What the hell is going on here?

Yeah...it's really upsetting to see people destroying the thing they love most.....it just makes everyone feel bitter and vengeful. And that surely can't be a good thing for the majority of the non-confrontational peaceful folks here who just wish to talk music and stuff in the midst of all the crossfire, you know?

Not trying to cause any trouble here, but would it be possible to let the people back in who were booted out of the site if both parties are willing to do so. Then we can all just forget our differences and start new !! Be like old times again ...

I see your point Seb. I guess Im still relatively new to the site so I never experienced the 'before' side of things. To be honest, none of the off topic threads bugged me and I was happy with how things were going, but if it was annoying everyone else then I guess something had to be done.

Interesting to note Seb's comments above, a rather weak justification for the blatantly obvious jealousy that has been at the core of many of his outbursts. This forum (and indeed site) has been a tremendous achievement, largely uniting a diverse and varied populace who all had the same common denominator, a love of New Order. This latest xenophobic outburst by one of the webmasters is astounding in its attack on a few British people who interact both on and offline, and who were brought together by this forum.

I have never been able to understand jealousy of this nature. Is it because we get to see the band more often than you ? Is it because we get the records before you ? Is it because we can interact with people unlike you ? Or is it the fact that despite considerable efforts by both webmasters to make this a site to be proud of, it still lags behind the "rival" site in terms of recognition at the core of New Order ?

I still await an explanation as to why I was selected for banishment at the time I was, not that it will make any difference to any future involvement of mine on here. I am offended that one individual with moderator rights can cause so much ill-feeling with a few ill-considered actions.

If you don't want British people on your forum, fair enough. Never lose sight of the fact that the band themselves, the single motivating factor behind all this online community you created, are also British.

I had mostly enjoyed my time on here, but leave now with a bitter taste in my mouth. All YOUR failings exposed. So long, as they say in certain parts.

All seems a bit of an over reaction to me...making a big fuss out of nothing. And rather than just jump on the anti-Boisvert bandwagon - though why he has to set out to offend people is beyond me - Both parties seem to be to blame for me.

My own personal favourite era was when we had Buster, Huntman, Patrick and a few others all posting loads during the day. It's not been the same since the Huntsman left IMO.

Oh well, it's been a laugh, but the 'Stagsnet' footy Forum is of far more interest to me nowadays.

Originally posted by Hubert Mickle Yeah...it's really upsetting to see people destroying the thing they love most.....

Well, it's a very mancunian attitude, isn't it? Just look at New Order playing live: they destroy their (& JD's) songs, which sounds so good on CD. They could be a fantastic live band, but Barney fucks up everything with his stupid way of dancing, whistling and whooping.

But surely BARNEY is serious about his art,just cos he does not conform to the norm...anyhow his dancing is special.What a great bunch they are.Don't take life too serious cos when shit happens your views could change big time. ROCKET SAMARITAN MICK

Originally posted by Oh, I've got green eyes > Originally posted by Hubert Mickle> Yeah...it's really upsetting to see people destroying the thing they love most.....

Well, it's a very mancunian attitude, isn't it? Just look at New Order playing live: they destroy their (& JD's) songs, which sounds so good on CD. They could be a fantastic live band, but Barney fucks up everything with his stupid way of dancing, whistling and whooping.

I think, personally, that is what makes the band unique. I'm not sure I would like to attend one of their gigs and hear the CD portrayed so accurately. Friends of mine who were not too fussed on New Order were very keen after seeing Barney perform his little turn on the catwalk. Also, not only does he whistle like a man possessed with the ability to encourage ten thousand sheep into a crowded room, he whistles directly into the mic. for optimum feedback ... superb.

It would be even better if Hooknose would join in and maybe Mr. Morris could perform back flips on his drumming units. It's a shame you worry about them geing slightly off-the-wall ... did you never see archive footage of Ian Curtis' dancing? ... a prophetic image of the future perhaps.

Huntsman lets do a "COME DANCING" forum...you dancing... you asking?....lets dance....(ENTER MR DAVID BOWIE). ROCKET GOODY TWO SHOES MICK

Have Huntsman and Rocket Mick ever been seen in the same room together?

GOOD POINT ,he is far better than me though! ROCKET TAKING HIS HAT OFF TO THE HUNTSMAN MICK

Originally posted by Huntsman I think, personally, that is what makes the band unique. I'm not sure I would like to attend one of their gigs and hear the CD portrayed so accurately.

Of course I wouldn't like them to reproduce extacly what's on their CD's. A gig cannot be interesting without some creativity. Yet, it is possible to be creative (new versions of the songs, improvisation, etc.) without fucking everything up. What's the point in whooping during Atmosphere?

