NO live at Hurrah

Does anyone know if this live show was ever sold to the public??

On her website, the videographer says that she has the full show. I've sent her an email inquiry to see if it is or will be on sale at some time. Will report back if I hear anything.

thank you your holiness.

I thought this was going to be a joke.... more more more more!!!!!!!

Well Bernard's jumper matches up with stills we've seen from this show, so it looks pretty kosher to me. Hope the full show does exist and becomes available!

I concur :)

Brilliant footage I want more

update:

Received this email back today.

Hi David,

I am currently talking with the group to develop a project with this footage. I do hope something works out and I can release much of it on a DVD sometime in the near future. The performance is very special, their U.S. debut, and I was very excited to have the original tape digitally re-mastered recently. Please write me from time to time to inquire about my progress if you are interested.

Yours truly, Merrill Aldighieri

The footage does seem legit. She was apparently the VJ at the Hurrah and has footage of a number of other bands, including Bauhaus, Magazine, Gang of Four, the Mekons, et al. This is her website: http://artclips.free.fr/videojockey_memoirs.htm

Were new order a three piece at tis gig or four piece ?

It would be great to see this given a release of some sort, perhaps with the movement remaster????

Well Merill- this 3 piece played their US debut on the other side of the Jersey River a few days before Maxwells in Hobboken, but mistake apart, good to know this footage really does exist & hopefully the whole show

Quality

& DNE played on a 4-string,this must've been not long after the gear got nicked,or had it not moved onto 6-string yet?

they did Maxwell's and then the gear went AWOL for the rest of the US tour.

Anyone know what the setlist was for this gig????

Great find!

She's sitting on a gold mine there! Better than the sh*t on the Glasgow Bonus Disc.

Gang of Four is well worth checking out. Brings back memories of the OGWT.

His Holiness, The Pope wrote: update:

Received this email back today.

Hi David,

I am currently talking with the group to develop a project with this footage. I do hope something works out and I can release much of it on a DVD sometime in the near future. The performance is very special, their U.S. debut, and I was very excited to have the original tape digitally re-mastered recently. Please write me from time to time to inquire about my progress if you are interested.

Yours truly, Merrill Aldighieri

The footage does seem legit. She was apparently the VJ at the Hurrah and has footage of a number of other bands, including Bauhaus, Magazine, Gang of Four, the Mekons, et al. This is her website: http://artclips.free.fr/videojockey_memoirs.htm

So she is actually having contact with the band about this footage. Great to hear they still are a group and willing to talk about releasing this or not:)

Maybe she can ask them to let us know soon what their plans are so we can move on as well...i mean it's been for more than over a year now since Hooky said he left and still it's all quiet on the western front:\ohwell:

She's sitting on a gold mine there! Better than the sh*t on the Glasgow Bonus Disc.

you really ain't got a clue

Shes also got ACR on her site, i take it this was the night they supprted NO, billed a 'A Certain General'

Bide your time, people. Extremely good things come to those who wait ;)

Just wanted to add that I think this footage is really cool too. I remember seeing the photo of their first U.S. gig post-Joy Division, and it's amazing to see a live shot of the same. An important moment in history.

Tim, that sounds good. So it's the remasters in September with extras, the Sirens cast-offs as a new ep, more live dvd's, a reunion mini-tour by Xmas and a new LP in 2010 then?

GAMICS wrote: Tim, that sounds good. So it's the remasters in September with extras, the Sirens cast-offs as a new ep, more live dvd's, a reunion mini-tour by Xmas and a new LP in 2010 then?

first two bits maybe!

Bloody hell! I never thought this would turn up - not only do we get a unique view of NO as 3 piece but, if the setlists of the surrounding shows are anything to go by, we're likely to also see Steve singing, IALP played with a drum machine (possibly even Procession too if the Hoboken snippet is true), Homage played live and Cries & Whispers and Mesh sung by a combination of vocalists!

We need this to be released in some form.

Also, great to see Hooky playing a Fender P-Bass. Didn't know that was part of his gear.

WW

Indeed!

wow. can't wait to see this.

cheers for the link I've never seen such clear footage of Gang of Four before. Would be great to see the whole Mekons/GoF recording.

Oh, and the New Order one as well of course

kino zon wrote: Does anyone know if this live show was ever sold to the public??

Fucking Great!!

Also, great to see Hooky playing a Fender P-Bass. Didn't know that was part of his gear.

I think it's a Yamaha BB800, also seen at Rochdale and at Rotterdam. That was the replacement bass bought when the gear went.

