CARDIFF CITY SOUL CREW - BOOK
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Originally posted by Dufford Charleywood Any-one read it yet 'NEW ORDER' get a few mentions as the Football Hooligans choice band.
Can't say I have, not being a football hooligan.
Yeah, I noticed the first half of the book mentioned the Order a few times, but didn't expand on it. Interesting that the first (older - about 36/37?) lad was into the Order then got wrapped up in the whole Acid House scene, whereas the second (younger - 28?) lad could only bang on about the Roses and O-bloody-asis.
You don't have to be 'Hooligan' to enjoy the book.Football,fashion and music are cut from the same cloth.Any-way Cardiff here we come....
Originally posted by Dufford Charleywood You don't have to be 'Hooligan' to enjoy the book.Football,fashion and music are cut from the same cloth.Any-way Cardiff here we come....
Spot fookin on.
Bought this a few weeks ago but haven't got round to picking it up yet, any good?. I suddenly feel motivated towards it.
Yes it's a good read both Newport County and the famous C.F.C get good write up's[both well deserved] enjoy.
I've read it, but it didn't impress me greatly. I'm no shrinking violet and I've witnessed some scrapes in my time, but the only time I have ever felt intimidated at a football match was this season at Ninian Park. Fifty-odd blokes down each side of the away pen, and all they did was stare at us for 90 minutes..never looked at the game once. Then on the way out, a policeman (not a steward, but an officer of the law) tells us to get straight in our car and not to stop until we're over the Severn Bridge. Kind of makes you believe that they don't quite have control of the situation.
On the other side of the coin, I had mixed feelings about going to Millwall when we played them in the Worthington Cup last season. When we scored first it got ugly for a couple of seconds, but a quick chorus of "We're gonna get our fucking heads kicked in" got them laughing.
There's better books on the subject. The BBC book for one, and any of the Chelsea stuff. Cass Pennant's new book is out now too, I believe, which should be a cracker of a read. Especially for anyone who remembers the 'Hooligan' documentary on the ICF in 1985.
The Cardiff book just seemed to gloss over stuff too quickly - the two lads included could surely have done a book each and put in far more detail. eg the last chapter of the older lad's section (the one who was into the Order) where he suddenly got into Acid House and was still promoting dance events ten years later. All in about 500 words. Pointless.
Having a vested interest in this, people should perhaps have a look at the play-off spots in this seasons Div.2 race. Stoke vs. Cardiff, at Millenium stadium, in play off final a distinct possibility. Wouldn't want to be a copper that day.
Book sounds good, though: is it interviews with Cardiff fans? I didn't realise they could speak.......
Up The Potters!
IT'S GONNA BE BUSY TIME IN CARDIFF IN MAY' PLAY-OFFS,F.A CUP' I'LL BE THERE CHEERING THE FAMOUS C.F.C ON...
Not read many football hoolie books apart from one of the first ones which was written by an Arsenal fan and there was also one about the Aberdeen Soccer Casuals in the late 80's.
Given that Blues, Millwall, Burnley and possible W*lv*s are likey to make the play-offs this season I would suspect that the sales of Burberry, Stone Island and Aquascutum will go through the roof - its like 1985 all over again in the current casual fashion stakes.
Given that Wolves have - touchwood - blown automatic promotion, I'd just like to share my theory that there were in fact ELEVEN commandments when Moses came down from the mountain, and the eleventh (which got chipped off somewhere along the way) was: WOLVERHAMPTON WANDERERS SHALT NEVER BE PROMOTED TO TOP-FLIGHT ENGLISH FOOTBALL. OH NO, NOT EVER.
Praise be.
Ahmen to that...
Though I can't be too confident given Blues recent track record in play-off games.
Originally posted by Mickey Way Not read many football hoolie books apart from one of the first ones which was written by an Arsenal fan and there was also one about the Aberdeen Soccer Casuals in the late 80's.
You're thinking of Jay Allen's "Bloody Casuals" and probably Colin Ward's "Steaming In".
The BBC book by Steve Cowens is probably the best of the current crop as it goes from the Casual early 80's, right the way through the 90's.
Read a Bristol Rovers (of all things!) book recently and it was set in the 70's so couldn't really relate to it but the fella was OBSESSED with music and fashion and wrote fairly well so was very entertaining thoughout..
