Factory Records Special - BBC4, Friday 21st September 9pm

He was a player on the Manchester music scene at the time, was Buzzcocks manager and had a hand in the New Hormones label amongst other things.

Interesting Post Jarvo (from yesterday). Wneh i told me lass i Needed the TV on Fri night she said 'you only bother wasting money on ACR & the Mondays' However the chance to possibly see a snippet of interview footage etc.. from someone i really admire like Paul Ryder, DoJo, Simon Topping, etc.. makes the 90min 'pain' bearable.

Further to Mick's post - i watched the old Icon videos last wk-end ( Factory Outing/Compilation etc.) and it reaffirmed to me how utterly Shit most of the Factory roster was - even the latter shit (Ad/Babies..) Dire

Tend to think a lot of people have put the erstwhile Anthony H Wilson on too high a pedastal. I always thought his views & ideas on regional government, Pennine Lancashire etc.. more engaging than 'his' bands.

El Jarvo wrote: All this talk of Factory though ... does anyone here really like any of the acts who appeared on Factory, bar New Order Joy Division?

Hmmm... I loved that band Electonic... what happened to them?

ACR are wonderful, don't forget OMD, James... loads of em.

Yeah obviously not every Factory artist was as good as the other, but Factory did a lot more than just be a record label. So programme will be deffo worth watching I'm sure.

Please start a weed - I haven't yet graduated to a DVD recorder and the VCR which has just been rescued from the loft doesn't work!

PS - what is a "weed"?

Simon Simpson wrote: Please start a weed - I haven't yet graduated to a DVD recorder and the VCR which has just been rescued from the loft doesn't work!

PS - what is a "weed"?

Post more and you'll see.

fair enjoyed that

no real revelations but some great footage of the mondays etc

steve was on good form

Doctor? wrote: Should [1] be capturing this as a direct mpeg transport stream, so I'll start the weed, unless someone else has the same ability, I'm easy.

As for what Al was saying, I sort of agree. I like a COUPLE of ACR tracks (the obvious ones) with Good Together and Shack Up being favourites (really enjoyed them at the Apollo mind you). I love most of the Mondays pre-Step On, and not a lot thereafter. I basically know sod all about Vinnie and Bruce, but that tune Otis is a moment of sublime bliss. I do like that Cath Carroll track "moves like you". Maybe I should make a point of doing Palatine in a single sitting some time.

So what was factory beyond "our" band? The attitude, the dreams, the myths, and not much else. Factory is dead, long live Factory. I still half blame Wilson and NO for me working in a call centre instead of touring the world as a bassgod....they instilled such a contempt for "the biz" in me that I never recovered, and probablt cost myself many a brilliant opportunity as a result.

[1] Read as "will, or I'll be on a charge of fratricide on Saturday morning"

Better take this discussion over to 'Thieves' then.

I really enjoyed that. Nothing we didn't already know, but the sheer mayhem of what was the Fac/Hac story being re-told in little anecdotes like that was sublime.
Laughed out loud on countless occassions, AHW was on top form along with New Order and Shaun Ryder. Thought it was very moving also, tears in my eyes at times. Qualidee stuff.

Oh, and as if it needed proven, Joy Division/New Order are the greatest band of all time.

Mr disco 99 wrote:

Simon Simpson wrote: Please start a weed - I haven't yet graduated to a DVD recorder and the VCR which has just been rescued from the loft doesn't work!

PS - what is a "weed"?

Post more and you'll see.

Very helpful. It's that desire to share information and knowledge that makes the world a better place and forums a place to do it

Mr disco 99 wrote:

Simon Simpson wrote: Please start a weed - I haven't yet graduated to a DVD recorder and the VCR which has just been rescued from the loft doesn't work!

PS - what is a "weed"?

Post more and you'll see.

Very helpful. It's that desire to share information and knowledge that makes the world a better place and forums a place to do it

Does this count as posting more?

Simon Simpson wrote: Very helpful. It's that desire to share information and knowledge that makes the world a better place and forums a place to do it

Does this count as posting more?

To clarify Simon, you need to reach 100 posts before you can access the weeding forum. This is basically a forum which the kind souls on here share gigs, tv performances etc with each other. The forum is called Thieves Like Us.

CuanaD - D-plus wrote:

Doctor? wrote: Should [1] be capturing this as a direct mpeg transport stream, so I'll start the weed, unless someone else has the same ability, I'm easy. As for what Al was saying, I sort of agree. I like a COUPLE of ACR tracks (the obvious ones) with Good Together and Shack Up being favourites (really enjoyed them at the Apollo mind you). I love most of the Mondays pre-Step On, and not a lot thereafter. I basically know sod all about Vinnie and Bruce, but that tune Otis is a moment of sublime bliss. I do like that Cath Carroll track "moves like you". Maybe I should make a point of doing Palatine in a single sitting some time.

So what was factory beyond "our" band? The attitude, the dreams, the myths, and not much else. Factory is dead, long live Factory. I still half blame Wilson and NO for me working in a call centre instead of touring the world as a bassgod....they instilled such a contempt for "the biz" in me that I never recovered, and probablt cost myself many a brilliant opportunity as a result.

[1] Read as "will, or I'll be on a charge of fratricide on Saturday morning"

Better take this discussion over to 'Thieves' then.

Possibly, but my sibling missed the first 40 seconds, and when I tried to watch what he was recording, the sound was all over the place.....I will have to check in the mornin, whilst sharpening a large knife.

Yikes. I hope somebody got this. I would've been at home watching if it was shown here.

Don't worry someone will have capped it.

