new Hooky blag post

yeahh, it's about time to stop talking shit. We must leave Hooky and Jack alone.

someday it was going to happen. New Order split up that's it

no, no! keep the bullshit spewing. that way hooky will get fed up with his blog and return to the nice dignified silence that everyone wants.

His Holiness, The Pope wrote: no, no! keep the bullshit spewing. that way hooky will get fed up with his blog and return to the nice dignified silence that everyone wants.

Totally agree.. C'mon, we didnt start it..

And Jack if we don't know it all then get your dad to either tell us it all on his blog, or just 'return to a dignified silence', purleease...

in that point of view, i think you guys are right...everybody needs some rest. So if hooky wants to say something to the band, he should give them a call or mail them

What you guys want is for New Order to be like a fake marriage between two spouses who don't speak to each other, where the couple pretends to carry on with the marriage for appearences, silent fake forced smiles... for the sake of the kids, or in this the fans.. for the fans. This is stupid! New Order should only be a group if it is an actual group.

Show Hooky some respect, he seems like he has been very nice to a lot of you guys, it's not like he is happy about the situation.

ally wrote:

How's the boycott of the Barney/Steve incarnation of NO going by the way, PFOD?

Boycott was just a silly jest... it is just so sad to see the band becoming a joke/facade like most the other past their prime outfits. How to imagine how one could get terribly excited about anything forthcoming, whatever that may be.

[orange]State of Love and Trust [/orange] wrote: this is such bullshit

if you lot actually knew anything close to the truth, which you don't, then you wouldn't be giving him all this crap

No we don't know what's going on. Either tell everything or don't tell at all.

pumped full of drugs wrote: What you guys want is for New Order to be like a fake marriage between two spouses who don't speak to each other, where the couple pretends to carry on with the marriage for appearences, silent fake forced smiles... for the sake of the kids, or in this the fans.. for the fans. This is stupid! New Order should only be a group if it is an actual group.

They should manage it as a company. As Hooky says, it was only a company before the break without any personal relationsship, too. Why no more?

pumped full of drugs wrote:

Show Hooky some respect, he seems like he has been very nice to a lot of you guys, it's not like he is happy about the situation.

He's a nice guy. But is there anybody, who needs this thing, what he has started?

Canuck21 wrote:

[orange]State of Love and Trust [/orange] wrote: this is such bullshit

if you lot actually knew anything close to the truth, which you don't, then you wouldn't be giving him all this crap

No we don't know what's going on. Either tell everything or don't tell at all.

Suspect all parties have some sort of legitimate axe to grind and I'm personally not interested in taking sides or "he said/she said" type carry on. It's unfortunate that friendships carved out in the schoolyard have ended up so embittered.

Most are probably wishing he'd would put a lid on it but let's not forget that the candid, upfront nature of Hooky has been a lifeline to NO fans over the years. As he suggests, Hooky's traditionally been the one doing the bulk of the interviews, the press, the appearances, providing some sort of conduit to the fans. It's his nature, for better or worse.

Hopefully all sides can agree to disagree, keep it inhouse, stick the band on 'permanent hiatus' for a while and let it all cool off. Then go record their own projects. If time can heal some of the rifts then perhaps there'll be some inclination to return.

:\pimp3:

Hooky can really SPIN those discs

DIGI MIKE don't yer know wrote: Hooky can really SPIN those discs

I'll have to take your word on that for now.

[orange]State of Love and Trust [/orange] wrote: this is such bullshit

if you lot actually knew anything close to the truth, which you don't, then you wouldn't be giving him all this crap

You mean he missed out on the pizza and only went to the salad bar?

Salad?

I hope you've got a good lawyer, JT.

BIGINOIL wrote: Salad?

I hope you've got a good lawyer, JT.

Can good lawyers make salads??

gazman wrote:

BIGINOIL wrote: Salad?

I hope you've got a good lawyer, JT.

Can good lawyers make salads??

Well they ARE a bunch of vegetables.

I'm resisiting the urge to get involved in this conversational tarbaby, but chivalry prompts me to say that Jack deserves some respect, certainly more than he's being given from some quarters. His position is unique among everyone here. I think everyone should honor that.

*Animadversion* wrote: is barney looking at hooky like he wants to kick his ass in that photo on wikipedia?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_order

pmsl

jack, I'm sorry but you're wrong in this point. this is a forum where people discuss all things New Order, and the facts for all to see are that Hooky keeps posting offensive stuff on his MySpace-site over and over. Bernard and Steve made an official comment that they won't allow Hooky to say when it's over for them with a hint they won't make any other comment here. please decide for yourself what you think is better.