NEXT TUESDAY [ST GEORGE'S DAY] 10-PM CHANNEL 4, ALL ABOUT CROWD TROUBLE AT FOOTBALL MATCHES[LOOKS GOOD].
I've always wondered what the terrace dandy was wearing in the 70's?
Flared jeans and star jumpers with a scarf wrapped round your wrist?!
The first time I came across any trouble at matches was on my ninth birthday in the very late 70's and people seemed to have progressed to Harringtons and Fred Perry's by this stage.
They had the lot in the 70's - wing collars and flares, Clockwork Orange boiler suits with top hats and umbrellas, butcher's coats, Bay City Roller tartans, donkey jackets, punks, then skins.
All of which were, basically, sh*te.
Originally posted by El Jarvo Clockwork Orange boiler suits with top hats and umbrellas, butcher's coats, Bay City Roller tartans, donkey jackets, punks, then skins.All of which were, basically, sh*te.
The boiler suits?, as worn by Millwall's F Troup.
Flicked through the Soul Crew book last night, excellent pics of Cardiff-ManU from 74/75, all kitted out in full on Bay City Roller gear. Sounded like it was about 10,000-a-side.
Liked the Jay Allen book, that was the first one of it's kind I read. The BBC book is full of shite IMHO. Their run ins with Leeds are well embellished & how come they had cock all of a rep throughout the last 20 years?. That said, got a Millwall mate, who used to do loads of England away & got to know some Blades very well - said they were a good set of lads.
Just had me 'Your Order has FINALLY been delivered' e-mail through from amazon for Cass Pennant's latest.
Bound to be the pick of the bunch.
Remind me to lend you that Leeds-ManYoo footage, JG. ;)
What with this thread and yesterdays earliest memories one, anyone remember a t.v. programme called 'Rocky O'Rourke'? could be stretchig the grey cells a bit, think it came out mid seventies. He had the archetypal scally look at the time, checked bomber jacket with fake fur collar, longish hair, and flares.
Originally posted by Hank Wiseass© What with this thread and yesterdays earliest memories one, anyone remember a t.v. programme called 'Rocky O'Rourke'? could be stretchig the grey cells a bit, think it came out mid seventies. He had the archetypal scally look at the time, checked bomber jacket with fake fur collar, longish hair, and flares.
Wasn't that a Kids show?
Best thing to come out of the 'pool was "One Summer". Classic English TV. With a bit of Scouse violence chucked in. ;)
I have to agree on the BBC[Sheffield Utd] book,i don't think they admit they got done at all[apart from the F.A Cup in 92'in Camden] so it sounded like another 'Super-Firm' bollox.'Steaming In' by Colin Ward was pretty accurate and honest,just like 'Guvnors' by Mickey Francis, anyway come on ENGLAND'
Originally posted by El Jarvo > Originally posted by Hank Wiseass©> What with this thread and yesterdays earliest memories one, anyone remember a t.v. programme called 'Rocky O'Rourke'? could be stretchig the grey cells a bit, think it came out mid seventies. He had the archetypal scally look at the time, checked bomber jacket with fake fur collar, longish hair, and flares.
Wasn't that a Kids show?
Best thing to come out of the 'pool was "One Summer". Classic English TV. With a bit of Scouse violence chucked in. ;)
'One Summer' was indeed a classic. Wish they'd re run Billy & Icky's adventures. Always remember them running away from home to a remote part of Wales which Icky knew & reckoned was 'sound la'. Turned out it had been a school camping trip & of course there were fuck all tents there this time, in fact fuck all anything. Billy gave him a right bollocking.
This was closely matched by 'Scully'. Elvis Costello's 'Paint the Town Red' was the themetune. Typical Channel 4 quality programming from about 1983-85.
Anyone remember Ear Say ? another Channel 4 offering from the same era. Good show apart from that irritating Cockney wanker who presented it. Gary Crowley I think from GLR.
No offense London types ;)
Anyone rember that C4 comedy/drama round the same time with a young Ray Winstone and mate ducking and a diving round the smoke ?
Originally posted by Awaydays by Colin Sampson and Parklife by Nick Varley are both a good
Awaydays - great shout, plenty of JD references in this an all. Loved this book, all about Tranmere Scallies & set in the Liverpool - Chester area, my old stomping ground so could relate to some of the places. Isn't Kevin Sampson the ex manager of The Farm?