Geri wrote: cheers for the link I've never seen such clear footage of Gang of Four before. Would be great to see the whole Mekons/GoF recording.

Oh, and the New Order one as well of course

Yes indeed, though I would also love to see footage of the Lyres from this period as well!

johnny james wrote:

Also, great to see Hooky playing a Fender P-Bass. Didn't know that was part of his gear.

I think it's a Yamaha BB800, also seen at Rochdale and at Rotterdam. That was the replacement bass bought when the gear went.

whoops... i think you're right. my mistake.

And there is more, snippets of all seven songs from the set... (In A Lonely Place, Procession, Dreams Never End, Mesh, Truth, Cries & Whispers, Ceremony)

All hail the singing drummer!

all hail the keyboardist.

Steve singing just doesn't sound like him

Marvellous! That confirms Procession as having been played pre-Gillian. Gotta love Steve here indeed.

Too bad about Homage not being in this set as it would've been nice to find out what at least some of the words are. Nevertheless, this needs to come out on DVD asap!

That's pretty wild stuff (even if performance-wise it's ROUGH)! Cool to see Steve on vocals. Would love to see this released in its entirety some day.

Now that's the sort of thing I didn't expect to see light of day - thrilling!

Discussions with filmmaker Merrill are underway between the powers that be and her, with eye towards some future release of this material.

So I would kindly ask that forum members refrain from contacting her about the footage, it's a rather delicate situation that is still proceeding forward with baby steps.

It's because I asked her what the setlist is that we have this medley - she didn't know the song titles, so she put up the medley for me to identify the tracks - which I did for her. And now here we are...

drew (Drew Crumbaugh of the live gigs on the JD reissues)

this gets better and better...

cant wait for this to be released in full....

Interesting that they had just spent the preceding week recording the classic first version of Ceremony at the E.A.R.S. Studio in NJ with Bernard singing it throughout, yet live they're still using Steve for the verses and Hooky on the choruses. Maybe the multitrack has each of them trying it out?

Now that 7 song blast has made my day :)

johnny james wrote: Interesting that they had just spent the preceding week recording the classic first version of Ceremony at the E.A.R.S. Studio in NJ with Bernard singing it throughout, yet live they're still using Steve for the verses and Hooky on the choruses. Maybe the multitrack has each of them trying it out?

Presumably because Bernard couldn't play and sing at the same time well enough to pull it off live?

Tim wrote: Now that 7 song blast has made my day :)

"We're sorry, this video is no longer available"

Brilliant stuff...

The things that turn up,eh?

See that extra disc on the Glasgow DVD with the old footage? I thought it was shite. Skimmed through it. Like watching the visual equivalent of a crap live audio bootleg (is there any other kind of live bootleg?).

This on the other hand is quite exciting. Especially seeing Morris singing really badly. And the production seems pretty good too.

Boo to whoever took it off Youtube.

Merrill herself took it down. It was really intended just to be up temporarily, I don't think she counted on the tenacity of NOOLers in ferreting it out ;)

As I said, it's a delicate situation with her and the powers that be, so please don't contact her asking to put it up again. She's in contact with those she needs to be in contact with, to make anything happen down the road.

drew

This dvd was released a few years ago:

http://www.amazon.com/Live-Hurrahs-York-Various-Artists/dp/B000ENC7R2/ref=sr\_1\_7?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1214442076&sr=1-7http://www.amazon.com/Live-Hurrahs-York-Various-Artists/dp/B000ENC7R2/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1214442076&sr=1-7

There's none of the New Order performance on this though, and loads of tracklisting errors.

Yes, that DVD was rushed out without the participation of the filmmaker who was contacted at the last minute by error, thinking she was a fan who might have a photo for the package art. That was how she found her archive and was able to then have it remastered before it all tumbled into dust. She is now putting up samples on her website to identify the footage and find back collaborators for new releases with the bands.

'no longer available' dammed I'm 5 days late

Please make it happen

GlasVegas wrote: See that extra disc on the Glasgow DVD with the old footage? I thought it was shite. Skimmed through it. Like watching the visual equivalent of a crap live audio bootleg (is there any other kind of live bootleg?).

This on the other hand is quite exciting. Especially seeing Morris singing really badly. And the production seems pretty good too.

Boo to whoever took it off Youtube.

Not JUST me then!

Does anyone know if there is anything happening with this video with regards to a possible release ??

