down my face as Barney played in a bit of TPK over the end of BM....worth it.

The amsing folks u meet are just a bonus.

Course they aren't what they were....but they still piss on everyone else.

I have been a lifelong fan since unknown pleasures, so as dr johnson once said

when you're tired of new order then you are tired of life

Ness Order wrote:

ROCKET MICK wrote:

Ness Order wrote: I'm agreeing with Tim on this one.

It is like being married to someone for 20 years, things aren't as exciting as they were in the early days, but you still love them - probably even more - and you put up with their bad habits. Those who don't go for the 'divorce' option.

Well that's me RULED out of being a FAN then!

No, it means the band are your wife substitute

Fcuk em

Monty Does Dallas wrote: If YOUR SILENT FACE and BLT still makes the hairs on the back of neck stand up live,then I think they haven't lost it.Can we have FINE TIME like you played in 1998 lads? Please,please,please with fcuking sugar on top.

If they ever play Fine Time I will leave the venue. My god that 'song' is awful

i've only seen them four times and the first time (denver, 1989) was brilliant. the last three times have been recently (since 2001) and they were nowhere near as good, but new order still beat most bands that are out there and, given the chance, i'd see them again and again. there hasn't been a time when i haven't enjoyed myself, even if they weren't up to '80s standards.

Uncle Liam wrote:

Monty Does Dallas wrote: If YOUR SILENT FACE and BLT still makes the hairs on the back of neck stand up live,then I think they haven't lost it.Can we have FINE TIME like you played in 1998 lads? Please,please,please with fcuking sugar on top.

If they ever play Fine Time I will leave the venue. My god that 'song' is awful

That Liam is because "Your much too young". At the time that song blew most shit away, if you were emmersed in Acid house as i was & to hear your 'fave' band do a track of such stature was electrifying, believe me.

In someparts I agree last two times I have seen them I felt that maybe the song choice was poor. Both at the Apollo Manchester last year and the Carling Glasgow they came owt with Shadowplay. Hookys bass sound no longer suits this Classic and Barney's singing certainly doesn't suit either.

I would love to hear Age of Consent back in the set list, and a song or two off technique. Even a surprise from Movement, and Theives Like us, lonsesome tonight, etc etc. Much rather here these songs than some of the er newer material.

So glad that they do Your Silent Face, and as for Temptation thats worth cost of the ticket alone. Temptation is the New Order Live song, it's a highlight of every live show for me.

I have been seeing this band since Plato's Ballroom, Liverpool in Feb 81, and will never give up seeing them. It's just like going out to see your mates you used to hang out with, and recalling the good old days.

One of the Best gigs I attended was the Barrowlands in feb 85 I think it was, all the equipment was going wrong with songs breaking down and false starts, but the crowd were amazing that night, I have it on a quality recording, you can here a drink flung by some muppet in the Crowd hit one of Steve's Cymbals while Barney was just closing the opening segment of the melodica in Your Silent Face. He then said "Behave you B'stards, next time make sure there's something in it" Then straight away started the song "C#nt that never changes, remains a stupid Tw#t". A classic, now those were the days.

i'm agree with NOOLigan, Barney Army, mark kelly, Diamond White and Digi Mike Binoche... i have my first NO gig in a week,i've been waiting for it for so many years.. and i won´t mess it up about yo say.

i hope to tell you cool things after the concert!!

the are the best band on earth!!

Blunderer wrote: I am the original poster.

I am not slagging off New Order, I appreciate they have bills to pay.

I am commenting on the fact that as an aging fan, I get little or no enjoyment from gigs any more.

To those of you who say "Well f**K off then", I am doing, that is my point. I won't be going again.

However, they were the best band on the planet.

Fair enough everyone is entitled to an opinion.

I still think it takes a very odd type of person to go to the effort to find a fan-site set up an account and log in just to winge and say I won't be going again.

It was a top night and they truly delivered the goods.

It's one of the things I've always loved about them: how they can be awful and brilliant during the same gig and sometimes during the same song! I like to contrast them with one of my other true loves, Kraftwerk. Kraftwerk are the total opposite live: immaculate, seamless precision with 0.0000000001% chance of anything fucking up technically, Hutter daring to alter a lyric or speak a profanity, the setlist never changes during a tour etc. When the Order say if they fuck up it's punk rock they're dead right and somehow it's that the idea they might be both brilliant and total shit during a gig on any given night that keeps it fresh and real for me.

Naughty chappie that I am, I found a BBC telly session they did in 84 on a site the other day. The bloke who uploaded it said they'd been in St.Austell (Cornwall) gigging the night before and were on tour so were then obliged to drive up to London to do the session. It was a bank holiday and they got stuck in a jam. As a result they arrived late and had twenty minutes to setup before they went live so the set had to be changed. Somehow they were magnificent although the frustration that some gear didn't work well and the hassle of it all came through in their performance. I've rarely seen Barney in such a foul temper.