Nick Varley!! fookin ell, you are quite right, Parklife is a good read (5 stars in Four Four Two) & I know why you like it, loads of LUFC refs in it on account of Nick being a big Leeds fan. He's also a good mate of mine, went to Villa together on Saturday. He'll piss himself when I tell him he's been namechecked in this place. We were in a boozer before the game, with him trying to tell me that The Smiths were better than New Order in the 80s & that REM were better than the pair of 'em. Fook off I said.:D
These days he's the editor of icons.com, which hosts players web sites. He was up at Melwood (Liverpool's training ground) last Friday interviewing Riise. After meeting him on arrival, Riise excused himself for 5 mins, then proceeded to play Pool for the next 2 1/2 hours with whoever was about while Nick waited patiently for him. The bloke is a total arse & openly tells people that Liverpool is just a stepping stone (subconscious Farm ref - sic) for him before he goes to Real Madrid! Good mates with Hyppia, rest of the players don't want to know.
Awaydays is just fiction though. Kevin Sampson's Extra Time's a decent read, for fact rather than fiction, although it's not a hoolie book. If you want footie fiction, you can't go wrong with John King. The original, and the best.
JG, I just happen to have "One Summer" on video too!
WHo were those two bald geezers who wrote hooligan books a couple of years back - they weren't too bad...Watford fans I think (soz Jarvo).
One of my flatmates is a Cardiff fan (when ManU are playing shit anyway). He went to Ninian park earlier in the season when they played Bristol City - apparently blokes were pissing into bottles and then chucking em at the City fans. Rank - particuarly as my mate had bought his dad and little brother along for the game...
On the subject of The Farm anyone remember 'The End' fanzine, I think Peter Hooton was involved. I remember their guide to the World Cup was hilarious, must have been the 86 world cup, not sure if it was nationwide or just local but definitely a quality read.
Originally posted by Seb Briggs WHo were those two bald geezers who wrote hooligan books a couple of years back - they weren't too bad...Watford fans I think (soz Jarvo). One of my flatmates is a Cardiff fan (when ManU are playing shit anyway). He went to Ninian park earlier in the season when they played Bristol City - apparently blokes were pissing into bottles and then chucking em at the City fans. Rank - particuarly as my mate had bought his dad and little brother along for the game...
THE BROTHERS IN QUESTION ARE THE BRIMSTONE BOYS I THINK EDDIE AND ?...THEY WROTE BOOKS ABOUT FOLLOWING ENGLAND ABROAD...THE BOOKS ARE SLIGHTLY CONFUSING AS ONE MINUTE THEY CRITICISE VIOLENCE AND RACISM etc AND THEN IN THE NEXT CHAPTER THEY ENCOURAGE IT...I READ A COUPLE OF THE BOOKS ON HOLIDAY ONCE AND THEY MADE ME LAUGH MORE THAN ANYTHING..WHICH I DONT THINK WAS THERE PURPOSE....JARVO IS RIGHT THE KING TRILOGY OF BOOKS GET RIGHT INSIDE YOUR HEAD
THE OTHER ONE IS DOUGIE' A PAIR OF PLONKERS AT BEST[PEOPLE WRITE IN AND THEY INTERPRIT AND THEN PRINT IT. I MEAN WHAT THE FUCK HAVE 'WATFORD' DONE.....
Talk about rolling back the years, JG!
I remember at our school everyone going out and buying Adidas, Kappa and Patrick kagooles after watching Scully. Though this is a fashion that Happy Mondays continued well into the mid-80's!
Talking of Liverpool does anyone remember a series called Going Out which was about teens after they had just left school but was definately before the Making Out series?
I also remember Gary Crowley and Ear Say and I quite liked his cheeky chappie cockney persona!
Originally posted by Mickey Way Talk about rolling back the years, JG!I remember at our school everyone going out and buying Adidas, Kappa and Patrick kagooles after watching Scully. Though this is a fashion that Happy Mondays continued well into the mid-80's!Talking of Liverpool does anyone remember a series called Going Out which was about teens after they had just left school but was definately before the Making Out series?I also remember Gary Crowley and Ear Say and I quite liked his cheeky chappie cockney persona!
Are you sure you don't mean 'What now' If it's the one I'm thinking of, it had someone who went on to disgrace himself in 'Bread' and then played Gary's by now rather fat mate in that thing where Nichoals Lyndhurst went back to WW2. Theme tune went "What's gonna happen, What's gonna happen, oooh oooh, What Now!"
