Is there or isn't there a New Order anymore?

All the conflicting reports about if New order is or isn't broken up are a bit confusing for any fan. I enjoyed the interview here with Stephen. He's a soulful guy and obviously family comes first. Yes..maybe being 50 in a POP band is rough but there was also a more cutting edge and experimental side of Joy Division and New Order. Not all their work is pop work. None of Closer or Movement sounds very pop to me. AND so they are calling themselves Joy Division as the composers for the Control film? This is all curious indeed. Is this what is meant by the end of New Order? I am a hopelessly lost fan.

yeahh man, relax yourself...we have been waiting for the answers all this time...do you remember in 1993??

sooner or later we'll know....

Chris Nash wrote: The 'old' New Order recorded the 'Control' soundtrack as Joy Division, without Phil, part of the 'new' New Order. However, Gillian wasn't in it as she was part of the 'old' New Order but only appeared with Joy Division once. Ian wasn't in it as he died 26 years before the film was made. Three surviving members of New Order recorded the soundtrack as Joy Division, even though the band ceased to exist 27 years ago. However, one of the surviving members of Joy Division and the 'Old' New Order is no longer in the band and is doing other stuff.

Confused? You will be...

New Order are currently:

Bernard Sumner Stephen Morris Phil Cunningham (and it's rumoured) Gillian Gilbert and maybe a couple of 'guest' bass players

You heard it on Neworderonline first my friends...

Sound... A perfect summation of the situation dear Sir

Chris Nash wrote: New Order are currently:

Bernard Sumner Stephen Morris Phil Cunningham (and it's rumoured) Gillian Gilbert and maybe a couple of 'guest' bass players

You heard it on Neworderonline first my friends...

Maybe someone should show the band this, just so they know what's going on...

Snorri xxx

i can sleep easily again.

No one.

New Order doesn't need any bass any more.

hooky commented that barney was like the 'boy who cried wolf'

what on earth is he going on about !

just let the dust settle on this one and don't fan the flames to mix my metaphors then we'll see no phoenix but the real new order

this drama makes me yearn for the day when NO didn't really talk to the press. At this age, they should quietly go into the night. When did Hooky turn into a media whore?

Jeffari-al-Texani wrote: Hmmm...so who could we get to be the "guest" on bass???

Simon Gallup would be the most obvious choice...he's been ripping Hooky off for so long that he probably already knows all of the Order's choons...

Jack??? of course, his pa might toss him out of the house for this...

Mani Andy Rourke

Melissa auf der Mar-wouldn't exactly be the first high profile band she's played in...has replaced a big name before...

Jeff Ament-this would make Jack VERY happy...

Kim Deal

Lemmy

who else???

Always thought it would be interesting for this man to take his place:

Jack Sparrow?

Thinking a little about this ( and maybe this should be posted on one of the other threads in the forum ) but if this is the line up of New Order now then so be it. If Hooky wants to do his own thing then fine, and let New Order be.

I don't think that the question ( as posed in that other post ) should be will New Order ever record another album, but will New Order ever tour again? New Order can record more material without Hooky, plenty of people can sound like him ( personaly I hope that like all the times before, things get patched up and everyone gets happy again )but one way or another I doubt that we'll see anymore touring ( a real shame, I never had the chance to see them ).

I really hope New Order keeps going. Please don't let the Happy Mondays be the last band standing from Factory!

Jeffari-al-Texani wrote: I thought it was one of the Bee-Gees!!!

les claypool

sgt. floyd pepper from the muppets???

*Animadversion* wrote:

Jeffari-al-Texani wrote: I thought it was one of the Bee-Gees!!!

les claypool

Thank you!

JZee wrote: this drama makes me yearn for the day when NO didn't really talk to the press. At this age, they should quietly go into the night. When did Hooky turn into a media whore?

comments made especially pertinent as I watched the Brixton Academy gis last night and in that weird interview bit Hook is going on about doing things without the press...

"Always keep your mouth shut and never rat on your friends"

Yeah, come on New Order, let's shake hands with beef!!!

Definitely the strangest mixture in the world: New Order vs. Primus!

Chris Nash wrote:

(and it's rumoured) Gillian Gilbert

The only place I heard this rumour was this forum.

Indeed, a lot of people think this is the *official* site, which make this *almost* true for nowadays press. Some lazy journalist will google "new order new lineup" and BAM! we got "Gillian is back to New Order" in a headline somewhere in India.

And then we start discussing the news, and then....(you got the picture)

El Jarvo wrote:

Brian Barker wrote: Thinking a little about this ( and maybe this should be posted on one of the other threads in the forum ) but if this is the line up of New Order now then so be it. If Hooky wants to do his own thing then fine, and let New Order be.

