The Glasgow DVD includes an ad for the reissues which says "Remastered and expanded in a 2 disc set with non-album singles, b-sides, remixes, new liner notes and more!"
Could it be we might actually get some satisfactory product?
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Not in the UK version :\ohwell:
Sounds a bit shite tho',non-album singles & b-sides that we've all probably got 10-fold on the various 'best of's',& remixes that are usually an insult to the originals( altho' in the case of Shitstream,an improvement).So,basically,other than the remaster,nothing fookin' new,or of interest.Let's not be hasty & jump the gun tho',but if it's true,well fookin' done Warners.Did we not point you in the direction of the Bunnymen & Cure reissues? Feck 
Aries wrote: The Glasgow DVD includes an ad for the reissues which says "Remastered and expanded in a 2 disc set with non-album singles, b-sides, remixes, new liner notes and more!"
Could it be we might actually get some satisfactory product?
All the more power to warner if they follow the Depeche Mode remaster style. A dvd full of extras would make my day, since I can extract and such. I do hope the republic bsides are missing, they were crap.
I assume it's going to be like the Cure reissues, which is fine by me. I can extract DVD audio too, but I always thought the idea of putting the DM b-sides on a DVD instead of CD was a bit daft.
Oh and speaking of the Cure reissues, I want to give a big *FU* to Warner for being "politically correct" and leaving Killing an Arab off the remaster of Three Imaginary Boys. No big deal, right? It was only their FIRST SINGLE, therefore one of the most important songs of their career! But we can't risk offending people!
Twats.
Aries wrote: I assume it's going to be like the Cure reissues, which is fine by me. I can extract DVD audio too, but I always thought the idea of putting the DM b-sides on a DVD instead of CD was a bit daft.
Oh and speaking of the Cure reissues, I want to give a big *FU* to Warner for being "politically correct" and leaving Killing an Arab off the remaster of Three Imaginary Boys. No big deal, right? It was only their FIRST SINGLE, therefore one of the most important songs of their career! But we can't risk offending people!
Twats.
Thats what we get with the insanity of political correctness here in the states. Thats like leaving off pictures of you and fascination street off disintegration because they werent on the greatest hits.
Aries wrote: Oh and speaking of the Cure reissues, I want to give a big *FU* to Warner for being "politically correct" and leaving Killing an Arab off the remaster of Three Imaginary Boys. No big deal, right? It was only their FIRST SINGLE, therefore one of the most important songs of their career! But we can't risk offending people!
Erm, hate to burst your bubble, but Killing An Arab wasn't on the album. It's the original Fiction Records LP remastered, not the US version or anything else. Killing An Arab was a 7" and didn't appear on an album until the label cobbled together Boys Don't Cry in order to include Arab and Boys on one record and lob off some of the weaker tracks from the debut.
Nice try, though.
£50 Note wrote:
Aries wrote: Oh and speaking of the Cure reissues, I want to give a big *FU* to Warner for being "politically correct" and leaving Killing an Arab off the remaster of Three Imaginary Boys. No big deal, right? It was only their FIRST SINGLE, therefore one of the most important songs of their career! But we can't risk offending people!
Erm, hate to burst your bubble, but Killing An Arab wasn't on the album. It's the original Fiction Records LP remastered, not the US version or anything else. Killing An Arab was a 7" and didn't appear on an album until the label cobbled together Boys Don't Cry in order to include Arab and Boys on one record and lob off some of the weaker tracks from the debut.
Nice try, though.
And Charlotte Sometimes wasn't on Faith, but it was included on the Faith remasters. Pretty obvious omission of Killing an Arab, especially when World War, Jumping Someone Else's Train, and Boys Don't Cry were all included in the TIB remaster when they didn't appear on the original version. To include two of the singles repackaged on Boys Don't Cry but not the third seems suspect.
It makes you wonder how we'll ever get a remastered, good sounding Killing An Arab, short of a remastered "Standing By The Beach", which I'd be in favor of since it was my first Cure cd.
And it even came with a sticker explaining the song!
