Most Over-rated NO song

Sorry if this has been done before but I can't find a thread in the browser...

Obviously we all love NewOrder and have been amazed and astounded by their music and development over 25+ years of making bang up tunes. But I wondered if anyone else felt, like me that, just a few too many tunes got the reverential treatment?

Here's a few of my teeth-grinders to get started:

Blue Monday Bizarre Love Triangle Love Vigilantes The Perfect Kiss Face-Up Touched by the hand of God (Possibly the worst song ever committed to vinyl) 60 Miles an Hour and the rest of Get Ready that isn't Crystal...

I'm just about to find myself an deep bunker and hide...

RichShan wrote: Sorry if this has been done before but I can't find a thread in the browser...

Obviously we all love NewOrder and have been amazed and astounded by their music and development over 25+ years of making bang up tunes. But I wondered if anyone else felt, like me that, just a few too many tunes got the reverential treatment?

Here's a few of my teeth-grinders to get started:

Blue Monday Bizarre Love Triangle Love Vigilantes The Perfect Kiss Face-Up Touched by the hand of God (Possibly the worst song ever committed to vinyl) 60 Miles an Hour and the rest of Get Ready that isn't Crystal...

I'm just about to find myself an deep bunker and hide...

Er, I don't think anyone has EVER been 'reverential' about 60MPH!!??!!

El Jarvo wrote: True Faith. Bizarre Love Triangle (12") Technique.

That is all. Fact. End of.

El Jarvo... The whole of Technique is over-rated? Surely not? You gotta love all those sheep samples on Fine Time

Doctor Clayhead... Fair point, I was beginning to struggle for over-rated stuff :)

amongst the casual- Blue Monday

I've always thought that Confusion was overrated as well.

ShugZV wrote: You two want yer heids tested

LV, BLT, TF, Technique?

Everyone's entitled to their opinions, but fcuk me over the bonce with a big stick and call me Melanie if you two have any taste

Most Over-rated song?

WIFM. Fac.

:D

ShugZV forgot about WIM. Thanks for the reminder

And I'm down the shrink clinic later for a wee heid test. I think he's going to hold up NO 12" covers and ask me to give a simple Yes/No answer. But that cover to Blue Monday will have me quaking in the corner

I'm just waiting for Timbo to make his contribution here and dismiss 50% of everything they've ever done as complete shite.

I do sometimes wonder if the Old Monkey actually likes New Order.....

The Perfect Kiss Love Vigilantes Hurt

El Jarvo wrote:

RichShan wrote: El Jarvo... The whole of Technique is over-rated? Surely not? You gotta love all those sheep samples on Fine Time

Technique (as a concept) is vastly over-rated. The New Order album for people who don't like New Order.

I'll give you the sheep though. Fine Time is the standout track for me, and that bassline at the death, competing with the sheep, is one of the best things Hooky's ever done.

Always loved NewOrder and can't help thinking that this is one of their better ones

worra bout Republic?

King John Honest John wrote: worra bout Republic?

A real stinker, except for Regret... Still they got to prance about with the Baywatch crew though!

(just working out the beat. aahhhh, got it now)

You are a colour and you are a numberWe need a sanction to see one another

Doctor Clayhead wrote: I'm just waiting for Timbo to make his contribution here and dismiss 50% of everything they've ever done as complete shite.

I do sometimes wonder if the Old Monkey actually likes New Order.....

Most of the stuff they've done isn't rated enough by the majority of people, certainly not commercially.

Sure, there is stuff I don't much care for, but not stuff I think is over-rated. I only care about my own ratings of stuff, so what anyone else thinks of as over-rated is pretty much irrelevant to me!

fookit it's oldmonkey again wrote:

Doctor Clayhead wrote: I'm just waiting for Timbo to make his contribution here and dismiss 50% of everything they've ever done as complete shite.

I do sometimes wonder if the Old Monkey actually likes New Order.....

