new order still together

http://www.nme.com/news/new-order/29820

linus sulanki wrote: http://www.nme.com/news/new-order/29820

Full text for those who don't want to go to the NME site:

New Order to carry on without Peter Hook? Band to continue despite bassist's walk out

New Order without bassist Peter Hook after band members Bernard Sumner and Stephen Morris issued a statement today (July 20) saying they vowing to continue.

The pair's statement comes after former bassist Hook claimed recently that he is not working with his bandmates anymore.

Sumner and Morris declared: "After 30 years in a band together we are very disappointed that Hooky has decided to go to the press and announce unilaterally that New Order have split up. We would have hoped that he could have approached us personally first. He does not speak for all the band, therefore we can only assume he no longer wants to be a part of New Order."

Last week's Hook told NME.COM that the band was over explaining: "We've decided not to work together anymore. It's been on-off-on for a while and last time we just went out separate ways."

Sumner and Morris did not reveal any plans about the band's future without Hook, only to declare that "New Order have NOT split up, they continue to exist".

Ah, the sweet sound of toys being thrown out of prams....

OK. This is weird. I had a conversation this morning with a bloke I've known for years who is a big part of "the scene" up here. He insited that they are being offered for festivals next year with the bloke who plays Ian Curtis in the movie joining them on stage for a JD set. He insisted he wasn't at the wind up and said that this is what was behind Geoff Ellis's comments in the Daily Record the other week about getting Joy Divisoon to do next year's T In The Park.

Shirley not?

can anyone actually confirm that this is a proper statement from barney and steve or are NME just making this up?

Jim Reilly Reilly for bassist... or me on bass.

Not a suprise.......kinda thought this would happen

I was just about to leave work when BBC latest popped up.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6909106.stm

You never know, Stephen & Bernard might just become the new Pet Shop Boys.

It's that time in the career when they have to drag out the Session Musician directory. Calling Pino Paladino....

...there's always Mark King (Twaaaaang!)

Great NEWS

Now also being reported on Yahoo!

Here.

So what are we supposed to believe? Personally I think the Order without Hooky would be a tragedy. He was such an integral part that he just can't be replaced by some blank-faced session geezer for Gretton's sake!

Right, whens the tour :)

Anyways... the Bunnymen are still class and there is only two of the originals left.

Hooky should invite Gillian to join Freebass. That would set the cat among the pigeons. Trouble at farm. Tanks amok.

Go on Hooky, you know it makes sense. 2 vs 2. Genius from chaos. Music's always the winner. Or is it the bookies ?

If they do replace Hooky I hope it's someone who stands and glowers at the audience like the Hook of old rather than the chimp running around like a twat for the last few years.

There's a set worth of material that wouldn't rely on his sound I'm sure....

HaciendaThat wrote: I was just about to leave work when BBC latest popped up.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6909106.stm

You never know, Stephen & Bernard might just become the new Pet Shop Boys.

It's that time in the career when they have to drag out the Session Musician directory. Calling Pino Paladino....

...there's always Mark King (Twaaaaang!)

I can vouch for Pino Paladino - hes currently playing with the Who. He is a very accomplished Bass player.

They´ve made Hooky´s motion-capture during the WFTSC sessions, so the idea for the next tour would be put Barney, Steven and Phil playing live against a blue screen, then project the CGI Hook and create new basslines digitally.

...So the new album could have Peter Jackson as producer perhaps?

recycle wrote: Right, whens the tour :)

Anyways... the Bunnymen are still class and there is only two of the originals left.

And remember that Pete de Freitas sounded so important to Echo & The Bunnymen with his-only-style of playing drums, as Hook sounds to New Order with his bass. Neverthless, music is not a exact science this proves its the possibility.

Now I'm really confused...

Instead of replacing Hooky, is the norm not that Barney will take his position and they can audition for a new singer ?

Colin Simpson wrote: Instead of replacing Hooky, is the norm not that Barney will take his position and they can audition for a new singer ?

Might be, if Barney was a bassplayer.

Chris Nash wrote: It didn't stop him being the vocalist...

Yes, but they can't put bass notation on his autocue, or can they?

Also being reported at ...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6909106.stm

JOHM TAMS-GRAY TAMS-GRAY wrote: Also being reported at ...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6909106.stm

great first post. next one in 2012?

i'm tempted of asking hookster at his dj set on saturday what's the deal, what's this all about, but i'm scared he's gonna smash his technics 1200 on my noggin... eh, i'll just do it anyways...

Colin Simpson wrote: Instead of replacing Hooky, is the norm not that Barney will take his position and they can audition for a new singer ?

My vote for a new Bass would be that gay feller from 'N Sync.

Sara could be the new bassist

How about Sting?

*cough*theangelsaregonnahaveafielddaywiththisone!*cough*

get Jack in?

ShugZViking wrote: Right, I'm aff to get pissed!

WELL DONE

mark reed wrote: get Jack in?

yes! make Jack become the new Hooky. plus, he's half as young as Phil and Phil was half as young as the rest of 'em. makes perfect sense.

mark reed wrote: get Jack in?

aye,would certainly be an experience for him!

ShugZViking wrote: It just wouldnae be the same without Hooky.

But fuck me, I could do with a gig or two

I feel exactly the same

If New Order really are going to continue as a two piece with hired hands then they might as well fuck Dawn Zee (and the other anonymous session chicks) off as backing singers and recruit my two dogs Checkers and Marbles instead. I'm sure theyd go down a real treat. :p

oh, COME ON ,, this is great news............

im waiting for the bassists call

79 order wrote: oh, COME ON ,, this is great news............

im waiting for the bassists call

I agree, it's actually AWESOME news.

[Erm, The Electronic Two, anyone? ]

New Order-Hooky=Electronic (though in this case, with better drums).

If Hooky wants to be a nob, let him, let the band die, but DON'T let it turn into the Lie Dream of the Casino Soul Scene.

HaciendaThat wrote: Hooky should invite Gillian to join Freebass. That would set the cat among the pigeons. Trouble at farm. Tanks amok.

Go on Hooky, you know it makes sense. 2 vs 2. Genius from chaos. Music's always the winner. Or is it the bookies ?

Got to be those three or no three. It could all go a bit Stone Roses at Reading I think. Don't like the idea of them doing Joy Division songs with an actor singing either. I can understand people wanting to still see them live, but without Hooky it isn't new order. although i'd still go, obviously, in case they do face up.

79 order wrote: oh, COME ON ,, this is great news............

im waiting for the bassists call

new name: "BEyond Two"

why not just recruit simon gallup. he was always one for shit hooky impersonations anyhow..

er.

Ah bugger. I'm going straight back to bed and when I reawaken this will all have been a bad dream.

You've all made a quantum leap.

