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I remember sooo many great NO songs that came off 12" singles that just aren't on any compilation disk. It's just wrong 
I just recently heard the Cure's Join the Dots and it reminded me of a ton of songs off 12" just like the old NO ones and I had to go see if New Order had released a b-side box set too, but no bueno...
I'd gladly pay $55 (Join the Dots price) for a complete/chronological New Order b-side box set!!!
-randy
They have remasters of the albums coming out with a second disc of the B-sides and some remixes. They will be out soon. Nothing unreleased it seems. A box set is unlikely.
Most of the 12" and B-sides that are non-album have been on the Substance compilation for 20 years, so I'm not sure what you are going on about, unless you are refering to Don't Do it, Best & Marsh, MTO, or Run2 12" from the Technique singles. The true "Mesh" is hard to find on CD. Most of the great classic songs are on Substance.
Other than that you just have a bunch of 90-00s remixes of varied interest which i doubt they will ever collect in one spot except in download form, since there are so many.
Try this if you want to find something Another recent thread
michael preda wrote: I just want another shot at temptation '98, that damn 5th retro disc eludes me constantly.
Maybe they will be nice and put it on the Get Ready extra disc.
room217 wrote: I just recently heard the Cure's Join the Dots and it reminded me of a ton of songs off 12" just like the old NO ones and I had to go see if New Order had released a b-side box set too, but no bueno...
I'd gladly pay $55 (Join the Dots price) for a complete/chronological New Order b-side box set!!!
-randy
randy,
that 'join the dots' boxset missed a ton of extra tracks, and mixes, it came in a book format, which is a total pain in the neck to read or even look at...
and then they milked everyone for more money with all the 2 cd remasters for the albums.. (yes i got all of those also)..
please don't use 'the cure' as any kind of example to follow, the price, and the track selection was not even worth it.. (although the quality was decent)..
if you only wanted to pay that much for new order tracks, you would hardly get anything for it..
later -1
Michael:
PM me your address and perhaps US mail can make a copy of the 5th disc magically arrive. It'll take a month or so as Retro is at my parents' house but if you've waited this long hopefully you can wait another few weeks (unless someone else here wants to hook you up faster).
Kerry Harris wrote: Michael:
PM me your address and perhaps US mail can make a copy of the 5th disc magically arrive. It'll take a month or so as Retro is at my parents' house but if you've waited this long hopefully you can wait another few weeks (unless someone else here wants to hook you up faster).
I thank you for the offer Kerry, but I have been offered this same offer earlier. I do thank your kindness.
-1 wrote:
that 'join the dots' boxset missed a ton of extra tracks, and mixes, it came in a book format, which is a total pain in the neck to read or even look at... and then they milked everyone for more money with all the 2 cd remasters for the albums.. -1
I disagree - there's not much overlap between "Join The Dots" and the deluxe edition albums. Interesting home demos, of course quality varies - but there's plenty of gems amongst them. In hindsight, some of those demos are the definitive versions. It's not anywhere near milking it in a "New Order" way. Only letdown for me was the remastering quality on the Cure albums - they tend to have everything compressed to death for loudness' sake. The "ton of extra tracks" you are missing, are mainly remixes anyway (most of, which can still be easily found on various 12" releases if you are desperate).
Another comparison would be the Bunnymen reissues - first a 4cd set, then albums with bonus tracks, again without too many overlaps. And what's amazing: quality is impeccable. Especially the albums, they sound lovely, and are in fact a huge improvement on the original cd releases. Well, there was one tiny drop-out on the 12" mix of Bring On The Dancing Horses, but the quality of the rest made up for it. A remastering job well done (for a change)!
What's more, those bonus tracks - "Crocodiles" first try with different producer, glacial "Heaven Up Here" live tracks, "Porcupine" alternate mixes, Liverpool Cathedral version of "Silver", etc, all in perfect quality - all fit in as an "Appendix". No need for a second disc. Not milking it. Well, not until later anyway... There have been several pointless "greatest hits"- type compilations since, but I highly recommend those "25th Anniversary" reissue albums if you haven't got them.