Not sure, but it was pretty good. I was about 14/15 at the time, probably about '83/'84 and it was on about 10pm on Channel 4 on a Thursday night or something.
You can't beat 'Johnny Jarvis' - BBC drama in 1984 featuring Mark Farmer.
Sadly, never repeated.
I've just remembered the violent bit in 'One Summer' it was under the rollercoaster at Southport fair. The bit when they go to Wales don't they feed bit's of a Mars bar to a chick?
I remember Josse's Giants. That was pap. DOn't think it had anything to do with hooligans though
Originally posted by Hank Wiseass© I've just remembered the violent bit in 'One Summer' it was under the rollercoaster at Southport fair. The bit when they go to Wales don't they feed bit's of a Mars bar to a chick?
There's a bit in One Summer where two gangs meet on an estate and Icky has to go into the middle to meet a lad from the other side, 'for a chat'. But then they realise the lad from the other side is a knifer, just as it's nearly too late. Think the knifer was played by one Ian Hart, who's gone on to a billion and one things - Harry Potter, This Year's Love, Michael Collins, Back Beat, etc.
Yeah, they feed Mars Bars to fledgling birds and they die!
Originally posted by Mickey Way Talk about rolling back the years, JG!I remember at our school everyone going out and buying Adidas, Kappa and Patrick kagooles after watching Scully. Though this is a fashion that Happy Mondays continued well into the mid-80's!Talking of Liverpool does anyone remember a series called Going Out which was about teens after they had just left school but was definately before the Making Out series?I also remember Gary Crowley and Ear Say and I quite liked his cheeky chappie cockney persona!
Great minds Mickey, great minds.
Bought a Nike Kagoul & Vilas Puma Trainers. Had Ivan Llendl trainers to begin with, then stepped up to Vilas 6 months later. Jose Marie Clerk Pumas were pretty smart too. The outfit was finished off with a pair of bleached Jeans.
I'm now waiting for the abuse to flow. Defo not revealing my hair style of that era.
Don't recall Going Out or What Now. Do recall Johnny Jarvis though, I think, is this the geezer who was so skint he cycled across London to get to work each day?
obviously I'm not as old as some of you old bastards
The most fashionable things I remember from my yoof - were Nike Division trainers (Adidas Kick were a poor substitute;) ) and Farrah school trousers
and can anyone remember those Pepe key-rings
Some twat from our school had about 50 of the fuckers!
Originally posted by Johnny Giles > Originally posted by Mickey Way> Talk about rolling back the years, JG!> > I remember at our school everyone going out and buying Adidas, Kappa and Patrick kagooles after watching Scully. Though this is a fashion that Happy Mondays continued well into the mid-80's!> > Talking of Liverpool does anyone remember a series called Going Out which was about teens after they had just left school but was definately before the Making Out series?> > I also remember Gary Crowley and Ear Say and I quite liked his cheeky chappie cockney persona!>
Great minds Mickey, great minds.
Bought a Nike Kagoul & Vilas Puma Trainers. Had Ivan Llendl trainers to begin with, then stepped up to Vilas 6 months later. Jose Marie Clerk Pumas were pretty smart too. The outfit was finished off with a pair of bleached Jeans.
I'm now waiting for the abuse to flow. Defo not revealing my hair style of that era.
Don't recall Going Out or What Now. Do recall Johnny Jarvis though, I think, is this the geezer who was so skint he cycled across London to get to work each day?
I don't recall Kappa being worn as early as that, not much before the time the USA olympic team had it in 84. Puma Vilas made your feet look massive. Adidas Palomas, the tan shoes were the bollocks in our school. Who ever bought anything by Australian with the Kangaroo motif? All there range seemed a bit crap to me and was stupifyingly 50% more expensive than everything else.I remember a lad I went the match with had an Australian tracksuit top, paid about £80.00 for it when Fila and Sergio Tachini were about £50.00 and that was about 6 months pocket money.
Funny, what with Australians and Borgs being mentioned as I believe the original (and the best) Diadora Borgs were made from Kangaroo! But they tried to re-issue them a couple of years back with little success cos they'd moved away from using 'roo leather and no one wanted to touch 'em.
Who said Lads ain't discerning?! ;)
All the trainer companies seem to be re-releasing the old skool trainers these days. A mate of mine has just bought some diadora borg elite (and i myself have have just puchased a pair of Adidas Forest Hills (with a very fetching gold sole !!)