Sure, NO can exist without Hooky. They won't play live, but will either have Bernard doing bass in the studio, or get someone in to do it.

Bernard is well known for his not wanting to play live, and doesn't exactly take much persuasion to not gig.

There won't be (m)any more gigs if they do carry on without Hooky, even if they get Jim Reilly Jim Reilly on bass!

I expect Hookys reaction to be the same as what he stated before. Something like, 'Sure they can continue, but not under the name New Order. We made a pact that when one member leaves for any reason, the remaining members must drop the existing name,' whatever something like that crappy statement.

I wonder why Phil does not talk??

Indeed!

Sub-Cultured wrote: I expect Hookys reaction to be the same as what he stated before. Something like, 'Sure they can continue, but not under the name New Order. We made a pact that when one member leaves for any reason, the remaining members must drop the existing name,' whatever something like that crappy statement.

I wonder why Phil does not talk??

Indeed!

Could it have something to do with the fact that he isnt anything more than a stand in session player?

for me anyway

Phil, Barney and Steve as New Order.. wonder how they'd sound?

Would they sound like the second half of Republic which as I understand was Hooky-less with a little bit of guitar noodling, like "Hey Now What you doing"?

That doesn't sound like New Order to me. :(

Not sure bout this one,Hooky's bass IS the quintessential (prob spelt wrong) sound of new order and personally i dont think anyone else could pull it off.

I think they'll be bigger than Pink Floyd!! Or maybe someone else said that the last time a band member left. I forget.

I'd think it would be great if they carried on but that means that they have to do something... release the rest of the WFSTC or make a new one. I hope they do either soon but I won't put money on it. This would be the year to do it with Control and 100 Joy Division offspring bands out there.

They could ask ME!!!

And I could bring my new axe! My lovely IBANEZ Active Bass!!

I don't come cheap......errm some say I don't come at all...

Hopefully this is all a storm in a teacup anyway, looks like Barney & Steve are calling Hooky's bluff...and if the egos get sorted out hopefully it will be businesses as usual. But how sad is it the band are communicating by media release?

I HAVE TWO NAMES FOR NEW ORDER FOR A TEMPORARY BASSIST:

ALEX KATUNICH

-formerly of ehhh....Incubus.Love that man...that bassist..he is the man! :)

Maybe they can get a producer to do most of the music now, just like Depeche Mode. And be a live Joy Division tribute band with a session guitarist and session bassist, with Steve on drums, and Bernard dancing badly or something. And become a big joke.

Bernard and Steve can still go on and make music, thou to be honest they don't seem terribly inspired at this point. Just don't pretend that they are the same.

I think this is all about keeping their options open rather than let Hooky decide it's over for them.

Time will tell, I'm sure there's no great rush at the moment to do much of anything.

johnny james wrote: I think this is all about keeping their options open rather than let Hooky decide it's over for them.

Time will tell, I'm sure there's no great rush at the moment to do much of anything.

Sorry mate, I think you have mistaken this for a rational discussion forum, and in consequence, gone and posted sense.

Run before you get banned! ;)

Come on Guys.... Sting,Sarah,Jack,Chris,Gillian, Simon Gallup....there is no New Order anymore without Hooky.

I'm sorry.This is NOT good news.I'm not having a NEW ORDER without Hooky,it wouldn't be fookin' NEW ORDER!! Barney & Steve can carry on as something else,but not NEW ORDER,it's a fookin' joke,& I'm gutted this is even being considered,it's an insult to what NEW ORDER were & are.& I'm personally quite surprised my fellow NOOLers would even go for this.It's been mentioned that The Bunnymen still carry on without Pete De Freitas & Les,but with respect,it's hardly the same thing,Hooky is such an integral part of what NEW ORDER were/are,he's more than just 'the bass sound',he's a focal point,a mouthpiece ( the only one sometimes! ),a tour de force.To even imagine them still being NEW ORDER is,to me,an absolute,definate 100% no no.At this stage,I would not even consider buying material under the name of NEW ORDER if Hooky was not part of it.End of.

& the more I listen to that fookin' Indesit advert & contemplate that 'Hey Now...' would be the way forward,keep it.Movement,PC&L & LowLife it fookin' ain't

Mr Jarvo, who is that picture of on your profile?

I'm confused now.Hooky was saying over the last few months that he's gutted that there's no more New Order .But now there IS going to be more New Order Hooky doesn't want to be in it

He's pissed if there isn't and pissed if there is

I'll have a cup of coffee and try and wake up a bit

recycle wrote: Right, whens the tour :)

Anyways... the Bunnymen are still class and there is only two of the originals left.

Bit of an unrealistic comparison really as the drummer had no choice in a reunion (he's dead).

I'm not sure it will work even if they get a shit-hot bass player (such as Guy Pratt for example). Its also about chemistry on a stage and they will lose a lot of that. We'll be left with Sumners running on the spot and 'whoo-hoo' in the middle of every song - not sure I'd wanna pay 30 quid to see that.

Equally The Damned are but a very poor shadow of themselves with two original members.

El Jarvo wrote:

marcus mee wrote: Mr Jarvo, who is that picture of on your profile?

David Preece, Luton legend. Passed away on Thursday.

Thought it was- just read about on my local team Torquay's website- only played a few times for us, though. Very sad- puts this petty squabbling into perspective, doesn't it? Said it before- LIFES TOO SHORT FOR ALL THIS

marcus mee wrote: Mr Jarvo, who is that picture of on your profile?

Well -I initially thought it was a classic member of the mid 80's Deuschland team, whom i had a pair of adidas footy boots endorsed by. Alas - my knowledge of L.T is somewhat limited.

Im sure that a lot of us on her would venture ou to see Barney, Steve n Phil 'do' some sort of show (i would). Its nice to see them finally oficially post a positive statement re-affirming that the band does now have a 'forever' changing line-up and one bloke is not the main player

El Jarvo wrote:

marcus mee wrote: Mr Jarvo, who is that picture of on your profile?

David Preece, Luton legend. Passed away on Thursday.

He was a popular player at Walsall where he started. 44, no age, RIP.

The best and worst of news... Or something... At least it's livened things up around here a bit...

Snorri xxx

hopefully this is the remains (sic?) of new order buying time. someone needs to stick a couple of e's in hooky's beer to get all loved up and emotional. phone barney, get it sorted and then play 6 low key venues with some new angry material. bedale chantry hall venue no.6 (capacity 300?)

Mr. Disco wrote: They´ve made Hooky´s motion-capture during the WFTSC sessions, so the idea for the next tour would be put Barney, Steven and Phil playing live against a blue screen, then project the CGI Hook and create new basslines digitally.

...So the new album could have Peter Jackson as producer perhaps?

