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BBC4 will be showing 'Factory: Manchester from Joy Division to Happy Mondays' this Friday at 9pm. I'll record it from DVB and set up a weed or something for those who won't be able to watch it.
Looks like it will feature AHW alongside the Mondays, New Order, Durutti Column plus other bands/DJs from Factory & The Hacienda.
90 minutes of Factory fun - directed by Chris Rodley.
Oops...
It would be this Friday if today were next week.
Pesky alcohol. Screws up everything - best be off to bed. Apologies for any confusion - definitely the 21st...
little Tony/Factory tribute by Stuart Maconie in this week's Radio Times too. Never thought I'd see Reach For Love by Marcel King namechecked in the Radio Times...
Sandboy wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/musictv/factory/
Bloody ell , there's so much there won't be anything new left to see when i watch the actual doc!
A quote from the Director:
I can't do a good job unless the film I'm making becomes personal in some way, and initially I had no obvious investment in it. But being only two years younger than Tony Wilson, I soon realised that I felt more a part of Factory ethos than I'd previously thought. I'm crap with money, seldom learn from my mistakes, I'm an old hippy, have a weakness for illegal substances and think it's possible to change the world - all of these things are major qualifications for being a bona fide member of Britain's most important independent music label.
Pash wrote: BBC4 will be showing 'Factory: Manchester from Joy Division to Happy Mondays' this Friday at 9pm. I'll record it from DVB and set up a weed or something for those who won't be able to watch it.
Looks like it will feature AHW alongside the Mondays, New Order, Durutti Column plus other bands/DJs from Factory & The Hacienda.
90 minutes of Factory fun - directed by Chris Rodley.
Pash be good of you to tape and weed it on... I don't have the extra BBC channels, so I'll definitely be up for a copy.
wrote: Bugger am at work til ten,anyone know when its repeated?
its not. and all our Video's are broke.
It's repeated in the early hours of Saturday morning at 2.20 am
All this talk of Factory though ... does anyone here really like any of the acts who appeared on Factory, bar New Order Joy Division?
Or is just a case of Wilson being dead now and everyone thinking they actually liked all his label's stuff ... forgetting that they genuinely didn't (er, like all his label's stuff).
I mean, who else is there?
Lets be frank, the Mondays have been slated here in the past. They don't seem to have 'travelled' well abroad and some of the older British fans have cocked their noses up at their laddishness and drug-taking.
And I'll be first to admit that the Mondays Mk III, or whatever they are now, just aren't the Mondays any more, bar in name alone.
ACR have been basically ignored on this site too. There can't be more than half-a-dozen of us who post regularly (actually I'm being kind saying half-a-dozen here) who bother with them nowadays. Or probably even listen to them.
Vini gets his plaudits but I'm not a fan myself. I get the impression people like the idea of Vini more than his music itself. Sit down and try and stick his records on and they bore you to tears three tracks in.
Who the fcuk is 'Factory' after that then?
I presume the only other acts people really liked were the Side Projects?!
I mean, I ask you: 52nd Street, Crispy Ambulance, The Wendys, Kalima, Minny Pops, Northside, Railway Children, The Adventure Babies, Section 25, Swamp Children, Quando Quango.
All had their moments (er, well, some of them) but not really 'all that' to write home about, shirley?!
Factory was a lovely idea. But a lot of the music was just shite.
(And, yes, I will still be in Brussels in December blah blah blah 
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El Jarvo wrote: All this talk of Factory though ... does anyone here really like any of the acts who appeared on Factory, bar New Order Joy Division?
No.
i liked Flowered Up. Factory????
I agree with AL here.Most of the other bands were CRAP.I tried to watch some of the early factory videos and it HURT.But to me FACTORY was just Joy Division and NEW ORDER.And some great ARTWORK.The rest of it just washed over me.MONDAYs and NORTHSIDE had a few good tunes too.But each to their own. 
Agreed, Al...
I really tried to get into the other acts and bought as many Factory bands records as I could. But they're shit. Some of them are really shit and painful to listen to: Section 25 first album, Quando Quango (FFS!!) and agreed about Durutti Column, some beautiful music there but can't listen to a whole side. In fact I recently tried again to like it all by playing it. It really was a painful waste of time.
And I bought a collection of Factory videos from the 80s collected onto two DVDs. I was going to weed it on but the quality (of the music) is so poor I thought I'd save everyone the bother
There are a few hidden gems though. Royal Family and the Poors first album is a lost "classic" IMHO and Streetlifes Act on Instinct I love. And a few 52nd Street songs- but they left and went to major because of Factorys mismanagement of them.