Yeah, this would be fascinating! Too bad I missed the medley of the whole setlist when it was up :\ohwell:

Merrill's website has a load of other great performances from other bands too!

GlasVegas wrote: See that extra disc on the Glasgow DVD with the old footage? I thought it was shite. Skimmed through it. Like watching the visual equivalent of a crap live audio bootleg (is there any other kind of live bootleg?).

glastonbury fayre rocks. how any new order fan cannot dig that show, for years one of the best audio boots, and now finally available thru video, is beyond me.

i shake my head at thee.

Eric Wang wrote:

johnny james wrote:

Also, great to see Hooky playing a Fender P-Bass. Didn't know that was part of his gear.

I think it's a Yamaha BB800, also seen at Rochdale and at Rotterdam. That was the replacement bass bought when the gear went.

whoops... i think you're right. my mistake.

Sorry to resurrect this thread, but you had it right the first time Eric - now that I've seen the Hurrah's video, he's definitely playing a Precision, the Fender headstock is visible and the pickup is in the normal (non-reverse) configuration. There's no pickguard either. They were using borrowed equipment that day, the BB800 came a bit later.

Edit: Harrah's -> Hurrah's

Chase wrote:

Eric Wang wrote:

johnny james wrote:

Also, great to see Hooky playing a Fender P-Bass. Didn't know that was part of his gear.

I think it's a Yamaha BB800, also seen at Rochdale and at Rotterdam. That was the replacement bass bought when the gear went.

whoops... i think you're right. my mistake.

Sorry to resurrect this thread, but you had it right the first time Eric - now that I've seen the Hurrah's video, he's definitely playing a Precision, the Fender headstock is visible and the pickup is in the normal (non-reverse) configuration. There's no pickguard either. They were using borrowed equipment that day, the BB800 came a bit later.

Edit: Harrah's -> Hurrah's

The headstock sure looked like a Fender P-bass. Good catch on the pickguard.

One reason why I'm not sure if they are using borrowed equipment is Bernard's ES-335-TD. You don't just borrow one of those... not like the one he's playing. Also, if the one that he's playing is the same one that he plays often in the early to mid-1980s, he made one aesthetic change: he changed his plastic pickup frames from stock black to white/cream.

By the way, here's a picture of my 1974 Gibson ES-335TD. I searched for a long while to get one just like Bernard's.

Sorry to resurrect this thread, but you had it right the first time Eric - now that I've seen the Hurrah's video, he's definitely playing a Precision, the Fender headstock is visible and the pickup is in the normal (non-reverse) configuration. There's no pickguard either. They were using borrowed equipment that day, the BB800 came a bit later.

You could be right about the Precision (in the video), though I can see a pickguard. It has a maple neck too, unlike (I think) the BB800.

One reason why I'm not sure if they are using borrowed equipment is Bernard's ES-335-TD. You don't just borrow one of those... not like the one he's playing. Also, if the one that he's playing is the same one that he plays often in the early to mid-1980s, he made one aesthetic change: he changed his plastic pickup frames from stock black to white/cream.

I think he had two of them. They used the replacement gear throughout 1980, also visible at Rochdale and Rotterdam...

Then when they got the gear back, they used that again from 1981 onwards.

The bass in the picture is definately a Yamaha.

You can actually see the Yamaha logo, including the round circle. Basically, most of the Japanese companies around then were making copies of Gibson and Fender gear... I believe that could be a Yamaha Pulsar 400 which was their knockoff/clone of the Fender PBass.

The bass in the picture is a Yamaha (it's a BB800). The bass in the video is a Fender.

Ah, my bad... I thought he was talking about the bass in the photo... Out equiptmented again by the true gear heads!!!!

It's an easy enough mistake to make when you're looking at 30-year old dark photos and videos!

Here's Yamaha's page on the BB800 (in Japanese, but you can see it, along with the dates of manufacture):

http://www.yamaha.co.jp/product/guitar/eg/database/bb/bb-800.html

They have the BB1200 as well but not the BB1200S, for some reason.

Eric: I had the same thought about the 335-TD, but they're stuff was stolen right after their first US gig at Maxwell's (in Hoboken) and the Hurrah's show was right after that, so this must have been borrowed gear. They only played Hurrah's the one time. Maybe Barney's guitar wasn't stolen for some reason, or they did find another one... (I'd be surprised if he'd bothered to change the pickup rings, since they didn't seem very interested in the cosmetics of their instruments). Any pictures of him with the 335 before the theft?