Imagine what would be going on here if Bernard had done this in reverse. and please don't try to stop people arguing here, because it's a forum not the official web site.

joe davola wrote: jack, I'm sorry but you're wrong in this point. this is a forum where people discuss all things New Order, and the facts for all to see are that Hooky keeps posting offensive stuff on his MySpace-site over and over. Bernard and Steve made an official comment that they won't allow Hooky to say when it's over for them with a hint they won't make any other comment here. please decide for yourself what you think is better.

Imagine what would be going on here if Bernard had done this in reverse. and please don't try to stop people arguing here, because it's a forum not the official web site.

& I'm saying you're wrong on yours,you're being hypocritical in your own post.Yes,we are all entitled to our opinions,but you have already made your mind up that Hookys' posts are offensive.Offensive to whom? There's really only Barney & Steve who can find it offensive as they know a lot more than any of us do,barring Jack.Sure,NOOLers can find it offensive but only because they don't like what they're reading.Surely,as Hooky also knows what's going on,he has a right to post 'offensive' statements as he knows what has upset him in the first place.So,yes,respect that everyone has an opinion,but so does Hooky,& more so

The new development has reached the major german newspapers vesterday. Die Zeit says, New Order had split-up and Barney and Steve declared now, they would continue, but without Hooky. And Hooky wouldn't be happy with this and is going to go to the court, if they would continue without him.

Musikszene: Hook will Ex-Kollegen von New Order verklagen

Peter Hook, Ex-Bassist der Band New Order, macht ernst: Er will seine ehemaligen Bandkollegen verklagen. Er fühlt sich von den Mitgliedern der Band hintergangen, die sich eigentlich längst aufgelöst hat.

Der frühere Bassist der Band New Order, Peter Hook, droht seinen früheren Bandkollegen mit einer Klage. Grund ist die Ankündigung von Sänger und Gitarrist Bernard Sumner und Drummer Stephen Morris, nach der angeblichen Auflösung der Gruppe allein als New Order weiter machen zu wollen. Der britische Sender BBC zitierte eine Äußerung Hooks auf MySpace.com, in der es heißt: "Diese Band hat sich getrennt. Ihr seid genauso wenig New Order wie ich es bin. [...] Wir sehen uns vor Gericht." Er sei aber auch offen "für Verhandlungen".

Ob sich New Order ("Blue Monday", "Regret") tatsächlich getrennt hatten oder nicht, ist nicht ganz eindeutig. Hook gab im Mai in einem Interview die Auflösung der Band bekannt. Im Juli betonten Sumner und Morris indes, New Order hätten sich nicht getrennt. Sie gingen jedoch davon aus, dass Hook nicht mehr dabei sei. Die britische New-Wave-Band New Order war aus der Gruppe Joy Division hervorgegangen. Als sich deren Sänger Ian Curtis 1980 das Leben nahm, machte der Rest der Band als New Order weiter. 2005 brachten sie ihr bisher letztes Album "Waiting for the Sirens' Call" heraus. (mit ddp)

El Jarvo wrote:

kel wrote:

joe davola wrote: jack, I'm sorry but you're wrong in this point. this is a forum where people discuss all things New Order, and the facts for all to see are that Hooky keeps posting offensive stuff on his MySpace-site over and over. Bernard and Steve made an official comment that they won't allow Hooky to say when it's over for them with a hint they won't make any other comment here. please decide for yourself what you think is better.

Imagine what would be going on here if Bernard had done this in reverse. and please don't try to stop people arguing here, because it's a forum not the official web site.

& I'm saying you're wrong on yours,you're being hypocritical in your own post.Yes,we are all entitled to our opinions,but you have already made your mind up that Hookys' posts are offensive.Offensive to whom? There's really only Barney & Steve who can find it offensive as they know a lot more than any of us do,barring Jack.Sure,NOOLers can find it offensive but only because they don't like what they're reading.Surely,as Hooky also knows what's going on,he has a right to post 'offensive' statements as he knows what has upset him in the first place.So,yes,respect that everyone has an opinion,but so does Hooky,& more so

Did you draw breath whilst typing that post, Kel?!

Are we allowed to say Hooky's blog last week was a bit 'silly'.

Is that acceptable with all the higher-than-thou types on NOOL?!