So what we seem to be saying is that Factory Records was a great idea and smashing artwork.
Oh well
I dunno... the Palatine CDs still get pretty regular rotation on my iPod... particularly disc 2.
I see what you mean, though. It's kinda rare that I'll actually listen to a whole album by one of the "b-list" bands.
Your Durutti Column example is spot on. I think Sketch for Summer is one of the loveliest tracks touched by Hannett, and enjoy it when it comes up on Palatine disc 1, but I don't ever listen to Return of DC... or any of his albums really.
I genuinely like much of ACR's early output, but I typically just listen to the Soul Jazz Early compilation rather than their actual albums. Section 25 were kinda hit or miss... mostly miss... but I actually do listen to From the Hip every once in a while. Always Now is really nice to look at and think of as a lovely object, but don't bother playing it.
I'm also a proud owner of Fac 2, which I think of as the crown jewel of my record collection. But has anyone ever tried listening to it? Yeek...
So yeah... the records are more collectables than listenables. Most of the bands were great for a single or two and that's about it. There were some great little gems here and there, though, which the compilations are good for.
live a lot of the factory bands were enjoyable,, even q.q.
a certain ratio is the only "other"factory act ive bought and still love em
knife slits water
live a lot of the factory bands were enjoyable,, even q.q.
a certain ratio is the only "other"factory act ive bought and still love em
knife slits water
King John Honest John wrote:
its not. and all our Video's are broke.
They still have videos in scouseland?
S'pose there all knicked anyways! 
Sam the Stokie wrote:
It's repeated in the early hours of Saturday morning at 2.20 am
Cheers sambo!
Factory related but different programme - 'play at home'.
From which act are the two women (one looks like wayne rooney in a boiler suit!)on the exercise bikes with Gillian?
And who's the guy with the shaved head and crucifix earring?
mediamark wrote: Factory related but different programme - 'play at home'.
From which act are the two women (one looks like wayne rooney in a boiler suit!)on the exercise bikes with Gillian?
And who's the guy with the shaved head and crucifix earring?
I think the two women are Cath Carroll and Liz Naylor (not sure if it is Liz though). No idea about the bloke, sorry!
Should [1] be capturing this as a direct mpeg transport stream, so I'll start the weed, unless someone else has the same ability, I'm easy.
As for what Al was saying, I sort of agree. I like a COUPLE of ACR tracks (the obvious ones) with Good Together and Shack Up being favourites (really enjoyed them at the Apollo mind you). I love most of the Mondays pre-Step On, and not a lot thereafter. I basically know sod all about Vinnie and Bruce, but that tune Otis is a moment of sublime bliss. I do like that Cath Carroll track "moves like you". Maybe I should make a point of doing Palatine in a single sitting some time.
So what was factory beyond "our" band? The attitude, the dreams, the myths, and not much else. Factory is dead, long live Factory. I still half blame Wilson and NO for me working in a call centre instead of touring the world as a bassgod....they instilled such a contempt for "the biz" in me that I never recovered, and probablt cost myself many a brilliant opportunity as a result.
[1] Read as "will, or I'll be on a charge of fratricide on Saturday morning"
Should [1] be capturing this as a direct mpeg transport stream, so I'll start the weed, unless someone else has the same ability, I'm easy.
As for what Al was saying, I sort of agree. I like a COUPLE of ACR tracks (the obvious ones) with Good Together and Shack Up being favourites (really enjoyed them at the Apollo mind you). I love most of the Mondays pre-Step On, and not a lot thereafter. I basically know sod all about Vinnie and Bruce, but that tune Otis is a moment of sublime bliss. I do like that Cath Carroll track "moves like you". Maybe I should make a point of doing Palatine in a single sitting some time.
So what was factory beyond "our" band? The attitude, the dreams, the myths, and not much else. Factory is dead, long live Factory. I still half blame Wilson and NO for me working in a call centre instead of touring the world as a bassgod....they instilled such a contempt for "the biz" in me that I never recovered, and probablt cost myself many a brilliant opportunity as a result.
[1] Read as "will, or I'll be on a charge of fratricide on Saturday morning"
mediamark wrote: Factory related but different programme - 'play at home'.
From which act are the two women (one looks like wayne rooney in a boiler suit!)on the exercise bikes with Gillian?
And who's the guy with the shaved head and crucifix earring?
Cath Carrol (Miaow and solo artist) and Liz Naylor (fanzine / journo type) as per Sam's post.
The guy is, I believe, Richard Boon but I'm prepared to be corrected.