£50 Note wrote: Erm, hate to burst your bubble, but Killing An Arab wasn't on the album. It's the original Fiction Records LP remastered, not the US version or anything else. Killing An Arab was a 7" and didn't appear on an album until the label cobbled together Boys Don't Cry in order to include Arab and Boys on one record and lob off some of the weaker tracks from the debut.
Nice try, though.
As the folks above pointed out, I was referring to the second disc of the reissue, which collected non-album tracks from the period. Perhaps I should have been more clear on that.
Aries wrote: As the folks above pointed out, I was referring to the second disc of the reissue, which collected non-album tracks from the period. Perhaps I should have been more clear on that.
In that sense, yes, it's a glaring omission.
Well, to get back on topic, does anyone think i'll finally be able to own a real version of run 2? Now with these remasters, it would be pointless for them to exclude the original temptation, confusion run 2, and other songs only seen on singles and such.
Suffice to say that a fair amount is going on behind the scenes to deliver the sort of product we all want, as a fitting end. They have listened to constructive suggestions...
And another thing, did anyone else who bought the US DVD notice on the flyer that Republic was included. So it's not going to be just the factory years!
Yeah, in Hooky's latest interview (posted in another thread) he said they're doing all the albums.
Aries wrote: I assume it's going to be like the Cure reissues, which is fine by me. I can extract DVD audio too, but I always thought the idea of putting the DM b-sides on a DVD instead of CD was a bit daft.
Oh and speaking of the Cure reissues, I want to give a big *FU* to Warner for being "politically correct" and leaving Killing an Arab off the remaster of Three Imaginary Boys. No big deal, right? It was only their FIRST SINGLE, therefore one of the most important songs of their career! But we can't risk offending people!
Twats.
Yup, that's America for you. Too much PC in this country. Had it been titled "Killing a Straight White Male", it MAY have been permissible.
To my further astonishment, I saw the Cure on their current tour and the lyric was changed to "killing another."
Oh Robert, how could you?
Aries wrote: The Glasgow DVD includes an ad for the reissues which says "Remastered and expanded in a 2 disc set with non-album singles, b-sides, remixes, new liner notes and more!"
Could it be we might actually get some satisfactory product?
Not sure. Have a look at http://www.cerysmaticfactory.info/
...and you'll see this:
28 June 2008 ReOrdered
Peter Hook confirms that the remastered New Order Factory-era albums (Movement, Power Corruption & Lies, Low-Life, Brotherhood, Technique) are finished (at least on the mastering side of things) and will appear this September & October. (Initial release date for the first titles is September 22.) They will follow the same concept as the recent Warner Joy Division remasters: 2 discs, one being the album, the other being a live show from that era.
If they add live shows the reissues will be very interesting then there's a point in buying them. Just having them remastered after all the compilations isn't a trigger. So please add live shows!!!!
Disappointing if true.
There are a myriad of non-album/vinyl only tracks which would have made these re-releases very very worthwhile and made up in some way for the complete scrapping of Gretton's "Recycle" idea. Shoving on a few random live shows is a bit shite, frankly. We've all got the bootlegs, the live DVDs etc so it really was time for the b-sides and rarer alternate mixes to get a decent reissue
Fully remastered and complete 12" versions of TPK, Hurt etc?
Not this time it would seem.
Mind you, never really expected Warners to come out with something like this. They should really have requested input from those fans who know the discography pretty well. I'm sure most people would have done it for free 
Ok - maybe they could make new recordings of all the songs then? Another reason to get in to the studio - like Peel Sessions, even the B-sides and the remixes??
David Gladwin wrote:
Aries wrote: The Glasgow DVD includes an ad for the reissues which says "Remastered and expanded in a 2 disc set with non-album singles, b-sides, remixes, new liner notes and more!"
Could it be we might actually get some satisfactory product?
Not sure. Have a look at http://www.cerysmaticfactory.info/
...and you'll see this:
28 June 2008 ReOrdered
Peter Hook confirms that the remastered New Order Factory-era albums (Movement, Power Corruption & Lies, Low-Life, Brotherhood, Technique) are finished (at least on the mastering side of things) and will appear this September & October. (Initial release date for the first titles is September 22.) They will follow the same concept as the recent Warner Joy Division remasters: 2 discs, one being the album, the other being a live show from that era.
which ties in exactly with what nic said in the thread about htis before.