It was silly. And frankly just a bit cringeworthy. "I'll see you in court" indeed. Not the comments you'd usually associate with the Bass Legend. Proper toys out of pram scenario.

But, of course, no-one's allowed to say that are we. Cos we all know nothing.

Strewth.

Yeh,I did rant a bit

I'm just getting a bit sick of it all,as are a lot of people,it's all opinions & second guessing. I agree with you,as much as I love the guy,reading it I was a bit open-mouthed & uncomfortable with it,I just never thought,or wanted,my favourite fookin' band for 24 years to ever publicly get to this point.Because of it,they've lost something & I'm gutted because of it:(

I think personally the fans have been treated badly to be honest. Correct me if I am wrong but we are responsible for the wealth of Hooky, Barney, Stephen and Gillian, and if this is the end of New Order then all this myspace stuff and rumour and court threats to me is not a dignified way to retire the band.

The band owe it to us, for all the money and travelling that we have done over the years, to be a little more dignified and make a decision and be nice about it, because after all, if we didn't pay the money, they wouldnt have a band to retire from, cos no-one would have bought the records, or gone to the gigs.

I know its terribly sad situation, I will miss the band hugely, and right now I dont want to think about no having the opportunity to see them live again or hear a new track. But please guys, look after the fans, they are your bread and butter, and I think you owe it to us.

We dont know whats gone on, but I tell you what, I consider myself a private person, I dont have a myspace site, I dont air my personal issues on blogs, and i dont slag people off in the press. Hooky would have been better to not comment. Thats not to say I have anything against him, I adore all of them, for their faults as well as the good things.

Its just a very sad time. New Order hasn't really been the same since 93, you could argue that following the reunion shows in 98, when Gillian played a few gigs, that the band name should have been retired then.

Matt.

Matt Hicks wrote: I think personally the fans have been treated badly to be honest. Correct me if I am wrong but we are responsible for the wealth of Hooky, Barney, Stephen and Gillian, and if this is the end of New Order then all this myspace stuff and rumour and court threats to me is not a dignified way to retire the band.

The band owe it to us, for all the money and travelling that we have done over the years, to be a little more dignified and make a decision and be nice about it, because after all, if we didn't pay the money, they wouldnt have a band to retire from, cos no-one would have bought the records, or gone to the gigs.

I know its terribly sad situation, I will miss the band hugely, and right now I dont want to think about no having the opportunity to see them live again or hear a new track. But please guys, look after the fans, they are your bread and butter, and I think you owe it to us.

We dont know whats gone on, but I tell you what, I consider myself a private person, I dont have a myspace site, I dont air my personal issues on blogs, and i dont slag people off in the press. Hooky would have been better to not comment. Thats not to say I have anything against him, I adore all of them, for their faults as well as the good things.

Its just a very sad time. New Order hasn't really been the same since 93, you could argue that following the reunion shows in 98, when Gillian played a few gigs, that the band name should have been retired then.

Matt.

nobody forced you to buy the music. you bought it because you got enjoyment from it.

The band more than repaid you the few pounds you expended on them.

again I have trouble with this concept that bands and artist owe their fans anything.

Matt Hicks wrote: you could argue that following the reunion shows in 98, when Gillian played a few gigs, that the band name should have been retired then.

As I mentioned previously, that would never have happened. New Order are too big a name to let go whenever somebody leaves.

this is all just so fookin sad.

I think I have to seek more wisdom.

nobody forced you to buy the music. you bought it because you got enjoyment from it.

The band more than repaid you the few pounds you expended on them.

again I have trouble with this concept that bands and artist owe their fans anything.

are you for real? New Order fans have got to be the most loyal fans a band could ever have, I've lost count of the gigs I have been to and the countries I have been in to see them play. Yes I did it cos I enjoyed it, but New Order always used to take pride in the fact they had such a loyal fanbase, who would go literally anywhere to see them play (no matter the cost, and I am quite a poor person I can tell you), so to have all this stuff over myspace etc isnt being fair on the fans, to be fair, its like throwing it back in our faces, when the best thing would be to say nothing. its easy to shut your mouth.

yes I am for real. you mentioned the money you spent and the good times you had doing so.

nobody force you to be a new order fan. remember the good times and don't go on about the band owing you.

this is new order, remember the band that doesn't give a shit.

i'm not happy about the situation, but i don't know the full story. do you?

I will refrain from apportioning blame. fook after 30 years they can each do as they choose in my book. yes I'm not happy about the blog comments either, but life goes on.