Most of the stuff they've done isn't rated enough by the majority of people, certainly not commercially.

Sure, there is stuff I don't much care for, but not stuff I think is over-rated. I only care about my own ratings of stuff, so what anyone else thinks of as over-rated is pretty much irrelevant to me!

That's very diplomatic, Timbo!

So I say: SUNRISE.

It's vacuous, sub-Cure rip-off tripe for sweaty boys who really just need to have a wank.

There. I've said it.

Dare I say Temptation?

Having said that I would listen to anything of theirs before other bands

El Jarvo wrote:

Technique (as a concept) is vastly over-rated. The New Order album for people who don't like New Order.

Jarvo - I respect your knowledge and history but that statement is just complete and utter bollocks.

Temptation

It's been dull as rancid dishwater ever since it went "digital" in the mid 80's YAWWWWWWWWN

Doctor? wrote: Temptation

It's been dull as rancid dishwater ever since it went "digital" in the mid 80's YAWWWWWWWWN

100% in agreement. Give me the old ARP Quadra ticking that arpeggiator out anyday...

Substance versions of Temptation and Confusion are pretty poor too

Rorschach wrote:

El Jarvo wrote:

Technique (as a concept) is vastly over-rated. The New Order album for people who don't like New Order.

Jarvo - I respect your knowledge and history but that statement is just complete and utter bollocks.

I dunno, I'm rather inclined to agree with Jarvo. A load of fuss is always made about Technique as being the pinnacle, but at least half of it is filler and it really hasn't aged well. It's the only one they used synth and drum sounds on that sound really dated now, and I think their own thoughts on the record can be gauged by the fact they dropped everything off it in 1993 (most of it didn't survive the 89 tour) besides playing the only one they hadn't done live before at a couple of 98 shows.

Doctor? wrote: Temptation

It's been dull as rancid dishwater ever since it went "digital" in the mid 80's YAWWWWWWWWN

Never was any good to me. The 7 minute beer break.

El Jarvo wrote:

Rorschach wrote:

El Jarvo wrote:

Technique (as a concept) is vastly over-rated. The New Order album for people who don't like New Order.

Jarvo - I respect your knowledge and history but that statement is just complete and utter bollocks.

Weeellll, we need a lil' bit of controversy around here!

It's also music for lads with small dicks!

FAO: Non-regulars

This is a barely-veiled dig at "wee" Shuglet.

Fine Time Confusion

Those are the ones I usually skip.

El Jarvo wrote:

RichShan wrote: El Jarvo... The whole of Technique is over-rated? Surely not? You gotta love all those sheep samples on Fine Time

Technique (as a concept) is vastly over-rated.

That's exactly what I think about Lowlife. Cheesy gay-disco music. Hasn't aged well.

NB I reckon this is about the 20th time in five years that I've made the above comment on NOOL.

Rorschach wrote:

El Jarvo wrote:

Technique (as a concept) is vastly over-rated. The New Order album for people who don't like New Order.

Jarvo - I respect your knowledge and history but that statement is just complete and utter bollocks.

I don't.

I respect only MY knowledge.

fuck all youse lot.

El Jarvo wrote:

NOOLigan wrote: Fine Time Confusion

Those are the ones I usually skip.

In fairness, are they over-rated though? I would've thought the majority here don't like 'em already!

I wasn't talking about just NOOLers.

The Band and the record label seem to rate them well, as they are on on the comps

NOOLigan wrote:

El Jarvo wrote:

NOOLigan wrote: Fine Time Confusion

Those are the ones I usually skip.

In fairness, are they over-rated though? I would've thought the majority here don't like 'em already!

I wasn't talking about just NOOLers.

The Band and the record label seem to rate them well, as they are on on the comps

Confusion is a (flawed) masterpiece

I played it out last week (along with Act on Instinct by Streetlife- Anyone got the rest of their stuff by the way?) and it went down a bloody storm. Got loads of young whippersnappers asking about it :D

El Jarvo wrote:

ally wrote: What about Don't Do It, Al?

