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9 Jul 2002, 11:02

Ok, I missed the point with my trivia post, so let's get to it.

We want to build our FAQ, so the best way we figured is to start a topic with questions to answer, so basically we will refer people to the FAQ when they ask the same questions all the time.

And PLEASE, this time be serious, all non-sense post will be deleted, post only if you KNOW the answer. And even better, you can answer it if you think this will be a valuable thing for the FAQ.

I'll start by an example:

Q. Why is the first New Order album titled "Movement"?

A. It's the contrary of the last Joy Division album "Still".

(I'm not saying this is the real answer, you can comment it!)

Of course, we will add your name next to the answer unless you don't want to, we will select the good questions.

So let's say, you can always try to answer this one:

Q. Why is Bernard Sumner's nickname Barney?

9 Jul 2002, 11:17

That's because when he was a kid everyone saw him as a Barney from the Flinstones lookalike (it's true!). My question: What do the numbers and letters on the cover of "Brotherhood" mean (I know the answer, this one is just to make you think!)?

9 Jul 2002, 11:43

You may laugh at my face, but i don't now what are those numbers on the brotherhood cover... i always wondered what happened in 1963 for them to do that music... (sorry for my english)

9 Jul 2002, 12:03

9 Jul 2002, 12:04

Brotherhoods cover is a picture of a bar of zinc. those are the serial numbers am i correct or what?

9 Jul 2002, 14:05

where's Gillian Gilbert? (yeah, let's settle this once and for all!no more posting about this very topic!) Do the members of new order have any children? Where i can i find NO/JD tabs? Who is tony wilson? I'm a new fan, what's the best New Order/Joy division record to start with?

9 Jul 2002, 15:24

Which instuments does each band member play? What are the types of instruments they use on tour? Who are their managers, staff etc....?

Just a couple of starters;)

9 Jul 2002, 16:06

If you know the answer, go ahead an post it!

9 Jul 2002, 16:11

Why do they have Alan Wise present them? In fact why do they have Alan Wise present them?

9 Jul 2002, 16:59

Isn't Barney just called Barney because it's a shortened/informal version of Bernard? Or am I missing something somewhere? :scratch:

Certainly, a good question to answer re: Barney's name(s) might be why he keeps changing his surname, and why he chooses the alternatives he does...

9 Jul 2002, 17:52

Originally posted by Graeme Isn't Barney just called Barney because it's a shortened/informal version of Bernard? Or am I missing something somewhere? Certainly, a good question to answer re: Barney's name(s) might be why he keeps changing his surname, and why he chooses the alternatives he does...

Well, I think so too : Barney must very simply stand for Bernard...

9 Jul 2002, 19:07

Does the numbers 5-8-6 have any meaning????

9 Jul 2002, 19:32

actually, i always thought that bernie would be short for bernard, it would make more sense. but i guess barney just stuck.

9 Jul 2002, 19:57

No, really. Bernard was called Barney because he looked like Barney Rubble! I read this several times in the past! Long timers will be able to confirm this (where is Al Jarvis when you need him? :laugh: ).

9 Jul 2002, 20:38

but bernard has a neck!i'll compare the two later. did the band members give him this name or was it us fans?

actually, i have a funny key chain with a picture of barney the dinosaur strapped with dynamite, and at the bottom you see barney is in pieces with the words barney rubble at the bottom.

at least bernard doesn't look like the purple dinosaur.

9 Jul 2002, 23:11

I'm not sure if someone in the band ever called him Barney Rubble, I think he was (and still is) only Barney. The nickname Barney Rubble was first mentioned in a 1977 Warsaw gig review made by Tony Moon for Sounds magazine: "Tony Tabac is on drums...he only joined a few weeks ago, Peter Hook is on bass/plastic cap, Barney Rubble is on guitar and Ian Curtis is the voice. Lotsa Action and jumping in the air...to...'Tension', 'The Kill'..."

Plastic cap? :lol: Maybe fashion mistakes like plastic caps and mustaches could be a subject for the FAQ page.

9 Jul 2002, 23:25

Originally posted by Graeme Isn't Barney just called Barney because it's a shortened/informal version of Bernard? Or am I missing something somewhere? Certainly, a good question to answer re: Barney's name(s) might be why he keeps changing his surname, and why he chooses the alternatives he does...

I remember reading somewhere that Bernard kept changing his surname because of his mom's marital status or something similar. Like Dicken was his dad's last name but he wasn't around so he changed it to Albrecht because his mom got remarried and changed it to Sumner because this was his mom's maiden name and he didn't like his stepfather. this is all fuzzy memory so the details probably aren't right (and I don't remember where i saw this to check or even have my NO books on hand) but the basic gist is what I remember reading. Quite sad actually, changing your name because you don't feel comfortable with what it represents. I can identify.

I'm sure somebody can confirm or deny this. There are tons of people here who know so much more than me.

EN

9 Jul 2002, 23:39

I don't know if this question was asked before but I certainly want to know the answer:

"What album/s did 'Don't Do it' come out on?"

If anybody knows, please let me know. I've been looking for a CD with this song for years.