(btw, the new site can't come soon enough, this damn thing eats posts)

(BTW, nice guitar!)

Chase wrote:

Eric: I had the same thought about the 335-TD, but they're stuff was stolen right after their first US gig at Maxwell's (in Hoboken) and the Hurrah's show was right after that, so this must have been borrowed gear. They only played Hurrah's the one time. Maybe Barney's guitar wasn't stolen for some reason, or they did find another one... (I'd be surprised if he'd bothered to change the pickup rings, since they didn't seem very interested in the cosmetics of their instruments). Any pictures of him with the 335 before the theft?

I wish I had more photos of the early period.

Here's a cool photo by Eugene Merinov of the Ukranian National Home performance... band is probably playing Ceremony. Check out the 335 Gillian is playing with the white/cream pickup rings.

Cool pic - definitely looks like the same guitar. Gillian's gear is regularly overlooked - some of it may have been handed off from Barney, but I know for example that she had a Shergold Masquerader in the early years (stock, so apparently not the one Barney had in JD), and a Yamaha SG (sort of a cross between a Gibson LP and SG) in the mid-80's; those were really well-made guitars that are fetching good prices these days.

(gah, just saw my they're/their - I blame the fact that I had to quickly retype the entire post after it got eaten)

Does anyone know if anything is happening with this footage ? ie , are they any plans to relaease the gig, or is it out there somewhere already ??

Colin Simpson wrote: Does anyone know if anything is happening with this footage ? ie , are they any plans to relaease the gig, or is it out there somewhere already ??

Nah, some behind the scenes collectors have been trying to get it from her for years. She's holding out for too much money, but we're to the point where it's not cost effective. If it was put on CD/DVD it wouldn't make enough money to cover the cost of purchasing it - no one but serious collectors are interested anymore.

I may have dreamt it, but wasn't her condition for its release for it to be a 'then and now' film - ie get the band back together to perform the same setlist and include that as well so we could all compare and contrast.

No surprise that idea never had legs...

Old Blue wrote: I may have dreamt it, but wasn't her condition for its release for it to be a 'then and now' film - ie get the band back together to perform the same setlist and include that as well so we could all compare and contrast.

No surprise that idea never had legs...

It was no dream, your right on the money from what I was told. Besides the fortune it would take to buy it, she also wants the band to get back togeather and play the set again........lol

I specifically asked Hooky about this when I met him backstage recently (03/10/10) at the Powerstation. He said the issue with this one was over the fact that whilst she was a VJ at the club, it didn't actually belong to her. It was the property of the club. Don't know what the outcome is likely to be, but it is a question of ownership.

Hope it gets sorted!

The likely outcome is simply that no one will ever get to see it.

His Holiness, The Pope wrote: update:

Received this email back today.

Hi David,

I am currently talking with the group to develop a project with this footage. I do hope something works out and I can release much of it on a DVD sometime in the near future. The performance is very special, their U.S. debut, and I was very excited to have the original tape digitally re-mastered recently. Please write me from time to time to inquire about my progress if you are interested.

Yours truly, Merrill Aldighieri

"I was very excited to have the original tape digitally re-mastered recently." hummm.........!

"its all about the dollars.."

I would buy a double dvd package including this and JD's Brussels 79 video

Darkman wrote:

His Holiness, The Pope wrote: update:

Received this email back today.

Hi David,

I am currently talking with the group to develop a project with this footage. I do hope something works out and I can release much of it on a DVD sometime in the near future. The performance is very special, their U.S. debut, and I was very excited to have the original tape digitally re-mastered recently. Please write me from time to time to inquire about my progress if you are interested.

Yours truly, Merrill Aldighieri

"I was very excited to have the original tape digitally re-mastered recently." hummm.........!

Nonsense.

She was talking about this in 2007 (08?) and had the brilliant idea - despite the band having, you know, broken up and all - of only releasing the original footage as part of a modern reinterpretation of the original footage, an artsy film made of the modern NO performing all of the tracks from Hurrah's live interspersed with the 1980 footage. Basically she wanted to film 2008 New Order, in a room, playing 1980 New Order tracks as featured at the Hurrah's gig. An ... interesting concept, to say the least.

That idea went about as far as Hooky's eternal, undying love for all things Bernard.