That's part of the Technique concept innit?

Both Fine Time / Don't Do It are the outstanding moments from that era.

The rest is just pap.

Fact. End of. That is all. Etc et cetera.

This lady's not for turning, then??

El Jarvo wrote:

Doctor Clayhead wrote:

El Jarvo wrote:

ally wrote: What about Don't Do It, Al?

That's part of the Technique concept innit?

Both Fine Time / Don't Do It are the outstanding moments from that era.

The rest is just pap.

Fact. End of. That is all. Etc et cetera.

This lady's not for turning, then??

No, and Thank Fcuk they don't play anything off Technique live anymore.

Last I heard, they don't play fuck all live anymore.

Doctor Clayhead wrote:

El Jarvo wrote:

Doctor Clayhead wrote:

El Jarvo wrote:

ally wrote: What about Don't Do It, Al?

That's part of the Technique concept innit?

Both Fine Time / Don't Do It are the outstanding moments from that era.

The rest is just pap.

Fact. End of. That is all. Etc et cetera.

This lady's not for turning, then??

No, and Thank Fcuk they don't play anything off Technique live anymore.

Last I heard, they don't play fuck all live anymore.

Too funny

he picked "end of" up from me.

say it all the time.

END OF!!!

King John Honest John wrote: he picked "end of" up from me.

say it all the time.

END OF!!!

And you got it from me That effin Cathrine Tate got 'bovvvered' from Redcar an all Ten years or more we've said that.Boring now. There are other examples,nicked from Teesside... Not natch though.Who started 'natch' ? I nicked that one from here,mind,natch!

i hate Nat..

can't even say it.

King John Honest John wrote: i hate Nat..

can't even say it.

Ore eh, Cum ed lah! You be Mayed up....natch!

that one that goes............. "TOO MUCH WORKING OVERTIME"........ AS IF

turn dream attack vanishing point

JZee wrote: turn dream attack vanishing point

I really like all three of these. Couldn't rate them highly enough.

I've never really taken to Thieves Like Us, although there'll be plenty who love it.

JZee wrote: turn dream attack vanishing point

I think your CDs must be mislabelled.

fookit it's oldmonkey again wrote:

JZee wrote: turn dream attack vanishing point

I think your CDs must be mislabelled.

Mind you , i enjoy dream attack and vanishing point but their not in my top 20. Turn, i never understood the fuss about it and usually skip over it.

confusion represents what was going on in new york in the early 80's. Therefore, i think yanks may rank it higher.

Ceremony.

In my opinion...

Ceremony. [yes, Ceremony.] Tempfookin'tation! [so overrated it gets played at the club too damn much! MORE TPfookin'K!!! :\pissedoff:] TBtHoG. Crystal. [...even though I love the song...] Cries & fookin' Whispers!! BM. Thieves Like Us. BLfookin'T!!!

...AND NO, 'TECHNIQUE' IS NOT OVERRATED!!!

...'Brotherhood' is.

1963

[got spirit, lost feeling ~ 'sunshine'] wrote: In my opinion...

Ceremony. [yes, Ceremony.] Tempfookin'tation! [so overrated it gets played at the club too damn much! MORE TPfookin'K!!! :\pissedoff:]

Crystal. [...even though I love the song...]

Your list may be condemned more than mine. I thought you loved TPK?

Here To Stay it's alright, but nothing special

JZee wrote:

[got spirit, lost feeling ~ 'sunshine'] wrote: In my opinion...

Ceremony. [yes, Ceremony.] Tempfookin'tation! [so overrated it gets played at the club too damn much! MORE TPfookin'K!!! :\pissedoff:]

Crystal. [...even though I love the song...]

Your list may be condemned more than mine. I thought you loved TPK?

I do. What I was trying to say is, Temptation gets overplayed at the club I go to. The DJ doesn't play TPK enough.

That's why I said, MORE TPfookin'K!!!