It's never going to be as it was. They're older, they've less to prove and they've come a long way. If you feel they no longer cut it for you, don't bother going to see them. I'm sure you can find a use for the ticket money. To me they're still the business. Their uniqueness is what keeps me nuts about them!

Ps Not dissing our friends across the pond here but it's likely that not that many saw them live before True Faith enslaved MTV. If you thought they were awkward live after then, it was not a patch on what they were like before!

Minx wrote:

Blunderer wrote: I am the original poster.

I am not slagging off New Order, I appreciate they have bills to pay.

I am commenting on the fact that as an aging fan, I get little or no enjoyment from gigs any more.

To those of you who say "Well f**K off then", I am doing, that is my point. I won't be going again.

However, they were the best band on the planet.

Fair enough everyone is entitled to an opinion.

I still think it takes a very odd type of person to go to the effort to find a fan-site set up an account and log in just to winge and say I won't be going again.

If you read the board you will see I have contributed lots of memories of New Order over the last couple of weeks, actually, Minx.

One of my postings, this one, is lamenting the fact that I get little enjoyment from seeing them these days.

I am just being honest. If this was my only post then your comments would be valid, but it is not.

Blunderer wrote:

Minx wrote:

Blunderer wrote: I am the original poster.

I am not slagging off New Order, I appreciate they have bills to pay.

I am commenting on the fact that as an aging fan, I get little or no enjoyment from gigs any more.

To those of you who say "Well f**K off then", I am doing, that is my point. I won't be going again.

However, they were the best band on the planet.

Fair enough everyone is entitled to an opinion.

I still think it takes a very odd type of person to go to the effort to find a fan-site set up an account and log in just to winge and say I won't be going again.

If you read the board you will see I have contributed lots of memories of New Order over the last couple of weeks, actually, Minx.

One of my postings, this one, is lamenting the fact that I get little enjoyment from seeing them these days.

I am just being honest. If this was my only post then your comments would be valid, but it is not.

i think you've made your point. move on.

Move on?

I was defending myself after being called "odd".

This thread is one of the busiest ones in recent weeks on the forum, so some people are interested in its content.

Move on yourself if you are not interested in what I have to say.

Blunderer wrote: Move on?

I was defending myself after being called "odd".

This thread is one of the busiest ones in recent weeks on the forum, so some people are interested in its content.

Move on yourself if you are not interested in what I have to say.

the answer is simple don't go to gigs. so don't keep a harping on how you no longer enjoy gigs. no point stating the same point on and on. most of us disagree with you.

Blunderer wrote: If you read the board you will see I have contributed lots of memories of New Order over the last couple of weeks, actually, Minx.

One of my postings, this one, is lamenting the fact that I get little enjoyment from seeing them these days.

I am just being honest. If this was my only post then your comments would be valid, but it is not.

Move on?

I was defending myself after being called "odd".

This thread is one of the busiest ones in recent weeks on the forum, so some people are interested in its content.

Move on yourself if you are not interested in what I have to say.

I was merely stating my opinion; And as I have said, you are entitled to your opinion as much as I am to mine.(which is that I find it an odd thing to do) I do read the boards...be an even odder thing to log on and not do that

I also note that you have had a flurry of posting today bringing you to the grand total of 26...... Have a badge to celebrate, sure you can buy a nice shiny one with the money you'll be saving not going to any more new order gigs

Blunderer - you might try logging onto anti-neworderonline.com You'll be much more at home there.

Minx wrote:

Blunderer wrote: Move on?

I was defending myself after being called "odd".

This thread is one of the busiest ones in recent weeks on the forum, so some people are interested in its content.

Move on yourself if you are not interested in what I have to say.

I was merely stating my opinion and as I have said you are entitled to your opinion as much as I am to mine.(which is that I find it an odd thing to do)

I also note that you have had a flurry of posting today bringing you to the grand total of 26...... Have a badge to celebrate, sure you can buy a nice shiny one with the money you'll be saving not going to any more new order gigs

that wouldn't be a vikings badge would it?

Out of interest Blunderbuss Have you replied to any threads that you haven't started yourself

God, an attack from the "Vikings"

I repeat....this thread stimulated an interesting debate....that's why I posted it.....most understood it loud and clear. And the reason I joined the forum is that I have enjoyed reminiscing about the past on here with the "Old Skool" posters.

Sorry if I haven't got as many posts to my name as you, "Minx". I must try harder in future. How many do I need before you will stop calling me horrible names?

I agree with the poster who said that they're better than just about every other band out there. I didn't get a chance to see NO back in the day (though I wish I had) but the few times I've seen them they've brought the house down. People change, I can't say from experience what they were like but they're still pretty damn fine in my opinion!

your lucky you saw them in their days of being a cult band

i've seen them once at manc v. cancer

and well they blew me away

they sound so much better now

but i do prefer live tracks from before my days when the equipment would break down

but when they played Ceremony they had the whole areana going even the mums but they do a poor version of she's lost control

there is no point wishing to be in some sort of musical historical nostalgia. new order have brought such a range music to us. enjoy it all, if not.. fuck off