Attempts were made, both officially and via end-run, to obtain this footage for archival/other use (including an option for the audio only, as it is stereo soundboard) and were all rebuffed. Supposedly the band has a U-Matic video copy (from 1980) of the original footage (Merrill claims to still have the signed receipt from a day after the gig, signed by Hooky at least), but I'd hazard to say if that were indeed the case these days - I'd bet they did have it at one point, at least within management's control and not buried below the Revenge rehearsal videos in Hooky's basement - footage would have been on the Glasgow bonus DVD unless Merrill forbade all commercial use as part of the sale - SALE! - to the band in September 1980 of the U-Matic dub.

I bet she has the only legit copy (barring any she gave to friends, and I doubt even Shamberg has a copy) functionally available these days. If the band has one, it's buried, and probably wrapped in contractual bullshit.

Someone needs to explain the reality of the modern New Order situation to her. And then we wait for the time to come when another critical part of this band's history is lost forever a la Bury, 1980.

Darkman wrote:

His Holiness, The Pope wrote: update:

Received this email back today.

Hi David,

I am currently talking with the group to develop a project with this footage. I do hope something works out and I can release much of it on a DVD sometime in the near future. The performance is very special, their U.S. debut, and I was very excited to have the original tape digitally re-mastered recently. Please write me from time to time to inquire about my progress if you are interested.

Yours truly, Merrill Aldighieri

"I was very excited to have the original tape digitally re-mastered recently." hummm.........!

much....

how fucking much of it ?

It's probably only half an hour long too, all or nothing please!

drewc wrote:

Darkman wrote:

His Holiness, The Pope wrote: update:

Received this email back today.

Hi David,

I am currently talking with the group to develop a project with this footage. I do hope something works out and I can release much of it on a DVD sometime in the near future. The performance is very special, their U.S. debut, and I was very excited to have the original tape digitally re-mastered recently. Please write me from time to time to inquire about my progress if you are interested.

Yours truly, Merrill Aldighieri

"I was very excited to have the original tape digitally re-mastered recently." hummm.........!

Nonsense.

She was talking about this in 2007 (08?) and had the brilliant idea - despite the band having, you know, broken up and all - of only releasing the original footage as part of a modern reinterpretation of the original footage, an artsy film made of the modern NO performing all of the tracks from Hurrah's live interspersed with the 1980 footage. Basically she wanted to film 2008 New Order, in a room, playing 1980 New Order tracks as featured at the Hurrah's gig. An ... interesting concept, to say the least.

That idea went about as far as Hooky's eternal, undying love for all things Bernard.

Attempts were made, both officially and via end-run, to obtain this footage for archival/other use (including an option for the audio only, as it is stereo soundboard) and were all rebuffed. Supposedly the band has a U-Matic video copy (from 1980) of the original footage (Merrill claims to still have the signed receipt from a day after the gig, signed by Hooky at least), but I'd hazard to say if that were indeed the case these days - I'd bet they did have it at one point, at least within management's control and not buried below the Revenge rehearsal videos in Hooky's basement - footage would have been on the Glasgow bonus DVD unless Merrill forbade all commercial use as part of the sale - SALE! - to the band in September 1980 of the U-Matic dub.

I bet she has the only legit copy (barring any she gave to friends, and I doubt even Shamberg has a copy) functionally available these days. If the band has one, it's buried, and probably wrapped in contractual bullshit.

Someone needs to explain the reality of the modern New Order situation to her. And then we wait for the time to come when another critical part of this band's history is lost forever a la Bury, 1980.

Thanks for clearing that up Sir. I thought it was very intresting that she said, she had the original tape digitally re-mastered recently.............cheers

Her site is here:

http://artclips.free.fr/index.htm

and her YouTube Channel here:

http://www.youtube.com/user/VJnumber1

Her site is pretty hard to navigate and commits many web design mortal sins (sideways scrolling etc). I get the impression this is all self promotion rather than any interest in the music. She'll hold onto the New Order footage for dear life I reckon, unable to release it (since they're on a major label), and also unable to get them to license it for the required fee (which will be too much given the fairly limited ability to recoup).

Of course the value of this is diminishing as each year passes, as the band are still split up and unable to function even enough to put out archive releases themselves, leading to interest in them fading away.

New member here, hate to bump an old topic with my first post, but I commented on the Hurrah video last week, asking how progress was going on it - and her reply was:

"I've had a few other films keeping me busy and the ideas how to distribute have not gelled either. I would love to do a screening party of the raw footage, if anybody wants to organise that, maybe that would be easier to do in the short term. Also am happy to screen it in my studio if anybody wants to visit Paris."

Which seems quite promising to me - or am I not being cynical enough!