This being sayed, I like New Order in concert.

IT IS A CRY OF ANGUISH!

Originally posted by Seb Briggs My own personal favourite era was when we had Buster, Huntman, Patrick and a few others all posting loads during the day. It's not been the same since the Huntsman left IMO.

Well, he's still posting here, isn't he? And Geoff & Patrick as well - not so often, though.

I can categorically state that I am not Rocket Ship - I couldn't be bothered switching between lower and upper case, it would play havoc with my finely manicured fingernails. Unless he is a fly I don't think we have ever appeared in the same room together. The flys gone now so that could have been him.

Green Eye - I used to think Ian Curtis' singing was awful, then I appreciated it for what it was (which I haven't quite worked out yet). Similarly, Bernard has a quite bizarre voice, the oft quoted 'little boy lost' really shouldn't swing his larynx around so many of the more rockier New Order songs should he? ... What I'm trying to say this that I feel sorry that Bernard's manic whistling and quirky dance moves spoil the gigs for you. They are a contradiction, and always have been. The are rock, but not, they are pop, but wait, no they are punk.

Whistling dixie during their single most deep and moving song comes as no surprise to me. The only non-surprising element is that Bernard doesn't stick the mic. to his backside and blow a beauty as an encore.

(watch this space)

I do not wish to speak of the recent crisis. But I'm moved by Seb Briggs' words. Thanks Seb...

One comment though : I'm amazed of how many dramas we've alread had in here in less than a week. Very New Orderish, in some ways...

:)

Originally posted by Buster Klumpy I do not wish to speak of the recent crisis. But I'm moved by Seb Briggs' words. Thanks Seb...One comment though : I'm amazed of how many dramas we've alread had in here in less than a week. Very New Orderish, in some ways...:)

It is humbling to be called a member of a golden age...

Originally posted by Hurt I bet the Rest Of The World is sitting back digesting your two's debate, thinking, "What .. on .. earth .. are ... they .. saying?" Before jumping for the Eeenglish phrasebook.Even I bloody struggle keeping up! ;)

I never even activate my modem without a copy of the Viz Profanisaurus at hand.

:\pimp2:

Patrick..."THE GOLDEN AGE OF ROCK AND ROLL" as sung by MOTT THE HOOPLE or woz it just IAN HUNTER.Anyway may i just say a BIG HELLO from ROCKET MICK to you and your FIRM! ROCKET NOT WANTING TO BE BANNED MICK

Originally posted by Huntsman What I'm trying to say this that I feel sorry that Bernard's manic whistling and quirky dance moves spoil the gigs for you. They are a contradiction, and always have been. The are rock, but not, they are pop, but wait, no they are punk.

Huntsy, it doesn't spoil the gigs for me! I really have fun at their gigs. I know that New Order are contradictory, and I accept them and love them with all their contradictions. However, you have to admit that, in some way, they're doing a real mess of some of their most beautiful songs when they play them live.

Is it a punk attitude or a manc attitude? A few weeks ago, I was browsing through the channels on my telly and stopped for some minutes on the broadcasting of an Oasis gig (only for a few songs cos I don't like them). Well, this Gallaghster guy is ridiculous on stage . At least, the Barnster is funny !

Leave LIAM alone... OUR KID ROCKET MICK

Footnote to the JESSIE / 2 0 already to POLAND,at least i own some POLISH NEW ORDER records! ROCKET NOT LOSING HIS RUCKSACK MICK......sliding down outside the KFC is much cooler..I DON'T THINK SO!

Green eye ... its disturbing to think that people have paid 30 quid to see an Oasis gig only to discover Liam couldn't be arsed turning up. NO can play one gig. with no laughs, and another without. If Bernard ruined the same song time and time again it would become annoying. Fortunately they never seem to play the same song, in the same way, twice in a row. It is this saving grace that I don't mind him being daft. Because I know that the song he's just whistled all over will not be the song he whistles all over next time, and if it is, then its fairly unlikely.

Its encouraging to know you still enjoy their gigs even if they go bonkers sometimes. That's all I was concerned about.

Originally posted by Huntsman Green eye ... its disturbing to think that people have paid 30 quid to see an Oasis gig only to discover Liam couldn't be arsed turning up. NO can play one gig. with no laughs, and another without. If Bernard ruined the same song time and time again it would become annoying. Fortunately they never seem to play the same song, in the same way, twice in a row. It is this saving grace that I don't mind him being daft. Because I know that the song he's just whistled all over will not be the song he whistles all over next time, and if it is, then its fairly unlikely.