Nah! It'll be Stephen Hague again, he always hated Hooky's basslines!

Doctor? wrote:

johnny james wrote: I think this is all about keeping their options open rather than let Hooky decide it's over for them.

Time will tell, I'm sure there's no great rush at the moment to do much of anything.

Sorry mate, I think you have mistaken this for a rational discussion forum, and in consequence, gone and posted sense.

Run before you get banned! ;)

Damn coffee on keyboard moment.

El Jarvo wrote:

Villa Mark wrote:

El Jarvo wrote:

marcus mee wrote: Mr Jarvo, who is that picture of on your profile?

David Preece, Luton legend. Passed away on Thursday.

He was a popular player at Walsall where he started. 44, no age, RIP.

I know, had a look at one of their messageboards this morning and the outpouring of grief was amazing considering he only had 2-3(?) seasons tops there as a youngster. Guess you never forget your own?

Bet you don't remember who he scored against on his Luton debut though, Mark?!

Nice Le Coq Sportif kit we had in those days.

Hope that the other three release something with or without Hook. Most of us will buy it, hate it, say terrible things about it and listen several times a week. (Just like the other releases)

Can't say I'm thrilled about this. Will give any Hooky-free NO a fair listen though.

As for filling the bass slot: that guy out of the Cure sounds just like him...

Honestly,what would be the fookin' point? Why carry on as NEW ORDER,& I'm trying to ask a pertinant question,but what would be the relevance now? It's one thing to record/release/tour with what amounts to the original line-up,being labelled as legendary & respected to the hilt,with diminishing returns both in sales & plaudits,but to carry on under said respected/legendary/mythical name,just amounts to tainting all that has gone before.Ok,I wouldn't want to shoot down in flames any propective release by Barney & Steve by saying Hooky was the creative force,because he was one of 3/4,but it wouldn't be NEW ORDER however you look at it.Maybe I'm just a purist,but also maybe,one/quite a lot of people on here are also getting letting their hearts rule their heads.It's ok to love & cherish what we have & have had,but another to let all that get sullied.& I mean this with utmost respect to Barney,Steve & Phil too.I'm up for the point of the statement being to keep their options open,as Hooky does not obviously speak for the band,fair enough,but I'd rather them call it a day right now than to see that name become a fookin' parody of what the legendary status that they now hold.

& now,I'll shut the fook up

Steve and Barney should change the name and get a new bassist. My choice? The ubercool Kim Deal.

BRILLIANT! I hope in time Hooky rejoins after he realises the pointlessness of Freebass though (IMHO mind you!) =]

Burt Reynolds wrote:

Chris Nash wrote: It didn't stop him being the vocalist...

Yes, but they can't put bass notation on his autocue, or can they?

Do they put guitar notation on his autocue?

To me, this is good news. How I see it is that the three of them (or the four of them) didn't all agree to disband. It's just one pig-headed band member who is dissatisfied with something making a hiss about it. It's like "if you don't want to do this, then I'm living" and the rest of the band still haven't call him back so the situation is how it is now. If Sumner and Morris still want to continue, then there's still a chance that they'll convince Hook to come back. That's much better than if all of them decided to split, that's 3 to convince to go back together.

You know, I did note the Angels were gonna have a field day, but I never really spoke up on this myself. Chuffed to podge.

For one, good news, good news, and good news. So Hooky's left the band. News flash: Big fookin' deal! While it's a bit of a bummer that the Bassman's jumped ship [and behind his bandmates' backs even, mind you!!], I still have some hope that it'll probably be all for the best. Barney and Steve'll probably never play live again, but I still think that if they crank up some synths and guitars and can still pull off a killer Blue Monday then, fookin' hell!! Go for it, boys!

Yeah, sorta bummed that Hooky's jumped ship. To which I respond with the following.

Oh well. VIVA LA ORDER!!

well, no one could ever replace Hook but good news nonetheless. They'll get it sorted out..

Right , watch this and then imagine Barney , Steve and Phil doing it WITHOUT Hooky.Yeah right.Not that they ever do Sunrise anymore but you get what i'm saying ??!!

Beatrice Hatherley provided guest vocals on WFTSC, and she currently plays bass with Zoot Woman, who Sturat Price used to be involved with.

I used to work with her a few years back - she's a very nice girl, and still owes me £10!!

Shedjacker wrote: Right , watch this and then imagine Barney , Steve and Phil doing it WITHOUT Hooky.Yeah right.Not that they ever do Sunrise anymore but you get what i'm saying ??!!

True, but I think Bernard, if his reputation as song architect is based on truth, often let Hooky do the riffing since guitar and vocals simultaneously were a bit difficult. In other words, the music and aesthetic evolved partly to suit needs; whatever Hooky claims, he rarely played super high on the bass during JD's days, he sounded a lot more like Wobble than the Hooky of today. The music will continue to evolve to suit needs, as Get Ready and WFTSC demonstrated the need/desire to return the prominence of (some) distorted, punky guitar.

Peter Winfield wrote: Steve and Barney should change the name and get a new bassist. My choice? The ubercool Kim Deal.

She's wild yet can't see much chance of it. Never have the NO alchemy w/ out Peter Hook Bass. Will the parties concerned simply Kiss an make- up. Re- Record Brotherhood- 'Way of Life. That WFTSC as an ablum and Krafty at its slickest gets slagged at all, think, is more than slightly insane. Official site Catching the headline front page BBC.co.uk last night. It's gone all fashionable Times or The Guardian Online..

Without Hooky's bass, New Order will sound like a 3rd-rate band (i.e. shit) - bit like Depeche Mode! :p

The more I think about this, the more I think it's maybe just Barney & Steve saving face and trying not to spoil their future.

It's like, when they last took a long break, 93-98, they never once said they'd "split" but it was generally assumed so. I don't think Barney & Steve like the idea that Hooky has said that "split" word. Because that then means when and if they do get back together it looks like a money-making reunion.

It's also a bit strange that this all comes about 2 months after Hooky has said his piece AND also handly coincides with him away in America doing his DJ sets!! Maybe they're a bit scared of being paid a visit...? :dead:

Official statement in full on WIM

JV wrote:

True, but I think Bernard, if his reputation as song architect is based on truth, often let Hooky do the riffing since guitar and vocals simultaneously were a bit difficult. In other words, the music and aesthetic evolved partly to suit needs; whatever Hooky claims, he rarely played super high on the bass during JD's days, he sounded a lot more like Wobble than the Hooky of today. The music will continue to evolve to suit needs, as Get Ready and WFTSC demonstrated the need/desire to return the prominence of (some) distorted, punky guitar.

Two things come to mind regarding that.....