Finally, someone speaks some sense.

Hooky doesn't want to be in New Order. But I really don't see why the other boys can't carry on using the name if they want.

Yes, it won't be the same (I'd argue as much as anyone that Hooky IS 'New Order') but, quite frankly, Hooky doesn't want to carry on the brand name, so if the others want to pick up the mantle, then fair play to them.

Course, means we'll never get a gig ever again - Steve and Barney won't be rushing out to perform live, will they?

New Order could carry on without Hooky, when it comes down to it, the most important person in any band is the lead singer.

You can't argue that Hooky is a very big character, and has been a very important part of New Order and his trademark bass is part of the New Order sound... but then again we all still bought Republic!

El Jarvo wrote:

Course, means we'll never get a gig ever again - Steve and Barney won't be rushing out to perform live, will they?

Phil could always go on tour with Roger and his backing tracks!!

I personally think they should replace Hooky with Mike Joyce.

Gary wrote:

El Jarvo wrote:

Brian Barker wrote: Thinking a little about this ( and maybe this should be posted on one of the other threads in the forum ) but if this is the line up of New Order now then so be it. If Hooky wants to do his own thing then fine, and let New Order be.

Finally, someone speaks some sense.

Hooky doesn't want to be in New Order. But I really don't see why the other boys can't carry on using the name if they want.

Yes, it won't be the same (I'd argue as much as anyone that Hooky IS 'New Order') but, quite frankly, Hooky doesn't want to carry on the brand name, so if the others want to pick up the mantle, then fair play to them.

Course, means we'll never get a gig ever again - Steve and Barney won't be rushing out to perform live, will they?

New Order could carry on without Hooky, when it comes down to it, the most important person in any band is the lead singer.

You can't argue that Hooky is a very big character, and has been a very important part of New Order and his trademark bass is part of the New Order sound... but then again we all still bought Republic!

I think Get Ready is a testament to this. Though it was Hooky on it, it didn't have his classic riffs...so it proves that someone else could stepin...

Isamu wrote: I personally think they should replace Hooky with Mike Joyce.

Does he play ?

two drummers -- how very Adam & the Ants!

If they want a new bassist, how about Pete Jones of PiL?

I'll ask Hooky what he really want to do ( or not) with NO,or - should i say -what he thinks now about NO ,if i have the chance to have a talk with him at the end of this mounth - he will do a live DJ set close to my hometown.And i'll be there! Naturellement! Of course the rest of the band can carry on under the name of NO . Why not? But do u really think it would be the best thing to do ? ???? How can we imagine NO without Hooky bass lines ?After Ian died JD changed its name and developped a new musical way... It could be a good solution again. But i'm asking me too if Barney , Steve ( and why not Hooky himself) are still interested in doing Rock Music ???? In fact this is maybe a central question. This is the question i 'll ask me if i was still in a rock band and if i was a 51 years old man? I'm 44 myself , and well i've played rock music from 1980 to 1993... I hardly imagine me on stage today sayin"YEAH! Let's rock" ...But, obviously, i'm not in NO ( ça se saurait!) and they can have a different point of view. All of this is just speculation. But what about the other WFTSC songs, unrealeased ??? This is my last remark.

Chris Nash wrote:

Igor wrote:

Chris Nash wrote:

(and it's rumoured) Gillian Gilbert

The only place I heard this rumour was this forum.

Indeed, a lot of people think this is the *official* site, which make this *almost* true for nowadays press. Some lazy journalist will google "new order new lineup" and BAM! we got "Gillian is back to New Order" in a headline somewhere in India.

And then we start discussing the news, and then....(you got the picture)

Every time in my life that I've been quoted by the press or online, it causes chaos. Don't you just love it?

As long as it doesn't hurt the band, then who cares... and have you thought I just might know something that others don't? Just a thought, mind you.

Mind as well have some fun with it. What's next? Ian Curtis is alive.

Replace Hooky with a TB303 Roland Bass Simulator... if the guys can still remember how to work that machine.

How can you even contemplate going on without Peter Hook...?! The band is damn close to karoke with Bernard reading the autocue over it as it is, and now you say Hooky can be replaced, just have somebody imitate him. The synths/ programming are already memorex as it is and the guitar has been outsourced to a studio hand. Maybe Bernard to record a new album and just have people produce the record for him, just like Depeche Mode and Madonna.