Could it be that the UK and US reissues will be different? Make us spend twice as much money, right? For now I'm going to go with the DVD insert.
Not sure what was the point of that last post - maybe I'm missing something.
What definitely is fucking missing is Substance 1987 from the remaster schedule.
How fucking dare they!!? So that's no nice crisp versions of Temptation, Confusion, Perfect Kiss, True Faith, Hurt, Cries and Whispers, In a Lonely Place, and 1963.
Ask most people on this site and reckon a great deal would say that clean and clear remastered versions of these classic tracks in New Order's resume were fucking ESSENTIAL!.
"But we can't remaster Substance, because then we'd have to remaster The Best Of, International, and Singles"
No you fucking wouldn't, Substance was different - it was tasteful and essential collection of classic 12" mixes and B-sides which captured the sublime transformation of the band, not a tasteless, pointless cash-in thought up greedy record execs determined to bleed the back catalogue dry of all its fucking integrity.
I may be wrong, and maybe it is coming out, in which case I take all that back.
While I agree Substance is essential and should have been included in the remasters I wouldn't so much have minded if they'd done what the Glasgow DVD advert hinted at I.e. 2 CD "expanded" versions of each album with the all non-album/single/12" versions in chronological order on the second disc.
But from the sounds of things, they haven't.
Not to mention that Joy Division's Substance was not included in their remasters so basically, it's more than likely we won't be getting New Order's one in this lot.
Nick King wrote: Don't worry, they'll do another best of!
As sure as night follows day 
But it's understandable why some people are disappointed. Reissues along the lines of say, the Pet Shop Boys one would've been most New Order fanatic's wet dream. Just seems to be another opportunity pissed up the wall.
I'm beginning to think that bar the albums and "well known" tracks the label and/or the band have mislaid the master tapes 
Ally wrote:
Nick King wrote: Don't worry, they'll do another best of!
As sure as night follows day
But it's understandable why some people are disappointed. Reissues along the lines of say, the Pet Shop Boys one would've been most New Order fanatic's wet dream. Just seems to be another opportunity pissed up the wall.
I'm beginning to think that bar the albums and "well known" tracks the label and/or the band have mislaid the master tapes
I've mentioned the Pet Shop Boys reissues before. Mainly due to the fact that they're fucking spot on. I'm not an obsessive PSB fan, but I've bought at least four of these albums because they're just great - the booklet gives the listener a fantastic insight to the stories behind the album and the tracks, and then there's the B-side discs which pretty much include everything.
Surely Barney, given his working relationship with Pet Shop Boys must have looked at these and thought 'yeah - this is what we should do'.
Actually, I blame Hooky - it's probably him that wants a bloody live disc
I don't need little stories about songs from Barney. The vagueness and mystery is part of NO's charm.
Vagueness and mystery or just accident and bad management?
They're in their fucking 50s - it's about time they pulled back the curtain more.
Besides, they're not exactly the Residents or Throbbing Gristle are they?
They got to No1 in the UK with a football song with the England National team, they regularly appeared on Top of the Pops, Barney appeared on a TV documentary about Prozac, Hooky was the house band for the Mrs Merton Show, and Stephen and Gillian made music for BBC programmes, and they've been played by actors in two relatively mainstream (if a tad arty) films.
Call that mystery do you?
Emile Strunz wrote: Vagueness and mystery or just accident and bad management?
They're in their fucking 50s - it's about time they pulled back the curtain more.
Besides, they're not exactly the Residents or Throbbing Gristle are they?
They got to No1 in the UK with a football song with the England National team, they regularly appeared on Top of the Pops, Barney appeared on a TV documentary about Prozac, Hooky was the house band for the Mrs Merton Show, and Stephen and Gillian made music for BBC programmes, and they've been played by actors in two relatively mainstream (if a tad arty) films.
Call that mystery do you?