Firstly, a lot of Hooky's "lower" JD lines are still "up the neck" just on the A and E, he is right about that making things louder, the same energy being confined to a shorted string increases amplitiude. Secondly, when Barney adhered to the "guitar, THEN vocals, THEN guitar" system, NO rocked and Barney could keep it together. Now he's started "comping" (look it up) like a fucking tube station busker and it wrecks his singing AND his playing....twat! Lord save us all from singers with a squidlynoisemaker round their necks.

New order without hooky.not fooking sure about that .better think about that a while ok jj burnell has bass player

Doctor? wrote:

JV wrote:

True, but I think Bernard, if his reputation as song architect is based on truth, often let Hooky do the riffing since guitar and vocals simultaneously were a bit difficult. In other words, the music and aesthetic evolved partly to suit needs; whatever Hooky claims, he rarely played super high on the bass during JD's days, he sounded a lot more like Wobble than the Hooky of today. The music will continue to evolve to suit needs, as Get Ready and WFTSC demonstrated the need/desire to return the prominence of (some) distorted, punky guitar.

Two things come to mind regarding that.....

Firstly, a lot of Hooky's "lower" JD lines are still "up the neck" just on the A and E, he is right about that making things louder, the same energy being confined to a shorted string increases amplitiude. Secondly, when Barney adhered to the "guitar, THEN vocals, THEN guitar" system, NO rocked and Barney could keep it together. Now he's started "comping" (look it up) like a fucking tube station busker and it wrecks his singing AND his playing....twat! Lord save us all from singers with a squidlynoisemaker round their necks.

I've noticed we've exchanged bits now and then analyzing the musicianship, which I enjoy even if we disagree now and then. I'm well aware Hooky was frequently midrange during JD, but there was nothing close to Chosen Time, EGG, the high part on Temptation, PK, etc, sans the verse to SLC (Well, guess the six string made it's debut on H&S, but you get my point).

As far as Bernard goes, here's what I think you mean by comping: He's playing along on occasion to a backing track of his guitar, even with Phil there. Haven't heard it, but I can believe it, as Regret always had a doubled guitar even back in '93 (at least on the live stuff I've heard). If you're referring to studio work, all of them are comping, most of all Hooky, unless Bernard can't even focus vocally when it comes to studio time.

I'm not keen on NO without Hooky. In my opinion, bad play, but Hooky's got a half dozen against him; myspace is a corny was to spread "announcements", fan contact or no contact. I hope this matter gets resolved without getting really stupid, as it's already pretty lame right now.

New Order without Hooky? or no New Order at all?

There's got be only one answer really, to quote Mr Hook himself from his own blog '...life goes on'.

So it won't be the same, so what, the past does not equal the future,

If Steve and Barney did record together, I for one would actually be quite curious as to what they could come up with. I'd rather have New Order without Hooky than any of their side projects.

Gary wrote: New Order without Hooky? or no New Order at all?

I'd rather have New Order without Hooky than any of their side projects.

I suppose so

Jeffari-al-Texani wrote:

twp wrote:

Gary wrote: New Order without Hooky? or no New Order at all?

I'd rather have New Order without Hooky than any of their side projects.

I suppose so

New order without Hooky IS a side project...

maybe they should change their name to Electronic Two

Surely New Order without Hooky is New Order without Hooky, has New Order been a side project since Gillian left?

The point I am trying to make is if Hooky has left, so what?

We're either left with a New Order without Hooky, or No New Order at all.

If Steve and Barney do something together we can judge it then, if they don't we haven't lost anything.

Jeffari-al-Texani wrote: Yeah...another album like Republic...

I can't fucking wait...

Fine, don't buy it,

I doubt very much if they would ever record anything without Hooky, and I don't disagree that it would not be the same. Hooky is a very important part of New Order's sound.

What I don't understand is why people are getting so upset by Barney and Steve's statement.

We still have all the albums and memories from 1980 to 2006, you can't take that away, if New Order still exists without Hooky, why does that bother people so much? as I said before the alternative is New Order not existing at all, does it make much difference? probably not... life goes on

I dont think that they will replace Peter with anyone, they'll simply rely solely on synth bass. Isn't that for the most part what Berney did in Electronic?

J

Right, so New Order minus Hooky is no longer New Order, but Electronic minus Johnny Marr is still Electronic? Don't think so.

They said the same thing when Alan Wilder left Depeche Mode and they've released some quality stuff since then. The Red Hot Chili Peppers lost Slovak they looked finished, especially hiring some then teenage crazy person named John Frusciante. Some bands can survive losing key members, some can't. Let's give them a chance.

Jackson Withrow wrote: They said the same thing when Alan Wilder left Depeche Mode and they've released some quality stuff since then. The Red Hot Chili Peppers lost Slovak they looked finished, especially hiring some then teenage crazy person named John Frusciante. Some bands can survive losing key members, some can't. Let's give them a chance.

And a in agreement.

Jeffari-al-Texani wrote:

twp wrote:

Gary wrote: New Order without Hooky? or no New Order at all?

I'd rather have New Order without Hooky than any of their side projects.

I suppose so

New order without Hooky IS a side project...

maybe they should change their name to Electronic Two

Why not???

Hooky will definitely go nuts (as he is right now!) when the remaining two plus Phil continued to use the name New Order. As he (Hooky) stated before, 'they can continue, but not with the name New Order for we had a pact when one of the original member leaves for any reason, they must drop the name, blah blah blah.' I personally want the remaining members to continue using the name New Order, but then, it might just widen the rift with the bass master. So to avoid a bigger conflict, yes, so change the name. I don't mind the remaining members doing a "side-project" using a different name. But please, not the name Electronic Two.

Indeed!

Jeffari-al-Texani wrote:

JV wrote: Right, so New Order minus Hooky is no longer New Order, but Electronic minus Johnny Marr is still Electronic? Don't think so.

If I want your opinion I'll beat it out of you...

What is this, sixth grade? Piss off.

Gary wrote: What I don't understand is why people are getting so upset by Barney and Steve's statement.

That's pretty much my thoughts on this too mate. Yes Hooky is an integral part of what I and a lot us love about NO and Republic and the '93-'98 hiatus which followed was perhaps not their finest hour but it's a bit premature to judge how good or bad future material and direction of NO may be under Bernard and Steve and with or without Hooky until it happens, if it ever does? Could be good, could be s***e but wait and see and give it a chance! Cheers!

JV wrote:

Jeffari-al-Texani wrote:

JV wrote: Right, so New Order minus Hooky is no longer New Order, but Electronic minus Johnny Marr is still Electronic? Don't think so.

If I want your opinion I'll beat it out of you...

What is this, sixth grade? Piss off.

To save quoting our exchange above...

"comping" is best defined as randomly keeping time by battering the current chord....busker style, and Barney has adopted it, and it makes him look a pleb, bob in and out from the mic, and generally look unhappy and sound cack.