I will check what I have in the morning when I get home, the sound sync may have just been because I was watching the stream while it was being recorded to. As my bro pointed out to me, his DVB card, just dumps the mpeg transport stream straight to disc, so sound sync problems are impossible. He was of course shitfaced at the time, so telling him "yes, but when you start playing it the sound is 2 seconds off and that gap just gets longer and longer", just got me a blank stare.

And this after a debate not two days ago on whether his recorder script could be trusted to tape the qualifyin for the Jap GP next week, as I will be in work. Last year he said "no worries, of course it'll work, it always works". I got home to find that it had indeed begun recording at 0500, and exited straight away leaving a 0byte file. Think I will take the night off this year and bill him for lost earnings

The thing is, I was taping the fac doc myself tonight, but had to abort the recording so I could watch it when I realised my bro's recording wasn't going to plan. While I could have started watching what I'd already got, you cannae skip through it until it's finished, and since only one program can read from the TV card at a time, I had to stop recording to watch it live (or start watching from the start again). My recording would have been pants anyway, low bandwidth and from an analogue capture card (no point getting a digital one, as I have Sky-tv, and therefor could not use them together).

I got it all. Will probably start another thread to organise distribution.

WHEN YOU'RE SICK AND TIRED..........class track WON'T STOP LOVING YOU and CC 'MOVES LIKE YOU' from FACT 308(was it???) and SHACK UP are great.Up early here as i am moving part of my collection AT LAST.Got keys for new gaff yesterday.So thought MOVES LIKE YOU is apt! Now yer twisting my duster MAN!

Morning Rocky Mick.

Thought the programme was quiet good, as JOhn said nothing we didn't already know but good anyway.

Did anyone notice Barney was reading off an auto cue

MORNING MIKE

bobmo wrote: fair enjoyed that

no real revelations but some great footage of the mondays etc

steve was on good form

John Sludden wrote: I really enjoyed that. Nothing we didn't already know, but the sheer mayhem of what was the Fac/Hac story being re-told in little anecdotes like that was sublime.
Laughed out loud on countless occassions, AHW was on top form along with New Order and Shaun Ryder. Thought it was very moving also, tears in my eyes at times. Qualidee stuff.

Oh, and as if it needed proven, Joy Division/New Order are the greatest band of all time.

My thoughts on the documentary as well. Alright it wasn't really telling me anything new about Factory but an enjoyable 90 minutes all the same something of a visual representation of the Urbis Hacienda exhibition. Does anyone reckon the BBC may release it as a DVD as I've kind of got the impression they may? Cheers!

... er, did anybody notice Barney had an alchoholic flush???

Post orgasmic flush, shirley.

Missy Jem wrote: ... er, did anybody notice Barney had an alchoholic flush???

Nice one Jem He also seemed had his 'Pernod Flush' on the Chemical Brothers singles DVD as well Cheers!

I thought it was a great documentry. Nothing new to anybody on this board but put together very well, made me laugh out loud and very touching at times. For a casual observer of Factory this would have been a very informative and showed people how important Factory was (is). No other good bands on Factory? Well they had more decent bands than most labels. NO/JD/Revenge/other two/Electronic/ OK same set of people but quality music. Section 25 "from the Hip" is a brilliant album. Mondays 1st three albums, Cath caroll, OMD etc etc. What other labels can boast a fine selection? The other best labels were influenced by Factory anyway such as Creation. Factory also had coolness and collectability. Factory were a record collectors dream. It would be bnice if other labels took time out to make their "product" worth having with great packaging like Factory.

missed it

El Jarvo wrote:

The Shadow wrote: Who was that bloke they got in to play Shaun Ryder last night though? Did a very good impression, physically. Let himself down rather though, being quite articulate, quick-witted and eloquent. Schoolboy error!

Maybe Shaun's had the 'Stepford Ryder's' treatment

El Jarvo wrote: Who was that bloke they got in to play Shaun Ryder last night though? Did a very good impression, physically. Let himself down rather though, being quite articulate, quick-witted and eloquent. Schoolboy error!

Maybe Shaun's had the 'Stepford Ryder's' treatment

ROCKET MICK wrote: I agree with AL here.Most of the other bands were CRAP.I tried to watch some of the early factory videos and it HURT.But to me FACTORY was just Joy Division and NEW ORDER.And some great ARTWORK.The rest of it just washed over me.MONDAYs and NORTHSIDE had a few good tunes too.But each to their own.

I don't know about you Mick, but I listen to music with my ears not my eyes. Yes, the videos were shite but that ain't the point.

Let's start with the good bands: (One's I regularly listen to)

• Joy Division
• New Order
• Electronic
• ACR
• The Durutti Column
• Section 25
• Stockholm Monsters
• The Wake
• Happy Mondays
• Quando Quango

That's not a bad hit list for a small label from the north of England. Lots of other bands that did some interesting stuff Miaow / Cath Caroll (moves like you) Kalima (The Smiling Hour) The Other Two (Tasty Fish), Cabaret Voltaire (Yashar!), RFATP (We love the Moon) Minny Pops / Streetlife (Act on Instinct) fucking loads

I also think the artwork was way ahead of all those other shitty 'independent' labels (honourable excepton 4AD) and that makes Factory iconic in my eyes - that attention to detail - great music in great covers.

That's why it deserved the documentary, Factory raised the profile of MCR (along with it's football team) from industrial gloom to post-industrial sunshine - that's why the city mourned the lost of a minor TV celebrity.

Obviously there was some shit in there such as Revenge and Northside.

WTF?

Alan Paul Kitching wrote:

Missy Jem wrote: ... er, did anybody notice Barney had an alchoholic flush???

Watching it now, wow 'barney's alchoholic flush!'Too right. Very good, some footage I've not seen before.