You make a good point, they've become like depeche mode, not even being able to be interviewed together. The thing that I do enjoy most about New Order is their accidents made them infamous.
Could someone please tell how much the members are actually involved in these reissues? why do i get thet feeling that only Hoooky is involved? or better, is he actually involved?
i mean all this talking about the reissues and what should or should not be on them...if the band is not involved (which i think is happing since they have split up and haven't spoke to each other for over a year or so) then it's just a money making thing from record company. remasterd stuff with the same old shite of remixes and stuff we have already seen on countless collections/compilations or whatever..
However, if they are involved i do hope they will make an effort out of it but seeing the state of the band right now (and the glasgow dvd unfortunately, well im meant the sloppy layout)i fear dissapointment.
I do look forward to the remasterd versions of the old albums though..:\ohwell:
Emile Strunz wrote: Vagueness and mystery or just accident and bad management?
They're in their fucking 50s - it's about time they pulled back the curtain more.
Besides, they're not exactly the Residents or Throbbing Gristle are they?
They got to No1 in the UK with a football song with the England National team, they regularly appeared on Top of the Pops, Barney appeared on a TV documentary about Prozac, Hooky was the house band for the Mrs Merton Show, and Stephen and Gillian made music for BBC programmes, and they've been played by actors in two relatively mainstream (if a tad arty) films.
Call that mystery do you?
Emile Strunz wrote: Vagueness and mystery or just accident and bad management?
They're in their fucking 50s - it's about time they pulled back the curtain more.
Besides, they're not exactly the Residents or Throbbing Gristle are they?
They got to No1 in the UK with a football song with the England National team, they regularly appeared on Top of the Pops, Barney appeared on a TV documentary about Prozac, Hooky was the house band for the Mrs Merton Show, and Stephen and Gillian made music for BBC programmes, and they've been played by actors in two relatively mainstream (if a tad arty) films.
Call that mystery do you?
eh, my comment was more directed at the songs. Good points tho.
coney island baby wrote:
Emile Strunz wrote: Vagueness and mystery or just accident and bad management?
They're in their fucking 50s - it's about time they pulled back the curtain more.
Besides, they're not exactly the Residents or Throbbing Gristle are they?
They got to No1 in the UK with a football song with the England National team, they regularly appeared on Top of the Pops, Barney appeared on a TV documentary about Prozac, Hooky was the house band for the Mrs Merton Show, and Stephen and Gillian made music for BBC programmes, and they've been played by actors in two relatively mainstream (if a tad arty) films.
Call that mystery do you?
eh, my comment was more directed at the songs. Good points tho.
Cool, my point is that this particular story is over now.
Cards on the table time, and the opportunity to get chapter and verse on one of the best bands of all time, and one last fantastic opportunity for a reassessment of their back catalogue that stays true to the original ethos of Factory Records and also offers new insight so that our experience is enriched by a slightly new perspective on that which we thought we new inside and out. Like finding out that your wife was well into ana.... you get my point.
If we get that, great. If we don't, reading the witty, abusive vitriol that will surely follow on this forum is some kind of consolation. The weird shitty empty kind of consolation. But consolation nonetheless.
Emile Strunz wrote:
coney island baby wrote:
Emile Strunz wrote: Vagueness and mystery or just accident and bad management?
They're in their fucking 50s - it's about time they pulled back the curtain more.
Besides, they're not exactly the Residents or Throbbing Gristle are they?
They got to No1 in the UK with a football song with the England National team, they regularly appeared on Top of the Pops, Barney appeared on a TV documentary about Prozac, Hooky was the house band for the Mrs Merton Show, and Stephen and Gillian made music for BBC programmes, and they've been played by actors in two relatively mainstream (if a tad arty) films.
Call that mystery do you?
eh, my comment was more directed at the songs. Good points tho.
Cool, my point is that this particular story is over now.
Cards on the table time, and the opportunity to get chapter and verse on one of the best bands of all time, and one last fantastic opportunity for a reassessment of their back catalogue that stays true to the original ethos of Factory Records and also offers new insight so that our experience is enriched by a slightly new perspective on that which we thought we new inside and out. Like finding out that your wife was well into ana.... you get my point.