[Hope that sheds some light on your darkened mind. :wink3:]

Krafty
Waiting Who's joe Turn Crystal turn my way Primitive motion Vicious streak Regret Ruined in a day Spooky Avalanche Run Vanishing point Dream attack Love less Temptation True faith Everything gone green 1963 Brutal Lonesome night Lets go for nothing Such a good thing The perfect kiss This time of night Face up Love vigilantes The village 586 Leave me alone Age of consent Every little counts All day long Way of life Bizarre love triangle Dream never end The him Senses Blue Monday World in motion

linus sulanki wrote: Krafty
Waiting Who's joe Turn Crystal turn my way Primitive motion Vicious streak Regret Ruined in a day Spooky Avalanche Run Vanishing point Dream attack Love less Temptation True faith Everything gone green 1963 Brutal Lonesome night Lets go for nothing Such a good thing The perfect kiss This time of night Face up Love vigilantes The village 586 Leave me alone Age of consent Every little counts All day long Way of life Bizarre love triangle Dream never end The him Senses Blue Monday World in motion

so do you like NO? Some of songs hardly qualified as being rated highly.

[black]TURN[/black]

It's alright,good Hooky-bass opening.Me Julie says "ooh this is the one that sounds like the Cure" But not a song I would have pushed for single release.

Erm...what's that...they didn't?

Should have released GUILT IS A USELESS EMOTION,that would have dented the chart,followed by an official BLT re-release.

MONTY The Merciless wrote: Should have released GUILT IS A USELESS EMOTION,that would have dented the chart,followed by an official BLT re-release.

Yes Monty, they should've.

linus sulanki wrote: Krafty
Waiting Who's joe Turn Crystal turn my way Primitive motion Vicious streak Regret Ruined in a day Spooky Avalanche Run Vanishing point Dream attack Love less Temptation True faith Everything gone green 1963 Brutal Lonesome night Lets go for nothing Such a good thing The perfect kiss This time of night Face up Love vigilantes The village 586 Leave me alone Age of consent Every little counts All day long Way of life Bizarre love triangle Dream never end The him Senses Blue Monday World in motion

If I was you mate I'd go and find some other website to mither, there's fuck all for you here. Are you about 12, or a goth?

linus sulanki wrote: Krafty
Waiting Who's joe Turn Crystal turn my way Primitive motion Vicious streak Regret Ruined in a day Spooky Avalanche Run Vanishing point Dream attack Love less Temptation True faith Everything gone green 1963 Brutal Lonesome night Lets go for nothing Such a good thing The perfect kiss This time of night Face up Love vigilantes The village 586 Leave me alone Age of consent Every little counts All day long Way of life Bizarre love triangle Dream never end The him Senses Blue Monday World in motion

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, WHOA!!! STOP THE BLOODY PRESSES!!!

The Him!? Senses!? DNE!? LMA!? 58fookin'6!? Face Up!? EGG!? Regret!? The Village!? WFTSC!? DA, VP, and LL!? Vicious Streak!? Turn!? Age of fookin' Consent!? True Faith!?

AND EVEN TPfookin'K!?!? What the Helen of Troy...

mental advice to self: ...shut the fook up, sunshine...

[ ]

RichShan wrote:

Touched by the hand of God (Possibly the worst song ever committed to vinyl)

Certainly tops my list, especially in the live sets. Don't mind the big US hits (TF & BLT) on the radio....cause they still sound miles better than most of the other dross sandwiched round 'em.

linus sulanki wrote: Krafty
Waiting Who's joe Turn Crystal turn my way Primitive motion Vicious streak Regret Ruined in a day Spooky Avalanche Run Vanishing point Dream attack Love less Temptation True faith Everything gone green 1963 Brutal Lonesome night Lets go for nothing Such a good thing The perfect kiss This time of night Face up Love vigilantes The village 586 Leave me alone Age of consent Every little counts All day long Way of life Bizarre love triangle Dream never end The him Senses Blue Monday World in motion

