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Have New Order been the most influential, ground-breaking, consistant, creative, greatest, unique, varied musical styled, trend setting, anti-establishment, soundtrack of our lives band ever?
I certainly cant think of any other band that fits the bill for New Order's lifespan.
The only other one in my lifetime would be Kraftwerk, and its a tough call, cos there may not have been one without the other.
I would say Paul Weller is up there, but his music has tended not to be so varied nor innovative as New Orders.
NO Regret wrote: Have New Order been the most influential, ground-breaking, consistant, creative, greatest, unique, varied musical styled, trend setting, anti-establishment, soundtrack of our lives band ever?
I certainly cant think of any other band that fits the bill for New Order's lifespan.
Lets get real for a second. And bear in mind i'm not a fan of all these bands:
The Clash REM Pixies David Bowie Kraftwerk Black Flag Moby The Smiths Cocteau Twins Public Enemy Grand master Flash Roxy Music The Human League Blondie Spiritualized I could go on forever....
Although the question is so vague its meaningless. So a big 
from me.
Moby is pushing it a bit there, Liam.
I was going to add Public Enemy, but they are there already. Sugarhill Gang, Orbital mebbe.
Burt Reynolds wrote: Moby is pushing it a bit there, Liam.
I was going to add Public Enemy, but they are there already. Sugarhill Gang, Orbital mebbe.
Au contraire.
He's done loads of albums, each varying in style. Most of them are quite good. he's sold a shitload of records, been very influential, not only in terms of songwriting but in marketing of music as well. And as for anti establishment, well, whatever that means, he's a hippy vegan who slags off the government. So I suppose that makes him anti establishment.
Like I said, meaningless question. But if you look at the bigger picture, achieved a hell of a lot more than new Order.
Uncle Liam wrote:
Burt Reynolds wrote: Moby is pushing it a bit there, Liam.
I was going to add Public Enemy, but they are there already. Sugarhill Gang, Orbital mebbe.
Au contraire.
He's done loads of albums, each varying in style. Most of them are quite good. he's sold a shitload of records, been very influential, not only in terms of songwriting but in marketing of music as well. And as for anti establishment, well, whatever that means, he's a hippy vegan who slags off the government. So I suppose that makes him anti establishment.
Like I said, meaningless question. But if you look at the bigger picture, achieved a hell of a lot more than new Order.
Well, we'll just have to agree to disagree there. Personally, I've never quite got him musically. The only one of those things i actually respect him for, is that he does what he wants; he started with techno, does a bit of punk and the odd moment of perfect eighties style guitar/synth pop; its the formulaic gospel choir stuff that always got on my tits i spose.
It will be interesting to see where he is in a decade, in terms of longevity.
Burt Reynolds wrote: And...
The thread used the word 'influential'.
No one has said Joy Division.
Well, it's a given isn't?
To me, New Order is the greatest, that's why they're my favourite band. They wouldn't be my favourite if I didn't think they were the best.
Of course there are others who are influential, but not innovative, others are innovative, but not varied, others are successful, but not independent... When I think of New Order, I cannot dissociate it with Joy Division, it's their root, their start and their history. So with Joy Division as their original self, New Order have it all; the past, the influence, the creativity, the trend, the nightclub, the art covers, the independent label, the major, the boss, the manager, the producer, underground, pop, original, formulaic, rock, soft, macho, gay, you name it, New Order have it all.
Liam - you could have mentioned The Doors, Iggy Pop, Velvet Underground - but also some of the proper punk bands - Crass (Hooky confessed to being a fan) Conflict, Discharge, The Subhumans, etc.
But for me, Joy Division/New Order have always been the most listenable and inspiring for various reasons.
Oh, I agree with Canuck... 
I'm a bigger fan of Depeche, so shoot me, but I find New Order to be my third favorite. Followed closely by the Hives. Though Barney has inspired me to get ridiculous indie haircuts in the past. And wear white dress shirts, but thats a different story.
Who's butt are you kissing? This is a New Order fansite! 
Joy Division + New Order = #1? Sure, why not.
Bono and U2 are #2, thou I don't listen to them.
A Flock of Seagulls is #13789
Old Lead Foot wrote: no pottsy's the greatest
I was gonna say the same thing...
so either great minds think alike...or you are a frigging retard like me!!!
I don't care either way...I'm happy...I think...
Canuck21 wrote:
Burt Reynolds wrote: And...
The thread used the word 'influential'.