The last two records and tours have been a fun encore to their career, but don't turn New Order into a total joke

Chris Nash wrote: The 'old' New Order recorded the 'Control' soundtrack as Joy Division, without Phil, part of the 'new' New Order. However, Gillian wasn't in it as she was part of the 'old' New Order but only appeared with Joy Division once. Ian wasn't in it as he died 26 years before the film was made. Three surviving members of New Order recorded the soundtrack as Joy Division, even though the band ceased to exist 27 years ago. However, one of the surviving members of Joy Division and the 'Old' New Order is no longer in the band and is doing other stuff.

Confused? You will be...

New Order are currently:

Bernard Sumner Stephen Morris Phil Cunningham (and it's rumoured) Gillian Gilbert and maybe a couple of 'guest' bass players

You heard it on Neworderonline first my friends...

'We break easy' Crystal clear explanation my friend

Jah Wobble would be a fine contender for a new bass player for New Order or even Youth from Killing Joke or that guy from Interpol Carlos

I seriously cannot fookin' believe there are people on here who would even consider N.O. being N.O. without Hooky.Just like it wouldn't be the same without Bernard or Steve.Would you have U2 without Bongo? The Banshees without Siouxsie? RHCP without Keidis or Flea? Would you fook,they are all integral members of their bands & the main focal points.Do not let the memory of such a monumental & influential band be soured by seeing them carry on without someone who is as much responsible for the bands sound & therefore for them being N.O. in the first place,by just being a pale,karaoke shadow.Not a fookin' chance

Re: Ordah!

Snorri xxx

let Jack step in as "the new Hooky." new bassist, same name. problem solved.

Chris Nash wrote:

Snorrimon wrote: Re: Ordah!

Snorri xxx

Think that comment has just inadvertently given us the answer to Hooky's replacement...

Aye, and Barney, Steve and Phil...

Snorri xxx

is this thread still going? I don't want to speculate about their future, whatever happens will happen. If it will be as good as before, well let's wait and see.

ANDY ROURKE FOR BASS BEYOTCHES!!!!!!!!!

i think peter hook will go back to new order if they'll release songs like "working overtime" as a single.

peter hook should stop being drama queen everybodys going to see him as a dj just because to see legend himself, right ?

or he can sit and mourning about the good old days, watching loads of bands stealing chords/artworks/attidute from them.

Im getting pretty pissed off with the hero worship that surrounds Peter Hook. I think Hooky should stop being an arse. As for his 'DJ-ing skills', I saw him 'perform' at Cardiff Calling last year. It basically consisted of him playing JD cds, shouting 'whooo' a lot, kicking his legs in the air, and putting his arms behind his head. What an artist.

I'm curious, does Hooky play any techno/trance at his DJ sets? Does he do any scratching?

To me ...... there is no New Order without 'Hooky' , his sound an stage presence was attrcted me to JD/NO so thats it in my eyes. I know a band is bigger than one member, but Hooky just had that 'edge' you know.

When Cornwell left the Stranglers I was devastated, but it was Burnel/Greenfield that gave the stranglers there sound.Now, Cornwell is'nt missed, Baz Warne who plays guitar , and now taken over the vocals has gave them the 'edge' again.

Gary wrote:

New Order could carry on without Hooky, when it comes down to it, the most important person in any band is the lead singer.

You can't argue that Hooky is a very big character, and has been a very important part of New Order and his trademark bass is part of the New Order sound... but then again we all still bought Republic!

And some of us refuse to listen beyond the first couple of tracks, also...

hooky is irreplacable. Hell, I could do it myself, but I think that it would be in poor taste. even for gallup to do it. Simon Raymonde I would enjoy seeing in there tho cause he would straighten them up a bit for the albums ;)

Isamu wrote: I personally think they should replace Hooky with Mike Joyce.

umm cause they need another drummer? I bet Andy Rourke is who you are meaning sir. And given the whole thing with Andy Rourke, Mani and Hooky I doubt either of those 2 end up in the band. They will probably just DAT it, or Phil could play bass and get Gillian back in on keys/guitars. Either that or hire Wolfgang VanHalen!

pumped full of drugs wrote: Replace Hooky with a TB303 Roland Bass Simulator... if the guys can still remember how to work that machine.

How can you even contemplate going on without Peter Hook...?! The band is damn close to karoke with Bernard reading the autocue over it as it is, and now you say Hooky can be replaced, just have somebody imitate him. The synths/ programming are already memorex as it is and the guitar has been outsourced to a studio hand. Maybe Bernard to record a new album and just have people produce the record for him, just like Depeche Mode and Madonna.

The last two records and tours have been a fun encore to their career, but don't turn New Order into a total joke

you're so right. not a coincidence given our close proximity ;)

And some of us refuse to listen beyond the first couple of tracks, also...

well bad for you then. "special" is still fucking great.