If we get that, great. If we don't, reading the witty, abusive vitriol that will surely follow on this forum is some kind of consolation. The weird shitty empty kind of consolation. But consolation nonetheless.
Or..we get a 22 page assesment on that point in their career by Morley...
Just been talking to someone involved with the remasters - expect some fucking brilliant stuff, stuff you've never heard, that's all I am gonna say.
Tim wrote: Just been talking to someone involved with the remasters - expect some fucking brilliant stuff, stuff you've never heard, that's all I am gonna say.
Tim wrote: Just been talking to someone involved with the remasters - expect some fucking brilliant stuff, stuff you've never heard, that's all I am gonna say.
Niiiiiiiiiiiice
Tim wrote: Just been talking to someone involved with the remasters - expect some fucking brilliant stuff, stuff you've never heard, that's all I am gonna say.
Awesome You made my day!
I'll believe that when I see it. We're getting conflicting reports here, Hooky says live stuff, elsewhere I've heard related B-sides and remixes. Time is short for anything that involves digging through archives, they're supposed to be out in Sept.
Tim wrote: Just been talking to someone involved with the remasters - expect some fucking brilliant stuff, stuff you've never heard, that's all I am gonna say.
You've got me excited. This being New Order, though, let's just hope it actually happens.
johnny james wrote: I'll believe that when I see it. We're getting conflicting reports here, Hooky says live stuff, elsewhere I've heard related B-sides and remixes. Time is short for anything that involves digging through archives, they're supposed to be out in Sept.
Tim, can you at least tell us if it's vinyl rarities or live shows? Or both? You don't have to name specific shows or owt but it would kill alot of pointless speculation on here regarding this.
"Same format as the Joy Division remasters" basically indicates gigs on the second disc...
It won't be exactly the same format as the JD remasters... studio stuff too I understand..... and there will also be an outlet for live audio afficionados .....more soon.
Tim wrote: It won't be exactly the same format as the JD remasters... studio stuff too I understand..... and there will also be an outlet for live audio afficionados .....more soon.
Fucking A!!
You couldn't apply the same format to New Order anyway - completely different band that embraced remixes and gigged like fuck and have a much more substantial body of work behind them - the same format as the JD reissues would have been plain stupid
Hello everyone, first time poster here.
I think the Cure remasters are a good 'template' - I got the 2CD version of Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss Me and it seems a well thought-out release, a whole second disc of rarities including live versions, demos and alternative takes. Of course I'm not a big enough Cure fan to know how rare these rarities are, but it seems some care has gone into it. I only hope something similar happens for New Order, as London/Warners' handling of their musical legacy has been pretty shoddy so far. The Best Of from 1994 set the tone, trying to present New Order as an edgier version of the Pet Shop Boys or something. Compare that to the masterful Substance collections that Factory released. Hopefully the inclusion of the rare footage on the Glasgow DVD is a sign of change.
No need for "remastered" Substance if they put all the stuff on the bonus discs... but as said this opens the door for yet another "best of/ singles" comp. Hell, might as well give it another try to get it right.
The Substance 2nd CD was probably of little interest to many less "hardcore fan" buyers anyway, so kinda not worth rereleasing in that form, thou I personally love many of the tracks.
Substance opened my eyes and ears to a new side of New Order. The remasters offer so much potential, but i'm worried they won't match expectations.
I only noticed last night how many b-sides there are that have appeared on singles over the years that I hadn't heard of before. I sent Hooky a message through myspace and he confirmed the likes of MTO, Sabotage, Don't Do It, Dub Vulture, etc, would all appear on the remasters. Can't wait!
Ryan wrote: confirmed the likes of MTO, Sabotage, Don't Do It, Dub Vulture, etc, would all appear on the remasters. Can't wait!
Thats fine, but most people have all these tracks on various formats anyhow..... I'm hoping for something i havent heard or seen before on these discs.....