No one has said Joy Division.
Well, it's a given isn't?
To me, New Order is the greatest, that's why they're my favourite band. They wouldn't be my favourite if I didn't think they were the best.
Of course there are others who are influential, but not innovative, others are innovative, but not varied, others are successful, but not independent... When I think of New Order, I cannot dissociate it with Joy Division, it's their root, their start and their history. So with Joy Division as their original self, New Order have it all; the past, the influence, the creativity, the trend, the nightclub, the art covers, the independent label, the major, the boss, the manager, the producer, underground, pop, original, formulaic, rock, soft, macho, gay, you name it, New Order have it all.
Well said! I completely agree. But I am biased because I love JD/NO. They have been my favorites and always will be. Their music motivates me when I need a push, makes me smile when I'm sad, etc. I listen to them every single day.
I know, I'm crazy.:)
NO Regret wrote: Have New Order been the most influential, ground-breaking, consistant, creative, greatest, unique, varied musical styled, trend setting, anti-establishment, soundtrack of our lives band ever?
I certainly cant think of any other band that fits the bill for New Order's lifespan.
Amen.
Yep. No one else like 'em. OK, Modest Mouse, but still, New Order is in its own world/dimension/universe.
Not sure if they were all that ground breaking tbh. I would say Joy Division, Kraftwerk, The Smiths, Sex Pistols.
But a lot of my fav bands arent necessarily goundbreaking or influential, they just build on these foundations and improve them.
Chris Nash wrote: Liam - you could have mentioned The Doors, Iggy Pop, Velvet Underground - but also some of the proper punk bands - Crass (Hooky confessed to being a fan) Conflict, Discharge, The Subhumans, etc.
don't think the punk bands really fill the varied criteria, but another omission is the beatles. know they aren't anti establishment now, but don't forget the we're bigger than god fracas, & their legacy lives on some 40 odd years later.
another would be radiohead, bet they'd come out higher than new order on any website other than a new order/ jd fan based one if you were to ask the same question.
Jeffari-al-Texani wrote:
Old Lead Foot wrote: no pottsy's the greatest
I was gonna say the same thing...
so either great minds think alike...or you are a frigging retard like me!!!
I don't care either way...I'm happy...I think...
we must be on a level, wich is fine, as long as its not level 42
Burt Reynolds wrote:
Uncle Liam wrote:
Burt Reynolds wrote: Moby is pushing it a bit there, Liam.
I was going to add Public Enemy, but they are there already. Sugarhill Gang, Orbital mebbe.
Au contraire.
He's done loads of albums, each varying in style. Most of them are quite good. he's sold a shitload of records, been very influential, not only in terms of songwriting but in marketing of music as well. And as for anti establishment, well, whatever that means, he's a hippy vegan who slags off the government. So I suppose that makes him anti establishment.
Like I said, meaningless question. But if you look at the bigger picture, achieved a hell of a lot more than new Order.
Well, we'll just have to agree to disagree there. Personally, I've never quite got him musically. The only one of those things i actually respect him for, is that he does what he wants; he started with techno, does a bit of punk and the odd moment of perfect eighties style guitar/synth pop; its the formulaic gospel choir stuff that always got on my tits i spose.
It will be interesting to see where he is in a decade, in terms of longevity.
Longevity? he's been active as a professional musician since the early 80's, and released his first album in 1992!
Uncle Liam wrote:
NO Regret wrote: Have New Order been the most influential, ground-breaking, consistant, creative, greatest, unique, varied musical styled, trend setting, anti-establishment, soundtrack of our lives band ever?
I certainly cant think of any other band that fits the bill for New Order's lifespan.
Lets get real for a second. And bear in mind i'm not a fan of all these bands:
The Clash - only arround for what 8 years? REM - a good choice. But their music style has essentially stayed the same. Pixies - a good choice David Bowie - I think this guy is awesome in terms of output, reinventing himself, being around since late 60's. Kraftwerk - went off the boil after 81 Black Flag - never heard of Moby - done some decent stuff, done some tosh, not been around long enough to compare The Smiths - 4 year career yet they achieved so much Cocteau Twins - still going? Public Enemy - hugely inspirational but were around for long? Grand master Flash - wasnt around long enough Roxy Music - good choice The Human League - a different league. Maybe Champtionship. Blondie - loved them and comparable Spiritualized - who? I could go on forever....
Although the question is so vague its meaningless. So a big
I didnt think it was that vague a question.