Doctor? wrote:

JV wrote:

Jeffari-al-Texani wrote:

JV wrote: Right, so New Order minus Hooky is no longer New Order, but Electronic minus Johnny Marr is still Electronic? Don't think so.

If I want your opinion I'll beat it out of you...

What is this, sixth grade? Piss off.

To save quoting our exchange above...

"comping" is best defined as randomly keeping time by battering the current chord....busker style, and Barney has adopted it, and it makes him look a pleb, bob in and out from the mic, and generally look unhappy and sound cack.

Oh ok, haven't heard that term in the states. Two questions: 1) What was the impetus for this? And 2), Didn't he start to do this back in the mid-80s? For instance, YSF on record has that delicate guitar interplay during the bridge where Hooky plays the melodic lead, but live I've only heard Bernard vamp on C, even going back to Reading '89 or before.

Depeche Mode losing Alan Wilder,RHCP losing Slovak,etc.,etc.,is nowhere near the same fookin' thing.They both had not been going 30 years,had both not achieved legendary/influential/whatever -you-want status,had both not been a part of TWO fookin' great bands,& the said members weren't exactly Hooky in terms of what 'their sound' was,ie.,they were replaceable & have been.Sure you can argue that in ten years time Hooky could've turned out to be that,but after 27 years of being N.O. & having such a massive part in that,you want them to be in their '60's & be a creaking parody before they achieve it??!! I know opinions & all that,it's just that I'm starting to question the credibility of some so-called fans,if that's what they really want to see.I agree with Barney & steve's statement that Hooky doesn't speak for the band by saying it's all over,but in terms of what N.O. are,where does it really leave them? Don't be misguided by just wanting product because you want to cling to something because you love it so much.Sometimes,because of that,it's better to let it go :\ohwell:

Shedjacker wrote: Right , watch this and then imagine Barney , Steve and Phil doing it WITHOUT Hooky.Yeah right.Not that they ever do Sunrise anymore but you get what i'm saying ??!!

Exactly.Fookin' quality.My very first N.O. gig

Gary wrote: I'd rather have New Order without Hooky than any of their side projects.

Me too.

I have a concrete question:

If Bernard and Steve decide to carry on using the name "New Order", what will happen? Hooky already said that he wouldn't like them to use the name. Does any of them "own" the "new Order" trademark??? Does that mean that we could have a court battle, like Pink Floyd in the 80's??? Man, that would really suck.....

El Jarvo wrote: This is gonna run and run, isn't it?

Am I the only one who thinks Hooky has basically behaved like a bit of a cnut in all this? For once in his life he doesn't 'need' New Order cos he's got D-list DJ status and can make a fast buck without relying on the troops to get his sounds aired. So he flees the nest.

Hooky makes a lot of noise, whilst the other two retain a dignified silence.

I think it's good Barney and Steve are standing steadfast and saying they're still gonna carry on as New Order (in whatever capacity that might be).

Just intrigued what Hooky's response is gonna be now.

Very sad to see him throw his toys out of the pram instead of shutting up.

kel wrote:

Shedjacker wrote: Right , watch this and then imagine Barney , Steve and Phil doing it WITHOUT Hooky.Yeah right.Not that they ever do Sunrise anymore but you get what i'm saying ??!!

Exactly.Fookin' quality.My very first N.O. gig

Now we're talking business

What a thrill

If this is the end, so be it. Nevertheless, I'd like to get a new product, and the most convenient way to get it is through their side-projects. I know it's not the same but it's something that they'll be comfortable enough to work within. At least if it'll be that bad, it won't marr New Order overall legacy.

I just have an impression that Barney doesn't feel like making music anymore at all.

El Jarvo wrote: This is gonna run and run, isn't it?

Am I the only one who thinks Hooky has basically behaved like a bit of a cnut in all this? For once in his life he doesn't 'need' New Order cos he's got D-list DJ status and can make a fast buck without relying on the troops to get his sounds aired. So he flees the nest.

Hooky makes a lot of noise, whilst the other two retain a dignified silence.

I think it's good Barney and Steve are standing steadfast and saying they're still gonna carry on as New Order (in whatever capacity that might be).

Just intrigued what Hooky's response is gonna be now.

Totally agree. At last Re:Order gig i had to question why us NOOLers are helping fund his DJ escapade, rather than boycotting him and helping push him back into doing his real job. Lets face it, he's not very good at spinning the discs.

El Jarvo wrote: This is gonna run and run, isn't it?

Am I the only one who thinks Hooky has basically behaved like a bit of a cnut in all this? For once in his life he doesn't 'need' New Order cos he's got D-list DJ status and can make a fast buck without relying on the troops to get his sounds aired. So he flees the nest.

Hooky makes a lot of noise, whilst the other two retain a dignified silence.

I think it's good Barney and Steve are standing steadfast and saying they're still gonna carry on as New Order (in whatever capacity that might be).

Just intrigued what Hooky's response is gonna be now.

Is that what you really think? I think that's complete bollox.Firstly,never try & second guess,it's just your opinion & sometimes it's you that can end up looking a cnut.Hooky doesn't seem to have a problem with Steve,they did go to the Mojo awards together after all.The problem seems to be with Barney,as it has been before,& Hooky fookin' loves N.O.,so whatever the problem is,it must be serious enough for him to quit.Not because he's a fookin' 'superstar DJ'.For fooks' sake

Jeffari-al-Texani wrote:

JV wrote:

Jeffari-al-Texani wrote:

JV wrote: Right, so New Order minus Hooky is no longer New Order, but Electronic minus Johnny Marr is still Electronic? Don't think so.

If I want your opinion I'll beat it out of you...

What is this, sixth grade? Piss off.

Wow, are you really so thick as to need me to explain it to you? Okay, what side project was Bernard in? Electronic. What side project was Steve in? The Other Two. Put them together, and you get Electronic Two, it works on two different levels, but not quite so simple for you to figure out on your own...fuckinell, you Americans are quite dense, now I see how you fuckwits managed to vote the chimp in for TWO terms. So, maybe this is sixth grade. Now go clean the sand out of your vagina and pull your head out of your arse, then maybe we'll talk.

No, didn't need your explanation. Just like I said, to piss off. You really post a lot of rubbish round here. But this is it from me, 'cause this sparring's not a trace of good humour in it.

Hooky doesn't seem to have a problem with Steve,they did go to the Mojo awards together after all.The problem seems to be with Barney,as it has been before,& Hooky fookin' loves N.O.,so whatever the problem is,it must be serious enough for him to quit.Not because he's a fookin' 'superstar DJ'.For fooks' sake

True, though Steve appeared terribly awkward in that video interview when Hooky made his remarks on the split.

