My guess would be for Technique since that album has a production much cleaner, crisper, and sonically deep than the previous records, although I thought True Faith was a step up in the production quality as well....can anyone confirm?
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When did NO start recording at Peter Gabriel's Real World studio?
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PCL and Technique are top notch recordings but Lowlife and Brotherhood sound like they were recorded in a shed!
And the after-show party at Real World (involving bucketfuls of smarties) sounded pretty fun! 
NO Regret wrote: PCL and Technique are top notch recordings but Lowlife and Brotherhood sound like they were recorded in a shed!
PCL to me sounds like it was produced and engineered similarly to Low Life and to a lesser extent Brotherhood. Brotherhood sounds like it was recorded on quite a low budget but the songs certainly make up for that. PCL-Low Life-Brotherhood all sound "analog" whereas TECHNIQUE, Republic, and everything after sound like a digital hi tech sonic icecapade in comparison.
I personally prefer NO during their "analog" period"
J
No Holiday wrote:
NO Regret wrote: PCL and Technique are top notch recordings but Lowlife and Brotherhood sound like they were recorded in a shed!
PCL to me sounds like it was produced and engineered similarly to Low Life and to a lesser extent Brotherhood. Brotherhood sounds like it was recorded on quite a low budget but the songs certainly make up for that. PCL-Low Life-Brotherhood all sound "analog" whereas TECHNIQUE, Republic, and everything after sound like a digital hi tech sonic icecapade in comparison.
I personally prefer NO during their "analog" period"
"PC&L" was recorded digitally and I remember an interview where Hooky, I think, said that the digital medium didn't suit their big sound so they were going back to analogue for subsequent recordings.
Granted, a lot of "Brotherhood" did sound like it was thrown together in a hurry.
Peter
No Holiday wrote: PCL-Low Life-Brotherhood all sound "analog" whereas TECHNIQUE, Republic, and everything after sound like a digital hi tech sonic icecapade in comparison.
J
What's an 'icecapade'? Is that "hood" speak?
Burt Reynolds wrote:
No Holiday wrote: PCL-Low Life-Brotherhood all sound "analog" whereas TECHNIQUE, Republic, and everything after sound like a digital hi tech sonic icecapade in comparison.
J
What's an 'icecapade'? Is that "hood" speak?
why would you ask me something like that? do you like men or something?
J
Burt Reynolds wrote:
No Holiday wrote: PCL-Low Life-Brotherhood all sound "analog" whereas TECHNIQUE, Republic, and everything after sound like a digital hi tech sonic icecapade in comparison.
J
What's an 'icecapade'? Is that "hood" speak?
I must infer this question, what is "hood speak"? I've heard of it on syndicated television, but it never caught on to me as to its true meaning.
hook speak is like ghetto talk, street talk, ebonics...something nobody here knows nothing about it since I dont really talk like that.
J
I am fluent in Hoodspeak.
So....New Order began recording Republic with Pascal Gabriel in Real World...then switched to Stephen Hague....wonder what happened...and what the album would have sounded like with Pascal producing.
I do think Technique is a beautifully produced album.
Brotherhood is a bit sloppier though, at the least the first side is. perhaps the band were trying to capture a certain energy when doing the guitar songs on that record.
Zachery Starkey wrote:
So....New Order began recording Republic with Pascal Gabriel in Real World...
I don't think they got to that point with Pascal, after all he only gets a "pre-production" credit on the booklet.. and just for Regret and Young Offender. Oh, and the album was also recorded at RAK Studios.
Monsieur Round & Round wrote: Yes, it was "Technique" the first record they did at Real World Studios, Bath, England!
that would be real world studios, box, england.
not bath. 
box is outside of bath, i know cos i went there when they were recording wftsc.
do not associate new order with barf ever again.
hibster wrote:
Monsieur Round & Round wrote: Yes, it was "Technique" the first record they did at Real World Studios, Bath, England!
that would be real world studios, box, england. not bath.
do not associate new order with barf ever again.
I, Sir, stand corrected
No Holiday wrote: hook speak is like ghetto talk, street talk, ebonics...something nobody here knows nothing about it since I dont really talk like that.
J
I knew Hooky's blogs are a bit incoprehensible at times, but never knew it qualified as 'ghetto talk'!
For me both PCL and Technique are the best produced New Order albums.
It would be nice if the upcoming remasters reveal more of the great sound quality I used to get from vinyl on these two albums. However, given London Records recent track record when it comes to nasty sounding CDs I am not holding out too much hope for this.
I think their best produced album is Technique.....the sound is equivalent is cool blue air and church choirs :) Too bad "Love Less" is on there and the bass is taken out of "Dream Attack". Otherwise we might have an almost perfect record.
Brotherhood as far as production and engineering goes sounds like doo doo. However, it is still my favorite and in my opinion the most consistent New Order LP.
The production on Republic is so good who needs Bass?!?! (sarcasm)
Sometimes I get so angry at Barney for his jealousy of Peter and that amazing bass work he does. Barney bitches about how the bass is too loud and some songs from 89-93 sound like there's no hook at all (mainly 93). If Barney wasn't such a jealous prick we'd all be hearing a lot more Peter in our New Order songs.....
And fuck Steven Hague too! I HATE IT WHEN THE BASS IS MUTED!