I fully aggree with this thorough analysis. :D

Its encouraging to know you still enjoy their gigs even if they go bonkers sometimes. That's all I was concerned about.

I'm happy you're reasured about me. :D

In relation to what the hell is going on here.

The only way forward I can see is to shut the site down for 8 years and then re-form it with a series of comeback emails.

We can then all go ga-ga over old threads that were written 15 years ago and all be friends again.

There might even be a film in it.

Sound familiar?

Life imitating art... :D

Give you chance to get an haircut!

Mickey ... that couldn't happen. Within 5 years our eyes will have grown to proposterous sizes, our mouths will be slits and we will all pilot various space ships to get to work ... and its all down to the machines man. By just thinking about it I could e-mail (called z5t 3 in the future) anyone I wished with just one click of my own eyelid ... which I wouldn't really need because there would be plastic ones available from the shops.

Damn, I thought I'd found a solution to this impasse.

What if we brought all the original characters back as replicants and got Jude Law to play the lead.

Surely someone would be interested in the film version at least?

"REMIXES IN FORUM"....can i play ROCKET MICK?

Originally posted by Mickey Way Damn, I thought I'd found a solution to this impasse.What if we brought all the original characters back as replicants and got Jude Law to play the lead.Surely someone would be interested in the film version at least?

how would it end?

We'd all end up at the bottom of the sea underneath a mermaid like statue of Stephen Morris and blowing bubbles at each other.

ELegia would be playing in the background...

Nah nah, we'd all get out of the shower and find it was all a dream.....

Both endings sound extremely fishy.

Originally posted by Grand Master B Brendan,"Be like old times again" would mean before this forum got littraly invaded by a group of 6-7 people, who incidentally are mostly Scots (is there a link there? mmuhahahaha), and whom have transformed this forum into their private club, writing personal stuff all the time, always writing in British (and Scottish) slang which even english-speaking Americans can't understand, filling the board with off-topic discussions daily, and discussing their last night at the pub.Now, if I were them, I'd find such a forum to be a VERY cool place. But for a lot of outsiders, it kills the interest. It killed it for me, it killed it for Nicolas, and it killed it for several people who used to be posting here quite frequently BEFORE.The last days outbursts was a very good occasion to put the "dots back on the i`s" (is that an english expression? whatever...).So to answer your question: no, they're not welcomed back, at least not under the current site administration. I just hope that we didn't wait too long to make this move in order for the "older users" to come back to the site they used to visit.Seb.

Apart from Maria who you've mentioned who else is likely to come back? Frode maybe? I agree largely with what Jarvo has said, I can't think of much that hasn't already been said whilst I was incapacitated. The way I see it this forum does have an international flavour but that was somewhat diffused when the forums split into seperate languages not the fault of anyone from Scotland (who incidentally you've been very inconsistent about about praising in one breath and slagging in another) If you had been in the 'Worlds End' you'd have been drinking along side people who had travelled from at least 3 continents to see New Order. This was mainly thanks to two of the exiled posters that everyone was there, who were the most instrumental in organising on-line gatherings. Of the posters who have been prominent and aren't so now Maria said she wasted too much time on, here went on holiday and it seems managed to kick the habit. Buster has given his reason's for not posting as often. If there was ever much of a presence from other non English speaking nations it's hardly surprising they never last if they are struggling with the language. As for slang postings and the like surely this is also adding to the flavour and if anyone dropping by is smart enough to dig 'the order' then it follows they should be able to get with Brit culture? I have read back to the start and as I recall it was like 1-2 messages a day. The vibrancy that has led to the sites popularity arrived roughly at the time of Get Ready and the subsequent 'Brit invasion' and now it seems you resent us being here.

Ya big JESSIE....:p :p ROCKET CRYING IN THE FINSBURY RAIN MICK

Originally posted by Oh, I've got green eyes > Originally posted by Hubert Mickle> Yeah...it's really upsetting to see people destroying the thing they love most.....

Well, it's a very mancunian attitude, isn't it? Just look at New Order playing live: they destroy their (& JD's) songs, which sounds so good on CD. They could be a fantastic live band, but Barney fucks up everything with his stupid way of dancing, whistling and whooping.

personally, i think that they are better live than recorded - especially the jd stuff. and the way berney dances is fun - you should try it.