JV wrote: Hooky doesn't seem to have a problem with Steve,they did go to the Mojo awards together after all.The problem seems to be with Barney,as it has been before,& Hooky fookin' loves N.O.,so whatever the problem is,it must be serious enough for him to quit.Not because he's a fookin' 'superstar DJ'.For fooks' sake

True, though Steve appeared terribly awkward in that video interview when Hooky made his remarks on the split.

And they all went to Cannes.... so what? Has Barney quit the group? No. Therefore the problem lies with Hook. Hook is making a nice tidy sum spinning discs - not very well by all accounts (I don't know, I wouldn't dream of going to see a DJ set by any of New Order - I've better music at home!) and all this 'I love to see my fans stuff doesn't wash', 'I love to see my fans pay to see me otherwise I'd do it for nowt' should be nearer the mark.

Other Two things - 1) fuck Depeche Mode - there's nowt to bring to the arguement there, ooooh Alan Wilder we respect his distinctive whatever it is he does on his little metal box don't we 2) Making up silly names based on Electronic or Other Two is stupid. Stop it at once. 3) Never write blogs after you come back from the pub 4) Hook has stated he has no problems with either Barney or Steve. That's four things but Other Four didn't look so good.

kel wrote: Depeche Mode losing Alan Wilder,RHCP losing Slovak,etc.,etc.,is nowhere near the same fookin' thing.They both had not been going 30 years,had both not achieved legendary/influential/whatever -you-want status,had both not been a part of TWO fookin' great bands,& the said members weren't exactly Hooky in terms of what 'their sound' was,ie.,they were replaceable & have been.Sure you can argue that in ten years time Hooky could've turned out to be that,but after 27 years of being N.O. & having such a massive part in that,you want them to be in their '60's & be a creaking parody before they achieve it??!! I know opinions & all that,it's just that I'm starting to question the credibility of some so-called fans,if that's what they really want to see.I agree with Barney & steve's statement that Hooky doesn't speak for the band by saying it's all over,but in terms of what N.O. are,where does it really leave them? Don't be misguided by just wanting product because you want to cling to something because you love it so much.Sometimes,because of that,it's better to let it go :\ohwell:

That's true. If you ask me, Depeche Mode has not done anything good since Alan Wilder departure. He's still not of Hooky's importance though. To me, Hooky is so much more than just a band member. There are bands out there that only one or two members play a big part and the rest play minor parts. William and Jim Reid are The Jesus and Mary Chain, Robert Smith is The Cure, Morrissey and Johnny Marr are The Smiths, Liam and Noel Gallagher are Oasis. I see New Order as one of the most complete and balanced bands out there with everyone putting a share into the group, they're a true team. When people mention New Order , they think of Bernard Sumner, Peter Hook and Stephen Morris. Gillian Gilbert also played a big part of New Order, but the core of the group has always been Barney, Stephen and Hooky. Worse, all three go back to another legendary band that survived a huge lost. Really, he's not just an ordinary band member.

The only reason I think this is good news is that the whole group did not agree to disband. It's a matter of one discontent member. It's also good that Bernard and Stephen did not reveal any plans about the band's future without Peter. They at least have that much respect... for now. After much thought, I think that if Barney and Stephen continues as a group, they have to find another name for themselves. They have to find another Nazi related name to continue the tradition :). Like previously mentioned, I rather see a pairing of Barney and Stephen than another side projects where they go their separate ways. Oh you don't know how much I wish that Freebass fails miserably.

JV wrote: True, though Steve appeared terribly awkward in that video interview when Hooky made his remarks on the split.

What video interview? Do you have a link?

kel wrote: Is that what you really think? I think that's complete bollox.Firstly,never try & second guess,it's just your opinion & sometimes it's you that can end up looking a cnut.Hooky doesn't seem to have a problem with Steve,they did go to the Mojo awards together after all.The problem seems to be with Barney,as it has been before,& Hooky fookin' loves N.O.,so whatever the problem is,it must be serious enough for him to quit.Not because he's a fookin' 'superstar DJ'.For fooks' sake

Well Stephen does seem to agree with Barney about the split at least.

why do some people on here go on as if they know absolutely everything, when in reality they don't know anything...?

[orange]State of Love and Trust [/orange] wrote: why do some people on here go on as if they know absolutely everything, when in reality they don't know anything...?

cos we need you to correct us all Jack, and fill in the blanks.

[orange]State of Love and Trust [/orange] wrote: why do some people on here go on as if they know absolutely everything, when in reality they don't know anything...?

because it's an online message board. the nature of the beast.

not that you could provide any hard answers yourself, just a lot of cheeky innuendo, as per usual.

[orange]State of Love and Trust [/orange] wrote: why do some people on here go on as if they know absolutely everything, when in reality they don't know anything...?

I don't know what to say, you don't care anyway, I'm a man in a rage with....

:\ohwell:

er why do we need jack to fill in the blanks? new order are entertainers,end of really. entertain or fuck off,dont torture us with status quo,where here where not games.

mike powell wrote: er why do we need jack to fill in the blanks? new order are entertainers,end of really. entertain or fuck off,dont torture us with status quo,where here where not games.

quite right. not like Jack could ever really be expected to know the ins and outs of his dad's 30-year working relationship, anyway. more like "This is what my pap briefly told me--now seriously, aren't Pearl Jam great?"

fuck me!!! wake me up when this is over!!! Its been a nice thirty years. thats enough. Thank you.. Goodnite!!!!

One Brain wrote: Hooky said that he talked with the rest of the band and the management about his plans of quitting New Order back in November. Bernard said that he was informed about it by the press. Someone is lying there.

Missed that part about Bernard knowing beforehand. What are you referring to?

Canuck21 wrote:

JV wrote: True, though Steve appeared terribly awkward in that video interview when Hooky made his remarks on the split.

What video interview? Do you have a link?

No, sorry, but I think there was a thread about it last week or the week before. Search for Mojo awards on one of the BBC sites.

jack, that's right we don't know anything. we just know that Hooky is continuing to talk to the press about a split when in fact he doesn't want to be a part of New Order anymore. so in my opinion it's just fair that Steve and Bernard made that statement with a hint they won't make any further comment. it also leaves doors open for Hooky to come back.

it's of course just my point of view, but Hooky really should think abut whether compiling crap Hacienda CDs, being a novelty celebrity DJ and recording with Freebass (heard only one demo, so it's too early to judge them) is his way for the future. as you can see on this forum, all the fans love your dad for what he is, his playing of course, how great he can be when you accidently see him (as I know for myself), but he recently made some bad decisions that leave some bad taste.

For Fucks sake people, get ahold of yer selves! All this arguing and pointless contemplation is borderline childish. Let things lie as they are, let them figure it out....

