MLANH- "My Life Ain't No Holiday" wrote:
Stephen Smith wrote:
Foreign F**kwitt wrote:
Brotherhood is SOOO much better than Technique
IMO, yes. The general sound of Technique is polished indeed. Still it is well done and complete but then again it has never appealed to me as much as Brotherhood. I agree that Brotherhood is less (read: badly) produced but it's exactly what I like about New Order no matter how stupid it may sound. I'm a Movement/Low Life/Brotherhood fan and I get irritated when people slag them off. But I still think that Technique is a very appealing album although it sounds a bit dated at times. Dream Attack and Run are the only songs I ever listen to anymore
Who slags off Low-Life? Don't we all love it? I've always felt the only debate with Low-Life, is whether its #1, or #2 or #3 amongst their albums (usually #1 or #2). I am, however, a card carrying member of the "Movement sucks" contingent. It's an interesting period piece, transition, where you can feel the band moving about blindly trying to find their way to their sound without Ian, but it's not a very good album to me, most of the band, and to most critics at that time. I just cannot for the life of me understand why its loved by some. I don't see it at all. I can see that people who like rough production, might not appreciate the sleek qualities of Technique, I get that argument, even if I don't agree, but I just have never seen why there are devotees of Movement. It's such a disappointment to me, and is an album I tend to lose all the time because I so rarely listen to it, I only seem to listen to it when Im really depressed and really could use another fresh listen to, "here I am/in a house/full of doors/with no exits" sort of Ian-light lyrics that sometimes echo my own frustrations with life.
However, if you can get pleasure out of it, that's really whats important in the final analysis, I just wish I could find what you find in it, as it could then make for another New Order album I could love. Unfortunately it doesn't work that way for me. I just don't hear anything except a band that is lost, and confused, and not up to their full capacity yet when I hear it. Perhaps things would have been better if they'd waited to release their debut till '82, then it probably would have been stronger as by '82 they seemed to be picking up steam and getting what their "sound" really was.
You know Movement really sort of falls between a rock and a hard place. Joy Division fans slag it off because it's like JD in some ways, but not nearly as perfected as the "formula" was Ian. Ian-lite is a good way to describe it. New Order fans, on the other hand, slag it off because it's not representative of the electronic dance club happy-sad formula that the band would perfect on the subsequent album and on temptation and blue monday. I think that Movement is great for when you are in the mood for it. It's a bit faster and a little poppier than Joy Division, yet it's not poppy enough to fit in with the rest of New Order's catalogue. I still think it's solid, and other than the song Peter Hook sings on it, I think it's a good collection of songs. Keep in mind where the band was in their career at the time. Ian just killed himself. The band before that was known to make dark gothy postpunk which was often depressing, half of the time slow (see the first half of Unknown Pleasures), and instrumentally meloncholic. A band doesn't go from that to "THE VILLAGE" overnight. Movement represents the necessary step to the natural progression that New Order took in developing their music to be what it eventually became.
J
WTF? Movement and poppy in the same sentence?, yes I know you said poppier than JD but still. Movement IMHO is pure New Order raincoat brigade era greatness (you had to be there son). You'll find that Hooky sings on both DNE & DEH. The album was recorded almost a year after Ian's death so plenty of time to 'get over it'!!!
Cannot understand how people dislike the lp version of BLT in favour of the remixes? beggers belief.
Have to go with Tecnique as the better album.....by miles. Even with better production, Brotherhood is berift of classic songs other than BLT, AIIWIW. And I'm with Tim regarding Every Little Counts.
Talking about production, it's a pity that the band could'nt work with an album producer and decided to produce themselves after Hannett until 93. I think that it was needed especially PCL, Low-Life and Brotherhood.
too. Temptin.
Not sure what is more Scary. That it took less than a minute 
to track this Bizarre thread down. Or that I've gone and resurfaced it.