Originally posted by Huntsman I can categorically state that I am not Rocket Ship - I couldn't be bothered switching between lower and upper case, it would play havoc with my finely manicured fingernails. Unless he is a fly I don't think we have ever appeared in the same room together. The flys gone now so that could have been him.Green Eye - I used to think Ian Curtis' singing was awful, then I appreciated it for what it was (which I haven't quite worked out yet). Similarly, Bernard has a quite bizarre voice, the oft quoted 'little boy lost' really shouldn't swing his larynx around so many of the more rockier New Order songs should he? ... What I'm trying to say this that I feel sorry that Bernard's manic whistling and quirky dance moves spoil the gigs for you. They are a contradiction, and always have been. The are rock, but not, they are pop, but wait, no they are punk.Whistling dixie during their single most deep and moving song comes as no surprise to me. The only non-surprising element is that Bernard doesn't stick the mic. to his backside and blow a beauty as an encore.(watch this space)

i agree with you about ian curtis. a terribly maudlin drone.

Hello FLO how is ANDY CAPP? :).Nice to hear that you like BARNEY'S dancing! ROCKET 3 STEPS TO HEAVEN MICK

Originally posted by ROCKET MICK Hello FLO how is ANDY CAPP? :).Nice to hear that you like BARNEY'S dancing!ROCKET 3 STEPS TO HEAVEN MICK

only do capitals when marking the work of young people. But if it pleases you I'll change my ways. Will have to change my "do as I say etc" attitude.
ps the Bernard Barney thing confuses me. Though a new fan (since 1987) I always think I'm getting it wrong. Someone help me. And how's Chorley. Used to live near there. Nice cakes.

Is that better Mr Mick?

No but never mind...CHORLEY is still awful,CHORLEY CAKES are made in LEYLAND.Barney changes his name more than i do! ROCKET MICK

Originally posted by ROCKET MICK No but never mind...CHORLEY is still awful,CHORLEY CAKES are made in LEYLAND.Barney changes his name more than i do!ROCKET MICK[/quote

don't be tempted to move to the south - before you know it you'll be taking barfs and drinking out of glarses

Originally posted by Grand Master B So to answer your question: no, they're not welcomed back, at least not under the current site administration. I just hope that we didn't wait too long to make this move in order for the "older users" to come back to the site they used to visit.Seb.

Are you there Spotnick?

Without wishing to drag up a veritable hornets nest again it would be interesting to know what your take is on this comment by Seb.

Presumably you have a say as well in who gets 'banned' or not.

You seem to have been very quiet on the subject thus far.

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Originally posted by Grand Master B > Originally posted by Mickey Way> In relation to what the hell is going on here.> > The only way forward I can see is to shut the site down for 8 years and then re-form it with a series of comeback emails.> > We can then all go ga-ga over old threads that were written 15 years ago and all be friends again.> > There might even be a film in it.> > Sound familiar?> > Life imitating art... > :D

MAN !!!!!!!!!

THIS IS THE FUNNIEST MESSAGE I'VE READ IN AGES!!!!!!!!!!

EXCELLENT !!!!! :happytongue:
You do know you're Wilson don't you? ;)

I hope we never meet, Boisvert.....

I'd like to comment on the tangental issue of Barney fucking up songs. He is absolutely the WEAKEST LINK. That nonsense about him not whooping and whistling during the same parts of the same songs is absolute RUBBISH (english slang for bullshit or nonsense). Do you have more than one bootleg from the 2001/2002 gigs? I can assure as will El Jarvo that Barney "embellishes" these glorious songs with his grating whistles and whoops in the same part of every song......Touched....Whooop....by the hand of god. I guarantee every time you hear this song it will go down like that. I wish he would just sing the songs with the proper emotions...He ruins Atmosphere...totally ruins Atmosphere. If these old farts are so sick of playing the same set PLAY SOMETHING ELSE. How hard is it? And that SHITE (english for shit) about having to reprogram Perfect Kiss is a non-issue from my perspective. If they are Musicians then they can play music by definition. They wrote PK therefore they should be able to press the FUCKING keys to make the melody right? At least they could hire a trained seal to press the right keys. Put coloured (USA citizens read: colored) stickers on the keys and let Allen play the damn thing. It's absolutely ridiculous that our favorite band is alread the VEGAS act they were slowly becoming when I saw them last year. Same set, same whoops, same disappointments. Play some new songs or I will be forced to stop illegally trading your bootlegged shows!

I couldn't care less if Barney whoops during a song. Barney isn't Ian Curitis so if he whoops during Atmosphere, so be it. Thats just his take on it. Even if he doesn't whoop, its not going to have the same feel as Joy Division playing it 20+ years ago anyway.

After all, they wrote the songs ... They can do what they like with them ... We're fortunate enough that the band are still releasing new material, touring and providing everyone on this forum something to talk about so Im not going to complain if they play the same set each night. Bloody lucky they're playing at all.

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