Well, I wonder how long it took to write this out... Was it like some kind of primal scream therapy... You know, acknowledge the pain and then let go. Unless of course we just fell for a piss taking

For me,due to quite a lot of posts championing it,I just don't get Turn whatsoever,just sounds like mediocre AOR to me,as does other tunes on WFTSC,especially Hey Now,What you Doing,which is as shite as the title suggests. Plus,isn't the point of over-rated being lost a little? It just seems to me that people consider a song to be over-rated just 'cos they don't personally like it,songs seem to be being plucked out of thin air without anything to base the argument on.For instance,if Blue Monday was widely regarded as being a top song by fans,but not so by media critics,then it would be considered to be over-rated.Or am I twat?

linus sulanki wrote: Krafty
Waiting Who's joe Turn Crystal turn my way Primitive motion Vicious streak Regret Ruined in a day Spooky Avalanche Run Vanishing point Dream attack Love less Temptation True faith Everything gone green 1963 Brutal Lonesome night Lets go for nothing Such a good thing The perfect kiss This time of night Face up Love vigilantes The village 586 Leave me alone Age of consent Every little counts All day long Way of life Bizarre love triangle Dream never end The him Senses Blue Monday World in motion

Tell me,what is the fookin' point of being on here??!!!

kel wrote: For me,due to quite a lot of posts championing it,I just don't get Turn whatsoever,just sounds like mediocre AOR to me,as does other tunes on WFTSC,especially Hey Now,What you Doing,which is as shite as the title suggests. Plus,isn't the point of over-rated being lost a little? It just seems to me that people consider a song to be over-rated just 'cos they don't personally like it,songs seem to be being plucked out of thin air without anything to base the argument on.For instance,if Blue Monday was widely regarded as being a top song by fans,but not so by media critics,then it would be considered to be over-rated.Or am I twat?

Kel, you are spot on... Exactly what I was trying to get to when I started the thread. Like you say, it seems people seem to be getting sidetracked with personal likes/dislikes... maybe I should have started a thread which went something like "your bottom 10 NO songs" :)

Which is pretty much why I answered how I did, as "over-rated" is so subjective. There are songs I like, songs I dislike, and songs that in my opinion too much fuss is made over. Temptation is the clear winner on the latter in my book!

oldmonkey wrote: Which is pretty much why I answered how I did, as "over-rated" is so subjective. There are songs I like, songs I dislike, and songs that in my opinion too much fuss is made over. Temptation is the clear winner on the latter in my book!

The real ones for me are BLT and Love Vigilantes... Too much is made of those. Actually think LV is a poor song regardless of whether it's rated or not.

Love Vig is one of my all time favourites.

it was even on in my local on the Jukey (thanks to me) before the pub got fire-bombed.

always on my best of. and not at all over-rated.

King John Honest John wrote: Love Vig is one of my all time favourites.

it was even on in my local on the Jukey (thanks to me) before the pub got fire-bombed.

always on my best of. and not at all over-rated.

Sorry guys, I just don't get it. I think that's what I was trying to get to when I was thinking of over-rated songs. Thought it was poor as soon as I heard when it LowLife came out. Some things either go in or not.

And hands off Tevez! Berbatov and Eto you're welcome to... But there was precious little joy at West Ham this season and Tevez was the sparkle that cheered everyone up

King John Honest John wrote: Love Vig is one of my all time favourites.

it was even on in my local on the Jukey (thanks to me) before the pub got fire-bombed.

always on my best of. and not at all over-rated.

First Base?

PHD wrote:

King John Honest John wrote: Love Vig is one of my all time favourites.

it was even on in my local on the Jukey (thanks to me) before the pub got fire-bombed.

always on my best of. and not at all over-rated.

First Base?

lovely place that.

no. not too far. Clarence on Everton Road. its shut now for good. but the door is new. well...particleboard veneer by the looks. i bet the jukey's still inside too.