Another comparison would be the Bunnymen reissues - first a 4cd set, then albums with bonus tracks, again without too many overlaps. And what's amazing: quality is impeccable. Especially the albums, they sound lovely, and are in fact a huge improvement on the original cd releases. Well, there was one tiny drop-out on the 12" mix of Bring On The Dancing Horses, but the quality of the rest made up for it. A remastering job well done (for a change)!
What's more, those bonus tracks - "Crocodiles" first try with different producer, glacial "Heaven Up Here" live tracks, "Porcupine" alternate mixes, Liverpool Cathedral version of "Silver", etc, all in perfect quality - all fit in as an "Appendix". No need for a second disc. Not milking it. Well, not until later anyway... There have been several pointless "greatest hits"- type compilations since, but I highly recommend those "25th Anniversary" reissue albums if you haven't got them.
yes, i have all the bunnymen reissues too..
that crystal days boxset is also a huge pain in the neck to read, and to look at...what is up with the crappy longbox format???????
that's why i liked the new order retro book, simple, elegant, and succint...
nothing against echo, but yes, ok, they at least did a decent job on the collection, and did re-issue all the discs again also....i did feel kind of ripped off for having to buy the albums again....but thats what remasters are for....
i do have all the 12"s, but the point was to have all those mixes on cd right?....i gave the boxset package a B+ overall...
ok, this is heresy.... but HONESTLY, i think i'm starting to like echo a lot more nowadays, to me they've matured a lot more, their albums are consistent, mac's voice is still strong.....what can i say, with the release of all the live albums, dvd's, and singles..(along with solo stuff)..
i listen to echo a lot more nowadays, than i do to new order.....its not even a contest anymore..
echo HAS moved onto the future, where as new order DID NOT....
later -1
i did feel kind of ripped off for having to buy the albums again..
I felt cheated buying them too, but they were at least reasonably priced, so I did get them for the previously unheard bonus tracks. Having listened to them, though, I'd say they were definitely worthwhile!
..but thats what remasters are for..
Absolutely. For certain people in the business, "remaster" (a word all too often misused) is a way of selling you the same old shit you already have, and not a way of restoring a piece of art/history.
echo HAS moved onto the future, where new order DID NOT....
You've got a point there. Perhaps they survived because they (and their record label) started treating their back catalogue with respect?
echo HAS moved onto the future, where new order DID NOT....
You've got a point there. Perhaps they survived because they (and their record label) started treating their back catalogue with respect?
i don't think that's it..thats just a tiny fraction of them...because really, who cares about all that old stuff, except us old-timers, no current gen people would ever dig that far back i think...
over here in the US, they are invisible, and probably dead for all we know...
maybe their fans support them more in the UK, and this is their reward for having a following...
i don't know.... also, like i said, i find their material a lot more rewarding, and it has a depth, and maturity that i can't imagine 'new order' ever having again..its hard for me to think that...because 'new order' was my favorite band for a decade or more, and in the 80's could basically do no wrong, until they split up after substance, and then everything went downhill..
i know echo split up also, but it was short lived, and the band pulled together (much like the cure did also...)...and became even stronger now...
they chose different paths, and what we have now is a result of it..
I see your point -1, it's sad for me being a newer generation fan. In my stupidity I never saw them live, and now I live through the bootlegs and youtube. These remasters may give me the chance to semi experience these albums as a whole though. Therefore, regardless of the selection, I'll purchase them, besides if that really is run 2 on disc 2 of technique, i'll be a happy soul.
-1 wrote:
ok, this is heresy.... but HONESTLY, i think i'm starting to like echo a lot more nowadays, to me they've matured a lot more, their albums are consistent, mac's voice is still strong.....what can i say, with the release of all the live albums, dvd's, and singles..(along with solo stuff)..-1
I wouldn't say it was heresy. I listened to New Order a lot in the 80s (probably too much) - as a result I don't listen to them as much now - I probably overdid it. Joy Division I don't have the same problem with, maybe because their music has aged better. And there are contemporaries of New Order that I prefer listening to now, because I didn't play them to death back then. That's why I'm hoping these remasters will give me the chance to reassess New Order's albums.