J
No Holiday wrote: I think their best produced album is Technique.....the sound is equivalent is cool blue air and church choirs :) Too bad "Love Less" is on there and the bass is taken out of "Dream Attack". Otherwise we might have an almost perfect record.
Brotherhood as far as production and engineering goes sounds like doo doo. However, it is still my favorite and in my opinion the most consistent New Order LP.
The production on Republic is so good who needs Bass?!?! (sarcasm)
Sometimes I get so angry at Barney for his jealousy of Peter and that amazing bass work he does. Barney bitches about how the bass is too loud and some songs from 89-93 sound like there's no hook at all (mainly 93). If Barney wasn't such a jealous prick we'd all be hearing a lot more Peter in our New Order songs.....
And fuck Steven Hague too! I HATE IT WHEN THE BASS IS MUTED!
J
Steven is a trivial one, I believe he also gave us True Faith and 1963? To go from those pieces to....the second half of Republic shows you the 90's kills any talent.
Major Tarantino wrote:
No Holiday wrote: Too bad "Love Less" is on there
My favourite song on the album
I also enjoy that track.
michael preda wrote:
No Holiday wrote: I think their best produced album is Technique.....the sound is equivalent is cool blue air and church choirs :) Too bad "Love Less" is on there and the bass is taken out of "Dream Attack". Otherwise we might have an almost perfect record.
Brotherhood as far as production and engineering goes sounds like doo doo. However, it is still my favorite and in my opinion the most consistent New Order LP.
The production on Republic is so good who needs Bass?!?! (sarcasm)
Sometimes I get so angry at Barney for his jealousy of Peter and that amazing bass work he does. Barney bitches about how the bass is too loud and some songs from 89-93 sound like there's no hook at all (mainly 93). If Barney wasn't such a jealous prick we'd all be hearing a lot more Peter in our New Order songs.....
And fuck Steven Hague too! I HATE IT WHEN THE BASS IS MUTED!
J
Steven is a trivial one, I believe he also gave us True Faith and 1963? To go from those pieces to....the second half of Republic shows you the 90's kills any talent.
I did enjoy 1963 and True Faith, but you gotta admit you can barely hear Hook on either of those records. Stephen Hague is just anti-bass for whatever reason. Despite this, I think Republic's second side had some good moments. Special, Times Change, Liar, and Avalanche are all towards the end I believe.
J
No Holiday wrote:
michael preda wrote:
No Holiday wrote: I think their best produced album is Technique.....the sound is equivalent is cool blue air and church choirs :) Too bad "Love Less" is on there and the bass is taken out of "Dream Attack". Otherwise we might have an almost perfect record.
Brotherhood as far as production and engineering goes sounds like doo doo. However, it is still my favorite and in my opinion the most consistent New Order LP.
The production on Republic is so good who needs Bass?!?! (sarcasm)
Sometimes I get so angry at Barney for his jealousy of Peter and that amazing bass work he does. Barney bitches about how the bass is too loud and some songs from 89-93 sound like there's no hook at all (mainly 93). If Barney wasn't such a jealous prick we'd all be hearing a lot more Peter in our New Order songs.....
And fuck Steven Hague too! I HATE IT WHEN THE BASS IS MUTED!
J
Steven is a trivial one, I believe he also gave us True Faith and 1963? To go from those pieces to....the second half of Republic shows you the 90's kills any talent.
I did enjoy 1963 and True Faith, but you gotta admit you can barely hear Hook on either of those records. Stephen Hague is just anti-bass for whatever reason. Despite this, I think Republic's second side had some good moments. Special, Times Change, Liar, and Avalanche are all towards the end I believe.
J
You've got a point, I too take a liking to Special, Times Change and Avalanche. Though I also believe Hooky shouldve been prominent in True Faith and 1964, it almost sounds as if they tried to mute his bass in True Faith.
Yes, that's exactly the problem. There was a period where the bass frequently sounded muted.....Either that or Peter was just playing really high end notes- which were still muted. By the way does anyone think Peter Hook's bass sounds similar to Robert Smith's guitar from the Cure?
J
No Holiday wrote: Yes, that's exactly the problem. There was a period where the bass frequently sounded muted.....Either that or Peter was just playing really high end notes- which were still muted. By the way does anyone think Peter Hook's bass sounds similar to Robert Smith's guitar from the Cure?
J
It's very similar, yet we know bobbert seemed to collect NO and JD, so it's no surprise.
hibster wrote:
Monsieur Round & Round wrote: Yes, it was "Technique" the first record they did at Real World Studios, Bath, England!
that would be real world studios, box, england. not bath.
do not associate new order with barf ever again.
Interesting bit of trivia: The track 'Fine Time' was called as such owing to a parking fine incured in the Bath area.
No Holiday wrote: Yes, that's exactly the problem. There was a period where the bass frequently sounded muted.....Either that or Peter was just playing really high end notes- which were still muted. By the way does anyone think Peter Hook's bass sounds similar to Robert Smith's guitar from the Cure?
J
Bob can't be credited with all the Hookalike guitar/bass sounds on Cure records-after all they do have Simon Gallup playing bass as well and I remember Simon finishing off Cure gigs in the early '90s by lapsing into She's Lost Control's bassline when they finished their gigs with A Forest. I've also read production and musician's credits on OMD's Crush album and noticed that Stephen Hague did some guitar work on that album, so Hague seems to have a lead guitarist's mentality when it comes to production and why he underplays the importance of Hooky's bass(bastard).
