Alan Paul Kitching wrote:
80's pop/rock like any other era has it’s gems and it's s***e. The main difference is '80's pop had more of a progressive, inventive and naïve feel to it - at the indie end at least, than today's retro, derivative, stylised, throw-away and corporate ethos. There does tend to be a convenient pigeon hole-ing of everything associated with the '80's as being New Romantic/Synth/Electro pop. Yes that was a popular sound at the time and the likes of NO, Depeche Mode, PSB, Human League/Heaven 17, Soft Cell, OMD, Visage, Ultravox, Japan etc. were absolutely massive but the decade is also notable for the sheer amount of musical genres that it spawned. In the early '80's the punk rock movement either capitulated or merged towards a new wave sound which embraced other forms of music and attracted newcomers to the sound. For example The Clash/BAD, Blondie and Talking Heads incorporated elements of Reggae, Hip Hop and other sounds into their mix. Reggae and Ska were also massive as typified by the Two Tone/The Specials sound although the commercial success of Madness (who I don't mind) and novelty pop of Bad Manners probably killed the scene's underground credentials. The likes of The Smiths, Echo And The Bunneymen, Coctau Twins, Jesus And The Mary Chain, Pixies etc. were part of a indie rock underground which was more about making music they wanted to make rather than doing music which did well in the charts and at the time gained critical success rather than the sales success you could say they should have had. The '80's was also Hip Hop's 'golden era' with Afrika Bambaataa, Grandmaster Flash, Run DMC, KRS One, Public Enemy, Eric B And Rakim, Mantronix etc. showing just how new, fresh, exciting and dangerous this music was back then compared to the boring gangsta/R&B rap s***e which pervades today. The mid-'80's is IMHO the decades low point with the Stock/Aitken/Waterman pop of (P)Rick Astley etc. for example being the lowest common denominator of the s***e that was around back then. However as the decade was coming to an end an interesting and exciting musical movement emerged that NO/Factory/Hacienda was to be a part of. The Dance/Rave scene although pimped to almost extinction by the mid '90's was absolutely mind blowing in 1987/88 when you heard the House/Acid House being produced by Frankie Knuckles, Marshall Jefferson, DJ Pierre, Steve 'Silk' Hurley, Farley Jackmaster Funk, Tony Humpries etc. Combine that with Juan Atkins, Derrick May, Kevin Saunderson, Eddie 'Flashin' Fowlkes, Kenny Larkin, Carl Craig etc. Techno sound of Detroit you had the elements which created a necessary to shake up the music scene - in the UK and Europe at least. NO were around at the start of this Dance music revolution and Technique represents just how different the pop music landscape was post 1988. Likewise many of Manchester's music makers to a greater or lesser degree incorporated these influences into their sound. The 'Madchester' era of the Happy Mondays, Stone Roses, Charlatans, 808 State, Inspiral Carpets etc. is arguably one of the most creative periods of the '80's and directly/indirectly helped lay the foundations for the likes of Dance music acts like The Chemicals, Orbital, Leftfield, Underworld, Moby, The Orb, Massive Attack, Prodigy, Faithless, FSOL, LFO, Aphex Twin, Hardfloor, etc. to emerge in the '90's. On the whole I like much of the music that emerged in the '80's and I suppose if it's good it will eventually get appreciated - even if it wasn't at the time. Still I'd love to meet the f***ers who bought that Joe Dolce single and Kept Ultravox's Vienna of No.1 on a dark night LOL!
Anyway time for a break from the keyboard methinks - cheers!
I got two and half lines into this and realised, unsurprisingly that you were, in fact, talking complete and utter bullshit.
The main difference is '80's pop had more of a progressive, inventive and naïve feel to it - at the indie end at least, than today's retro, derivative, stylised, throw-away and corporate ethos
stylised, throw away and corporate ethos? Nice to see you'be been reading the dictionary Alan but you really shouldnt have done it at the expense of checking out of reality.
Presumably, you think that music stop and starts with what you hear on whatever Radio Station you listen to. So that means you are likely to hear some rapper or r nb nonsense samping Phil Collins, or Toto or Spandau Ballet etc etc. Of course, this means you havent checked out any of the hundreds of half decent bands out there because even though you know they are out there (and if you dont you are even less intelligent than I gave you credit for). So according to you, who knows nothing about todays music short of perceptions of the stuff you hear on the radio and looking into what its not, and therefore criticising it, what you should do is look into what is there, what is good about it and actually enjoy it.
In one sweeping statement you have denegrated the entirity of todays music scene. Well, I'll tell you what, based on our conversation a few weeks ago, in the "Other Bands You Like" thread in BCD, I have a done a nice big list, so look at that, get yourself onto Myspace, or Napster and then come back to be with an informed reasonable debate, something which is a vast improvement on "I Dont like The Whip, I Like Electronic Music"
As for the best decade. Well, as anyone with a brain would realise, the likes of Stock, Aitken and Waterman and that kind of nonsense has always been around. In fact, I did a blog entry on it which can be found here so i would never let that pre judge my opinion on what has been the best musical decade. I actaully think that if you were a fan of independent live music that anytime after 1977 you'd be alright, especially in the major cities. I think the only time the 'scene' got bad was between 99-2003 when the following bands were top of the tree: Travis, Coldplay, Limp Bizkit (does anyone remember the whole nu-metal thing. Ouch), The D*rkness (very briefly, thank fuck) and you couldnt go anywhere without hearing gangsta rap, or nu metal or shit like that. 2004 comes along, so do Franz Ferdinand, and a year later you cant move for gigs by decent bands again. What happens in 2004? The first mega rush for Glastonbury tickets, followed in 2005 by the first mega rush for tickets to Reading/Leeds and V. Who, generally, plays these events? Popular independent bands.
So, to go back to the original question, does 80's music still rule? Well its very hard for a decade to rule anything, what with it being a designated time frame. Considering how styles change and things evolve and new sounds are created its probably very inaccurate to pigeonhole.
What I will say is this, if anyone is stupid enough to limit themselves to one era, or one scene, or one type of music, one dare i say it, one band, then they are a total fool. Life, and Music goes on.