HEATED DEBATE #2

"New Order are past it and should retire while they still have some respect"

Discuss.

Let's face it, New Order started with a dignity rating of 100, mostly inherited from Joy Division. Since then it's as if they've slowly but steadily lost that dignity year after year. I still think some of their music's good but the other side of NO that was just as important, the way they did things, is now down to zero as far as I'm concerned. You can list the things that have degraded - the sleeves, the set lists, miming, the 101 best of's, etc, etc. they used to be really special now they're just another band sadly. Mind you, I said the same thing in 1983 when I first heard Blue Monday - 'the bast**ds have totally sold out with this disco crap and now he's bloody dyed his hair blond and Hooky's is over his ears' !!!

Originally posted by ShugZV Major is bored, and drinking metholated spirits.........discuss

Yes, i am bored. But i'm actually drinking a cocktail of de-icer, brut and weedkiller.

Originally posted by Major Tarantino > Originally posted by ShugZV> Major is bored, and drinking metholated spirits.........discuss

Yes, i am bored. But i'm actually drinking a cocktail of de-icer, brut and weedkiller.

Austrian vintage Liebfraumilch if I`m not mistaken !! Ja Bitte Schon :D:

My vision is going blurry. I think i'm going to die.

What was the topic again?

I've had this argument/discussion already on a mailing list for Underworld, so I guess I can air my feelings on this topic. And I'm assuming that if you're posting on a board for New Order you prolly don't think they're washed up anyhoo.

Yes, it is hard to maintain consistent levels of creativity and quality for twenty months more or less twenty plus years, but if they're willing to do the work and they still have the energy and the desire, who am I to tell them what to do?

You would think people who wubbed Underworld would give some leeway to New Order. Granted, Underworld changed its style drastically, but I'm sure there are plenty of people who think Underwould should have stayed deader than dead. Honestly.

Then again, I may be biased, cos I think New Order sounds plenty fresh.

And can you trust people who think that Destiny's Child is the bee's knees? Pop, yesh, but quality r'n'b? Methinks not.

As they continue to make good quality music the only issue is surely with the perceived image?

This has indeed tired if not waned over the years, but i personally think they dont give a flying fuck and nor should we. They have and always will be about the music and their passion for performing their music.

I think that splitting up for 8 years probably refreshed them creatively - if they'd been churning out albums every other year (such as U2) I've no doubt they'd sound knackered and shit.

I don't know if they're washed up per se, but I do wonder if the initial spark that they had, going back to Blue Monday (or even further, to Transmission) is still as potent as it once was. What I mean is, never mind the hits, as long as there's some trace of substance to the songs, than no they shouldn't stop. But if they turn into a greatest-hits package with nothing new to keep me interested, I'll just have to retreat to my room with my treasured copies of Low-life and PCL to remind me of their 'glory days'. Being a big fan of Here To Stay, if they can keep up the quality control for at least 2 to 3 more years, release one last masterpiece (Get Ready is almost good enough to end a career on, but not quite), and perhaps tour the States again, then call it a day, that would be great. As long as they don't become a punchline like the Rolling Stones......

there music is still good, even if 98% of the planet don't know it...of they want to continue, they should

I love New Order. I think they will keep it going for as long as they can because they need the money. I would hate to see them split up but I don't think its too far off.

On TOTP they looked terrible, almost sold out looking, miming...

One more album and I would say if this isn't their last, its over. And although that will be sad, maybe it will be a good thing.

NewOrder sucks!! :\puke:

Depeche Mode and Erasure are the coolest!! Did I mention that I really dig N'Sync as well?

Originally posted by And You Will Know Me By the Circles Under My Eyes NewOrder sucks!! :\puke:Depeche Mode and Erasure are the coolest!! Did I mention that I really dig N'Sync as well?

...i see exam time has driven you to the bottle again, eh Iain...?

( and if you ARE hitting up that bottle, now's the time for that dance you promised! ;) )

They really should have split in 1990.

Number 1 album the year before. Number 1 single that year (albeit a rather naff one).

What better way than to quit whilst on top??

i think they've still got it and i never saw their creative spark ever had a peak and a decline. i think their ideas and their creativity just change and mutate, and that's the key to any band's lasting power. the bands that fade into mediocrity are those who never change their sound or "formula" and are just trying to relive their glory days. new order has changed with the times and you can see that progression, so i think they'll stay around for quite a while...unless one of them dies...

Heehee.