I absolutely do not see the point of remastering Get Ready or WFTSC.What more could it possibly give you of albums that were released 5 fookin' minutes ago,already subject to the latest recording techniques that the Factory-era produced albums weren't.It can't offer anything 'new'.& as for putting the likes of the Get Ready/WFTSC b-sides on the bonus discs,again,why? We have already got all that,it's just pointless & starts to smack of the recent marketing rip-off of re-releasing albums 6 months after they were initially released,as 'special editions' with an extra track or some shit,so us loyal fans buy it again.As has been said,Warners should start respecting this bands material,what they stand for,& it's fookin' fans. 
Tim wrote: Just been talking to someone involved with the remasters - expect some fucking brilliant stuff, stuff you've never heard, that's all I am gonna say.
I can't wait!
Everyone's chattin' about this so I thought I'd add my proverbial hapennyworth. Basically with relatively few actual songs spread over so many repackagings, I reckon it's time for something definitive - think 'Heart and Soul' or 'One True Passion V2.0' rather than 'Retro' (WORLD and no THIEVES LIKE US???!) or 'International'. With the improbability of any nw material surley this is the opportunity to do it once and for all.
Yeah good news! I forgot to mention in me last post but I wasn't up for live CDs. I've been listening (on and off) around 20 years and I've got live stuff coming out of my bottom.
I just hope that London Records reads the forums of New Order sites as well.
Last years JD remasters were OK. if it only was for the sleeves and the sound upgrade. But the real 'misser' was that they 'forgot' Substance (1988). A real shame because a lot of JD-singles aren't remastered in the same way the albums were.
So if they really doing the reissues/remasters for New Order, I like to see a few changes:
-Please use the bonus discs (if there aren't bonus discs then the fanbase will get REALLY angry with London and Warners) for studio material and NO stupid gigs/concerts. A lot of N/O concerts are shit audio so we really don't need these in the remaster series for the 80's albums of New Order. Maybe some other time on some separate live discs like the J/D ones (Preston & Les Bains Douches for example).
-Please use official b-sides, 7 inch & 12 inch versions and DON'T FORGET the whole Elegia on the Low Life remaster because a lot of the fans (most of them) couldn't get their hands on that fuckin' 5th Retro disc back in 2002. But that whole Retro-project was a farce if you ask me so don't get me started.
-If Substance 1987 is not included in the remaster-series, then be sure that ALL those tracks can be traced back on the corresponding N/O albums 2nd discs as bonus tracks etc.
Furthermore I think that for the original artwork we can walk the same road as the J.D ones. Maybe some extra inside folders will do the complete trick artwise.
Lucas Lefel wrote:
Last years JD remasters were OK. if it only was for the sleeves and the sound upgrade. But the real 'misser' was that they 'forgot' Substance (1988). A real shame because a lot of JD-singles aren't remastered in the same way the albums were.
They were all remastered on the Heart & Soul box set. Yes the albums were remastered again for last year's reissues, but I would argue there's nothing wrong with the sound on the Heart & Soul box set.
Agree with the comments about the artwork. After reading the interview with Hooky that Tim posted I'm increasingly hopeful that the forthcoming reissues will deliver the goods.
Pash: I agree with you ofcourse ... the Heart & Soul box set was a tremendous box set back in december 1997. London records did well on all of the studio tracks of Joy Division. And I don't really think a sound upgrade was necesarry in 2007.
When it happened last year, I was surprised that Substance 1988 wasn't included in the series. But it's not very important because we (as die hard fans) have the Heart & Soul box set which is great.
What I was trying to say was: I only hope that for the New Order series of upgrades/reissues they don't forget the tracks on Substance 1987. But I really hope they release them in the FULL VERSIONS as we know them on 12 inch. So we don't want an edit of The Perfect Kiss, Sub Culture and Shellshock. We want the real deal.
We deserve it after all this time ... we have waited for so long ... let's not waist this series of album-remasters. Let's do it the RIGHT way.
The same for Run2 and it's extended version, MTO and it's extended version: WE WANT ALL OF THE TRACKS THAT DIDN'T MAKE IT ON CD BEFORE. Please.
London records: take our advice
:)
the cure must be pretty shit these days they were fucking awful back in the eighties, new order covers band!