For Fucks sake people, get ahold of yer selves! All this arguing and pointless contemplation is borderline childish. Let things lie as they are, let them figure it out....

I'm with the Jarhead on this one!

El Jarvo wrote:

kel wrote: Is that what you really think? I think that's complete bollox.Firstly,never try & second guess,it's just your opinion & sometimes it's you that can end up looking a cnut.Hooky doesn't seem to have a problem with Steve,they did go to the Mojo awards together after all.The problem seems to be with Barney,as it has been before,& Hooky fookin' loves N.O.,so whatever the problem is,it must be serious enough for him to quit.Not because he's a fookin' 'superstar DJ'.For fooks' sake

Rrrright, so it's all Barney's fault now, is it?!

New one on me, perhaps you know something we don't?

Hooky doesn't have a problem with Steve because, er, he went to the Mojo awards with him? He was pictured at Cannes with BOTH Steve and Barney. Did you miss that one? Am sure the pics will be here online.

And I don't actually recall Hooky ever saying anything particularly untoward about Barney in all of this. He just doesn't want to be part of New Order anymore. Doesn't appear to be anything sinister about his decision. He's just got other avenues to explore now, other priorities in his life.

Fcuk me, and you accuse me of second-guessing people!

I didn't mention anything about it being Barney's fault,that was my point about people second guessing,but did you miss Hookys' quote about 'me & Bernard have decided not to work together anymore'? Not,'me,Bernard & Steve'.Plus,going to Cannes to promote a film about your group is a bit different than travelling to London for the Mojo awards with just Steve.Read it how you will,that's just my opinion.

Anyway,as Jack mentioned,there's far too many posts about speculation & opinion rather than really knowing anything

FDISK wrote: If they do replace Hooky I hope it's someone who stands and glowers at the audience like the Hook of old rather than the chimp running around like a twat for the last few years.

There's a set worth of material that wouldn't rely on his sound I'm sure....

kel wrote:

El Jarvo wrote:

kel wrote: Is that what you really think? I think that's complete bollox.Firstly,never try & second guess,it's just your opinion & sometimes it's you that can end up looking a cnut.Hooky doesn't seem to have a problem with Steve,they did go to the Mojo awards together after all.The problem seems to be with Barney,as it has been before,& Hooky fookin' loves N.O.,so whatever the problem is,it must be serious enough for him to quit.Not because he's a fookin' 'superstar DJ'.For fooks' sake

Rrrright, so it's all Barney's fault now, is it?!

New one on me, perhaps you know something we don't?

Hooky doesn't have a problem with Steve because, er, he went to the Mojo awards with him? He was pictured at Cannes with BOTH Steve and Barney. Did you miss that one? Am sure the pics will be here online.

And I don't actually recall Hooky ever saying anything particularly untoward about Barney in all of this. He just doesn't want to be part of New Order anymore. Doesn't appear to be anything sinister about his decision. He's just got other avenues to explore now, other priorities in his life.

Fcuk me, and you accuse me of second-guessing people!

I didn't mention anything about it being Barney's fault,that was my point about people second guessing,but did you miss Hookys' quote about 'me & Benard have decided not to work together anymore'? Not,'me,Bernard & Steve'.Plus,going to Cannes to promote a film about your group is a bit different than travelling to London for the Mojo awards with just Steve.Read it how you will,that's just my opinion.

Anyway,as Jack mentioned,there's far too many posts about speculation & opinion rather than really knowing anything

Maybe we don't know the whole story, but surely to avoid speculation and finger pointing, Hooky would've been best off keeping quiet? sorry to use an old playground term but.. 'he started it!!'

COME HOME HOOKY

i'll be their new bassist haha

[orange]State of Love and Trust [/orange] wrote: i'll be their new bassist haha

No offence, but can't we have your Dad? :(

[orange]State of Love and Trust [/orange] wrote: i'll be their new bassist haha

Ooooohhhh....

the first lazy arsed journalist to pick this one up and run with it as a news story wins a bag of pork scratchings

[orange]State of Love and Trust [/orange] wrote: why do some people on here go on as if they know absolutely everything, when in reality they don't know anything...?

is right trusty lad.

people spouting bolly-ocks about something they know nothing about

I'm going to come back to this in a few weeks, it'll either all be sorted out or we'll still be none the wiser... At least it'll save reading pages and pages of speculation and virtual fisticuffs... Makes me wonder how they ever wrote even a half-decent tune if they can't even communicate with each other...

Snorri xxx

I still say this: how can the Order even continue as the Order without him? If the original statement (that Hooky stands by regarding the name) - "if one of us leaves/dies etc, you cannot continue as New Order" - was implimented, why did they continue as NO when Gillian retired? The paradox in this is intriguing: did they regard Gillian as a helping hand rather than a full member?

Not wishing to see my favourite band rip themselves apart amid acrimony, please please please reconsider. What has become so bad that you cannot work together anymore and that one founder member has become disenfranchised to the point where he calls time on something that has been his life for thirty years?

Steve + Barney but - Hooky will not be New Order. It would be better to end things totally than carry on as a pale shadow without the real driving force/soul of the band. Either that or discuss things calmly with Hooky to resolve your differences. The present option is a shit one, Barney and Steve, and you know it is too.

Chris Nash wrote: It didn't stop him being the vocalist...

or trying to play guitar and keyboards etc..

he can pick it up ;)

Due to recent questions that have arisen over the future of New Order at both the Cannes Film Festival and the Mojo Awards, Bernard Sumner and Stephen Morris have today decided to issue a press statement.

Bernard and Stephen - After 30 years in a band together we are very disappointed that Hooky has decided to go to the press and announce unilaterally that New Order have split up. We would have hoped that he could have approached us personally first. He does not speak for all the band, therefore we can only assume he no longer wants to be a part of New Order.

Whatever happens musically or otherwise, New Order have NOT split up, they continue to exist.

New Order will be making no further comment about this matter.

linus sulanki wrote: Due to recent questions that have arisen over the future of New Order at both the Cannes Film Festival and the Mojo Awards, Bernard Sumner and Stephen Morris have today decided to issue a press statement.

Bernard and Stephen - After 30 years in a band together we are very disappointed that Hooky has decided to go to the press and announce unilaterally that New Order have split up. We would have hoped that he could have approached us personally first. He does not speak for all the band, therefore we can only assume he no longer wants to be a part of New Order.

Whatever happens musically or otherwise, New Order have NOT split up, they continue to exist.

New Order will be making no further comment about this matter.

And in other news, Hitler invades Poland

So Steve Morris is Joining Electronic?

They're threatening to play Glasto next year as JOY DIVISION with that sam reilly on vocals?