I'm fine with New Order. (That would be a duh, hush Janaki, stop bringing up the half naked pictures of Barney pre-manboobs. :p) I just think the lot on the ML were being snobs. That liked Destiny's Child. *koff koff*

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What's wrong with Nsync? :D

Originally posted by jae young Heehee.I'm fine with New Order. (That would be a duh, hush Janaki, stop bringing up the half naked pictures of Barney pre-manboobs. :p)

...oh, alright. but only if you stop :p -ing them.

*snicker*

*cackle*

Originally posted by janaki

...oh, alright. but only if you stop :p -ing them.

*snicker*

*cackle*

I am pure and innocent, so I have no idea what you meant by that remark. However, since it is the exploding batter pink haired grrrl, I will assume nothing but ill will was behind your words, so~!

:violent2:

I think there is a big reason that they are still around! I don't think that NO should retire. I do think that Get Ready is a fantastic album. Dawning of a new era for them. I think that musically they may have ignited the spark again that has made them who they are today. I think that this is a new time for them and they are starting over as a band. I myself am looking forward to whats in store for us in the NO department!

Now, Depeche Mode, is a band that needs to throw in the fucking towel! They are done, but NO, they still have some great tunes left in them old bones of theirs!

Originally posted by jae young > Originally posted by janaki> > ...oh, alright. but only if you stop :p -ing them. > > *snicker*> > *cackle*

I am pure and innocent, so I have no idea what you meant by that remark. However, since it is the exploding batter pink haired grrrl, I will assume nothing but ill will was behind your words, so~!

:violent2:

...but my dearest Jae Young, how could any ill will be behind my words? for i am the most pure, sweet, and innocent exploding batter pink-haired girl this forum may well have ever known!

is me. see? aren't i sweet and cute and innocent?

so, Jae Young...don't point that gun at meeeee...

take aim at someone more deserving. i'm sure there's got to be someone you can think of. ;)

Originally posted by Kimberly Raymond-Jensen Now, Depeche Mode, is a band that needs to throw in the fucking towel! They are done, but NO, they still have some great tunes left in them old bones of theirs!

Let's put Duran Duran as another band that belongs on this list of hasbeens.

I will not respond to delusional girls with pink hair, cos then they feel validated. Wouldn't want that. :D

'course not, Jae Young. and it's not like everyone here doesn't know that (as you said yourself) you're me anyway... ;)

also, can we add INXS to this list? my god. and they're coming to my town soon.

after washing machine i declared that sonic youth had lost it and should retire. i was obsessed with the old material, comparing everything to confusion is sex. once i gave their most recent releases a fair chance i ended up loving them. they evolved into more abstract and minimalist guitar sounds blah blah blah but anyway, i saw them live twice in 2000 and once again, and they were fantastic! they played most of their new album, but dug extensively back to their earliest material to make the setlist (which was NOT the same every night). my point is, THERE IS STILL HOPE FOR THE ORDER.

blondie should have never reunited. debbie harry's voice ain't what it used to be who agrees?

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Originally posted by janaki also, can we add INXS to this list? my god. and they're coming to my town soon.

ooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh that is very interesting but we are yet to here any new material since michael wanked himself to death and they are still to actally come to the conclusion who is to do the sing sing i saw the terrance trent thingy perfromance on tv last year and it was horrible i mean they could change there name and go all bleepy bleepy on us like someone elese i could mention and probably be more popular than before

:sex: :headoff:

did anyone notice that in the mid 90s gahan from the mode started to gradually turn into the inxs guy? that was pretty funny

Originally posted by false head did anyone notice that in the mid 90s gahan from the mode started to gradually turn into the inxs guy? that was pretty funny

right. he needs to get rid of those tatoos.

Originally posted by janaki also, can we add INXS to this list? my god. and they're coming to my town soon.

Jesus...whatever you do, DON'T FEED THEM. They'll never leave.

Originally posted by snucker blondie should have never reunited. debbie harry's voice ain't what it used to be who agrees?

Her voice???

What about her dancing????

[this coming from a rabid Blondie fan in their 1978-80 heyday]

Originally posted by false head did anyone notice that in the mid 90s gahan from the mode started to gradually turn into the inxs guy? that was pretty funny

Yeah - noticed that. Also he probably thought he was Chris Cornell from Soundgarden too. At least Hutchence succeeded in his suicide bid. Gahan was so fucked up by the mid 90's he couldn't even do that right.!!

[by the way, I DO like a lot of Depeche Mode stuff - their prime period was 1986-1993. I also have their last album but it's pretty well washed up isn't it? They've lost that edge that made them good - Alan Wilder leaving has got a lot to do with it - IMHO, he's their best musician and with him they made their best records!!! So never mind the argument that without Dave Gahan there is no Depeche Mode - au contraire - without Alan Wilder, Depeche Mode should have really called it a day]