Michael Monkhouse wrote: Quote: WE WANT ALL OF THE TRACKS THAT DIDN'T MAKE IT ON CD BEFORE. Please.
Exactly.
personally i do not like all the various reissue shit, smacks of big record company BS, ironic really - a singles a single an albums an album, catch my drift...
If they really MUST stick a live gig of the period on the second CD then why the hell can they not use the spare space on the first CD to stick on the extra bits and bobs (B-sides, full length 12" mixes, unreleased stuff) instead of wasting it in this way by just having the original studio album?
After all every one of these five Factory studio albums is no more than 40 minutes anyway - which gives you another near-40 minutes to fill up goddammit!
For goodness sakes, for too long now we have had half measures and half-hearted compromises from Warners re: New Order's reissue programme. If the appalling wasted opportunities that are the execrable "Retro" and "International" are anything to go by, you'd think they'd have learned their lesson the hard way, judging by the wave of righteous indignation from many fan circles (not to mention the feeling of being repeatedly fleeced).
Tim wrote: Read the interview above for something about the bonus material....
What interview above 
Ryan wrote: http://www.neworderonline.com/Forums/MessageList.aspx?ThreadID=42716
Thatta one!
Thanks 
I somehow missed it 
Tim wrote: Just been talking to someone involved with the remasters - expect some fucking brilliant stuff, stuff you've never heard, that's all I am gonna say.
Tim wrote: Just been talking to someone involved with the remasters - expect some fucking brilliant stuff, stuff you've never heard, that's all I am gonna say.
That's pretty good news, but why is HMV Japan announcing this so NOT-"some fucking brilliant stuff, stuff you've never heard, that's all I am gonna say." ????
Igor wrote:
Tim wrote: Just been talking to someone involved with the remasters - expect some fucking brilliant stuff, stuff you've never heard, that's all I am gonna say.
That's pretty good news, but why is HMV Japan announcing this so NOT-"some fucking brilliant stuff, stuff you've never heard, that's all I am gonna say." ????
It's now possible, based on what Hooky said in the recent interview, to read between the lines of Tim's earlier post about an "outlet" for other recordings and predict that the "good stuff" that only hardcore fans care about would be delivered via a New Order-run website: one where people close to the band have control and active involvement.
Imagine, over time, the full extent of the band's tape archives being offered for purchase by download without the cost overhead of manufacturing CDs. Suppose there were (makes up numbers) 20,000 hardcore fans worldwide who would cough up 2 quid each for a reasonable quality audio recording of a gig, or 5 quid each for a rare live video or set of previously unheard demos. If the rights are available (I don't know how it works), they could eventually have every single track, every remix, every last rehearsal tape available at a reasonable price for the obsessive fan. That's probably a much better option for the band than trying to get a record company to press up physical discs for a limited audience.
Peter
PhilBarnes wrote:
Igor wrote:
Tim wrote: Just been talking to someone involved with the remasters - expect some fucking brilliant stuff, stuff you've never heard, that's all I am gonna say.
That's pretty good news, but why is HMV Japan announcing this so NOT-"some fucking brilliant stuff, stuff you've never heard, that's all I am gonna say." ????
It's now possible, based on what Hooky said in the recent interview, to read between the lines of Tim's earlier post about an "outlet" for other recordings and predict that the "good stuff" that only hardcore fans care about would be delivered via a New Order-run website: one where people close to the band have control and active involvement.
Imagine, over time, the full extent of the band's tape archives being offered for purchase by download without the cost overhead of manufacturing CDs. Suppose there were (makes up numbers) 20,000 hardcore fans worldwide who would cough up 2 quid each for a reasonable quality audio recording of a gig, or 5 quid each for a rare live video or set of previously unheard demos. If the rights are available (I don't know how it works), they could eventually have every single track, every remix, every last rehearsal tape available at a reasonable price for the obsessive fan. That's probably a much better option for the band than trying to get a record company to press up physical discs for a limited audience.
Peter
OK but those demos and rarities deserve a proper remaster and the quality of a dowmload has nothing to do with the release of a cd! Are fans prepared to pay for demos or a concert which quality would be just above the bootlegs they already own? 