Hooky whats to design trainers no fucker will wear and play records for a living?

You know Bernard, Peter & Steve i dont think i really give a toss anymore.

The reality is you've all been pissing around since Factory went tits up. I couldn't care less for FreeBass, I wouldn't be arsed about another Electronic album, If Hooky aint on board do you expect me to buy Republic 2?

Oh, and i've really no desire to 'watch' you play Captain & Fuckin Tenille Peter...

In my eyes, you've become everything i thought you never would - a joke. The child like arguing, putting out multiple compilations of stuff i dont want and turning into the Sugarbabes with the new members coming & going.

Do me a favour, make another album as good as the 80's stuff or fuck off. Waiting for the sirens call? Im just waiting for the new Radiohead album NOT your next cliffhanger.

Cunts.

no longer a registered member wrote: So Steve Morris is Joining Electronic?

They're threatening to play Glasto next year as JOY DIVISION with that sam reilly on vocals?

Hooky whats to design trainers no fucker will wear and play records for a living?

You know Bernard, Peter & Steve i dont think i really give a toss anymore.

The reality is you've all been pissing around since Factory went tits up. I couldn't care less for FreeBass, I wouldn't be arsed about another Electronic album, If Hooky aint on board do you expect me to buy Republic 2?

Oh, and i've really no desire to 'watch' you play Captain & Fuckin Tenille Peter...

In my eyes, you've become everything i thought you never would - a joke. The child like arguing, putting out multiple compilations of stuff i dont want and turning into the Sugarbabes with the new members coming & going.

Do me a favour, make another album as good as the 80's stuff or fuck off. Waiting for the sirens call? Im just waiting for the new Radiohead album NOT your next cliffhanger.

Cunts.

sadly, i agree with a lot of this. New Order are beginning to be a bad habit i can't break.

no longer a registered member wrote: So Steve Morris is Joining Electronic?

They're threatening to play Glasto next year as JOY DIVISION with that sam reilly on vocals?

Hooky whats to design trainers no fucker will wear and play records for a living?

You know Bernard, Peter & Steve i dont think i really give a toss anymore.

The reality is you've all been pissing around since Factory went tits up. I couldn't care less for FreeBass, I wouldn't be arsed about another Electronic album, If Hooky aint on board do you expect me to buy Republic 2?

Oh, and i've really no desire to 'watch' you play Captain & Fuckin Tenille Peter...

In my eyes, you've become everything i thought you never would - a joke. The child like arguing, putting out multiple compilations of stuff i dont want and turning into the Sugarbabes with the new members coming & going.

Do me a favour, make another album as good as the 80's stuff or fuck off. Waiting for the sirens call? Im just waiting for the new Radiohead album NOT your next cliffhanger.

Cunts.

As much as it pains me like fook to admit,the lad has a point.Well,a few actually,with a bit more vitriol than I might have put it,but a good read nonetheless

Minx wrote:

[orange]State of Love and Trust [/orange] wrote: i'll be their new bassist haha

Ooooohhhh....

the first lazy arsed journalist to pick this one up and run with it as a news story wins a bag of pork scratchings

And £40 if they can use the words risen, phoenix and ashes in the first two lines

Villa Mark wrote:

El Jarvo wrote:

marcus mee wrote: Mr Jarvo, who is that picture of on your profile?

David Preece, Luton legend. Passed away on Thursday.

He was a popular player at Walsall where he started. 44, no age, RIP.

great pro. decent player RIP

Basically HOOKY is New Order

end fuckin of!!!!!!!!!!

no longer a registered member wrote: So Steve Morris is Joining Electronic?

They're threatening to play Glasto next year as JOY DIVISION with that sam reilly on vocals?

Hooky whats to design trainers no fucker will wear and play records for a living?

You know Bernard, Peter & Steve i dont think i really give a toss anymore.

The reality is you've all been pissing around since Factory went tits up. I couldn't care less for FreeBass, I wouldn't be arsed about another Electronic album, If Hooky aint on board do you expect me to buy Republic 2?

Oh, and i've really no desire to 'watch' you play Captain & Fuckin Tenille Peter...

In my eyes, you've become everything i thought you never would - a joke. The child like arguing, putting out multiple compilations of stuff i dont want and turning into the Sugarbabes with the new members coming & going.

Do me a favour, make another album as good as the 80's stuff or fuck off. Waiting for the sirens call? Im just waiting for the new Radiohead album NOT your next cliffhanger.

Cunts.

POST of the day and SHUG gets a mention!

nice one steve

ally wrote:

no longer a registered member wrote: So Steve Morris is Joining Electronic?

Still not entirely sure how Steve "joining" Barney is Electronic when Johnny Marr is nowhere to be seen?

I do - it's simple!

(Electronic, to me, just sounded like New Order without bass - at least early Electronic was...)

Bloody hell is this still going on? I was thinking today that New Order without Hooky for soem reason reminds me of what BIGINOIL posted the other week about Barney sitting down to piss like a lady .Why is there a connection there?

I think Barney would feel so lost on stage without Hooky he would sit down and piss like a lady .That must be it , yes

I didn't say anything like that.

Did I

Yes, and you were planning to get some t shirts knocked up saying 'Barney Sits Down And Pisses Like A Lady'.For £40 a throw

I wondered what all these cheques were for.

They've been arriving for days.

Do I...

Seems like I do!

I agree with you. i think hooky acted like a twat just because he is maken money out of being a dj.

i hope new order do some more live shows. im sure we see some older new order songs being played live. ones like sooner then you think face up mr disco

F**k me you are all a bunch of old ladies. You would think you live for the order!! Oh yes i forgot you do. No like the other boy said let them get on with it!! New order with out any one of them would not be the new order we know and love, but we would all go and see them, if for nothing else out of curiosity

I've said it before. I thought they were toast after '93, and getting this post '98 bonus run to me is just a giant bonus.

Thanks for the memories, it's been classic!!

Dont' really give a shit who did or said what.

ally wrote:

no longer a registered member wrote: So Steve Morris is Joining Electronic?

Still not entirely sure how Steve "joining" Barney is Electronic when Johnny Marr is nowhere to be seen?

Good point there, Ally. :\ohwell: Good point.

[orange]State of Love and Trust [/orange] wrote: i'll be their new bassist haha

Nah, I prefer Jeff Ament!:D

Indeed!

Sub-Cultured wrote:

[orange]State of Love and Trust [/orange] wrote: i'll be their new bassist haha

Nah, I prefer Jeff Ament!:D

Indeed!

so do i

jeff ament

Well, according to the missus, Radio 1 played BM yesterday afternoon because the band was no ore as Hooky had left... I think she expected a bit more of a reaction from me, as opposed to me shaking my head and muttering 'Cnuts'...

Snorri xxx