King John Honest John wrote:

PHD wrote:

King John Honest John wrote: Love Vig is one of my all time favourites.

it was even on in my local on the Jukey (thanks to me) before the pub got fire-bombed.

always on my best of. and not at all over-rated.

First Base?

lovely place that.

no. not too far. Clarence on Everton Road. its shut now for good. but the door is new. well...particleboard veneer by the looks. i bet the jukey's still inside too.

er most over-rated? Agreed with Al on BLT. Face Up too.

I don't actually feel like any are over-rated. It suprises me how much I still like Blue Monday, given how over-exposed that song is and that its not as distinctive as it once was, given how every other electronic dance track these days sounds like a remix of it. I do, however, occasionally wish Barny was a better lyricist. You don't listen to NO for the words, thats for sure, most of them are nonsense really and occasionally distractingly bad ('it beats arithmetic'? 'a land of meat'? 'you can't shaft when you are alone'?). Then again, there are _worse_ lyricists out there, I guess.

PHD, what is that Bernard Sumner book picture you've got? I've heard there is a biography of him on the way, is that the cover?

404 error wrote: I don't actually feel like any are over-rated. It suprises me how much I still like Blue Monday, given how over-exposed that song is and that its not as distinctive as it once was, given how every other electronic dance track these days sounds like a remix of it. I do, however, occasionally wish Barny was a better lyricist. You don't listen to NO for the words, thats for sure, most of them are nonsense really and occasionally distractingly bad ('it beats arithmetic'? 'a land of meat'? 'you can't shaft when you are alone'?). Then again, there are _worse_ lyricists out there, I guess.

I agree with that totally. I think Blue Monday transcends what ANYONE might think of it- it changed music

Oh yeah and Sumners lyrics always a few absolute howlers in there!

RichShan wrote:

404 error wrote: I don't actually feel like any are over-rated. It suprises me how much I still like Blue Monday, given how over-exposed that song is and that its not as distinctive as it once was, given how every other electronic dance track these days sounds like a remix of it. I do, however, occasionally wish Barny was a better lyricist. You don't listen to NO for the words, thats for sure, most of them are nonsense really and occasionally distractingly bad ('it beats arithmetic'? 'a land of meat'? 'you can't shaft when you are alone'?). Then again, there are _worse_ lyricists out there, I guess.

I agree with that totally. I think Blue Monday transcends what ANYONE might think of it- it changed music

Oh yeah and Sumners lyrics always a few absolute howlers in there!

That's it exactly,& just how it should be viewed.I went thru' a period myself of almost fookin' hating it because of its' over-exposure,somewhere towards the end of the '80's,but then I just fell in love with it all over again,to the point where now,when I listen to it,I just feel so proud of what it represents,& it's a fookin' N.O. song.It's just so BIG.Worship what it stands for

Temptation can piss me off in the same way these days sometimes,especially live:\ohwell:

Depends what you mean by changing music? Was it innovative - probably not as the sound emerged from their forays into the dance clubs of the US and as you say Kraftwerk were doing this before (as were others). But did it bring a new style to a bigger audience in the UK - the answer must be yes. Look at all the dance musicians who say that Blue Monday was the track that got them into dance music.

'Guilt is a useless emotion'....? I honestly don't get why so many people on this site seem to rate it....?

the mighty boosh wrote: 'Guilt is a useless emotion'....? I honestly don't get why so many people on this site seem to rate it....?

Possibly because it was the only real dance track in an otherwise average album.

I think Here to Stay is overrated too, particularly on the other side of the Atlantic. For me, its a turgid run of the mill dance track with guitars not really sitting well on top.

"There Is No Doubt About It!"

El Jarvo wrote:

RichShan wrote:

oldmonkey wrote: Which is pretty much why I answered how I did, as "over-rated" is so subjective. There are songs I like, songs I dislike, and songs that in my opinion too much fuss is made over. Temptation is the clear winner on the latter in my book!

The real ones for me are BLT and Love Vigilantes... Too much is made of those. Actually think LV is a poor song regardless of whether it's rated or not.

I'd have said Love Vigilantes in an absolute stonewell classic.

I'm getting worried about how often I'm agreeing with you, Al... LV has been my favourite NO track for the last 20 years or so... Genius... Overrated? It's all good...

Snorri xxx

Lonesome Tonight or Leave me Alone!

Josman wrote: Lonesome Tonight or Leave me Alone!

:(

... but Lonesome Tonight or Leave me Alone are incredible, beautiful, moving tracks! New Order at their peak as a group.

Must agree that "Here to Stay", while not terrible, is a minor effort. Not sure why some of those here rank it highly, the world seemed to ignore "Here to Stay" without much hesitation or remorse, even with the promotional tie-in with the movie, or asscoiation with The Chems. The track is nice but uninvolving at best.

pumped full of drugs wrote:

Josman wrote: Lonesome Tonight or Leave me Alone!

:(

... but Lonesome Tonight or Leave me Alone are incredible, beautiful, moving tracks! New Order at their peak as a group.

Could not agree more.... 'Leave me alone' is probably the most under rated song ever...

marcus mee wrote: PHD, what is that Bernard Sumner book picture you've got? I've heard there is a biography of him on the way, is that the cover?

Yes. It keeps getting advertised on eil.com. I don't know how official it is though.

El Jarvo wrote:

RichShan wrote: I agree with that totally. I think Blue Monday transcends what ANYONE might think of it- it changed music

I applaud your enthusiasm, but it didn't really, did it? Change music, I mean.

Kraftwerk had a no.1 in this country a year earlier with a track they'd written in 1977 so it's not like Blue Monday was breaking new boundaries. Or introducing a new kinda muzak to the masses.

More than anything, I just think Blue Monday has aged amazingly well, hence its critical acclaim. Whereas other early 80's electronica (and late 70's) has dated badly I think New Order's first stab at dance still sounds fresh as a daisy.

El Jarvo... In retrospect maybe I was being a touch too enthusiastic. But you still hear echoes of Blue Monday in many susequent dance records. Isn't Neil tennant on record as saying that he almost gave up when he heard Blue Monday because it was so close to what he wanted to produce with the Pet Shop Boys?

I know at the time of BM that they were listening to lots of italian dance music and were massively influenced by Kraftwerk (surely the most under-rated comedy act of all time- cover of trans europe express anyone? Lyrics to hall of mirrors? Just me?) but NO brought together many other elements with the high lead bass over the electronics and those strangely eerie vocals... I'd argue that while Kraftwerk epitomises an entirely german sound aesthetic New Order is the first English Electronic Dance record and sounded so different to anything that went before in British music...

Dreams Never End and Thieves Like Us.

Chosen Time over DNE but Thieves like us is in my top 10

Working Overtime

Jesus!

Well people, I think we kicked the arse out of that thread... Thanks to everyone for their thoughts and contributions... Very illuminating. Lots of different opinions and discussions, which is how it should be... Enjoyed all the posts, especially as it was my first thread. Nice one

Not a problem.

RichShan wrote: Well people, I think we kicked the arse out of that thread... Thanks to everyone for their thoughts and contributions... Very illuminating. Lots of different opinions and discussions, which is how it should be... Enjoyed all the posts, especially as it was my first thread. Nice one

Oh i dunno.I think this thread is over-rated

Johnny wrote:

RichShan wrote: Well people, I think we kicked the arse out of that thread... Thanks to everyone for their thoughts and contributions... Very illuminating. Lots of different opinions and discussions, which is how it should be... Enjoyed all the posts, especially as it was my first thread. Nice one

Oh i dunno.I think this thread is over-rated

BWAH!

CONFUSION!

I can't believe it's the NO song that has the most number of versions. But only a few really care...

Indeed!

Crystal