10 Jul 2002, 00:30

Originally posted by Ritchie Morales I don't know if this question was asked before but I certainly want to know the answer:"What album/s did 'Don't Do it' come out on?"If anybody knows, please let me know. I've been looking for a CD with this song for years.

"Don't do it" was not on any album, it was the b-side to "Fine Time", the first single from 'Technique'. Hopefully it will turn up on the upcoming "Recycle" compilation if they do a b-sides disc. Damn fine tune, that one! CTB :cool:

10 Jul 2002, 03:00

Originally posted by Iain Curtis > Originally posted by Graeme> Isn't Barney just called Barney because it's a shortened/informal version of Bernard? Or am I missing something somewhere? > > Certainly, a good question to answer re: Barney's name(s) might be why he keeps changing his surname, and why he chooses the alternatives he does...

I remember reading somewhere that Bernard kept changing his surname because of his mom's marital status or something similar. Like Dicken was his dad's last name but he wasn't around so he changed it to Albrecht because his mom got remarried and changed it to Sumner because this was his mom's maiden name and he didn't like his stepfather. this is all fuzzy memory so the details probably aren't right (and I don't remember where i saw this to check or even have my NO books on hand) but the basic gist is what I remember reading. Quite sad actually, changing your name because you don't feel comfortable with what it represents. I can identify.

I'm sure somebody can confirm or deny this. There are tons of people here who know so much more than me.

EN

And he chose "Albrecht" because it was the manufacturer of a copying machine he used when he worked at Cosgrove Hall Animation!

10 Jul 2002, 04:27

Originally posted by ed verrilla Brotherhoods cover is a picture of a bar of zinc.those are the serial numbersam i correct or what?

Yes you are! Just for a laugh, I'll tell you this: on my younger years I spent AGES trying to find out the profound, metaphysical meaning of those fucking numbers... until I read in a magazine (who quoted Saville, so it was "canon") that it was just a piece of metal he found in a scrapyard! God, how I felt cheated! As for the "barney" thing, it was indeed a childhood nickname. Another FAQ then: was "Here to stay" designed by Saville? Absurd question? Well, there's no "art direction by Peter Saville, designed by Howard Wakefield" line in it...

10 Jul 2002, 04:28

Originally posted by Rodrigo Gaze i always wondered what happened in 1963 for them to do that music... (sorry for my english)

It was the year JFK got murdered

10 Jul 2002, 04:51

Originally posted by Rodrigo Gaze Does the numbers 5-8-6 have any meaning????

Yes, it's simply a short form for "Five ate Six" :D

10 Jul 2002, 04:53

Originally posted by Grand Master B No, really. Bernard was called Barney because he looked like Barney Rubble! I read this several times in the past! Long timers will be able to confirm this (where is Al Jarvis when you need him? ).

I'd always assumed Barney was just short for Bernard. Although I do have a friend called Stuart who's also nicknamed Barney so, er, go figure?!

Now, what I've always wondered is ... why is Peter Hook nicknamed 'Hooky'? :scratch:

10 Jul 2002, 05:14

Originally posted by Marco Pleil > Originally posted by Rodrigo Gaze> Does the numbers 5-8-6 have any meaning????

Yes, it's simply a short form for "Five ate Six" :D

Marco!!! :nono:

It's to do with the structure of Ecstacy (the song, not the drug).....five bars followed by eight bars followed by six bars.

10 Jul 2002, 09:19

Originally posted by Al Jarvis > Originally posted by Grand Master B> No, really. Bernard was called Barney because he looked like Barney Rubble! I read this several times in the past! Long timers will be able to confirm this (where is Al Jarvis when you need him? ).>

I'd always assumed Barney was just short for Bernard. Although I do have a friend called Stuart who's also nicknamed Barney so, er, go figure?!

Now, what I've always wondered is ... why is Peter Hook nicknamed 'Hooky'? :scratch:

It's better than C'ptain Hook isn't it? :D

Do Gillian and Stephen have nicknames?

10 Jul 2002, 10:33

The Other Two.........obviously :lol:

10 Jul 2002, 11:46

Originally posted by Iain Curtis > Originally posted by Graeme> Isn't Barney just called Barney because it's a shortened/informal version of Bernard? Or am I missing something somewhere? > > Certainly, a good question to answer re: Barney's name(s) might be why he keeps changing his surname, and why he chooses the alternatives he does...

I remember reading somewhere that Bernard kept changing his surname because of his mom's marital status or something similar. Like Dicken was his dad's last name but he wasn't around so he changed it to Albrecht because his mom got remarried and changed it to Sumner because this was his mom's maiden name and he didn't like his stepfather. this is all fuzzy memory so the details probably aren't right (and I don't remember where i saw this to check or even have my NO books on hand) but the basic gist is what I remember reading. Quite sad actually, changing your name because you don't feel comfortable with what it represents. I can identify.

I'm sure somebody can confirm or deny this. There are tons of people here who know so much more than me.

EN

i don't think we will ever know for sure why barney changed his last name...every time someone asked him he said it was private and he would not say. though the above explanation makes the most sense, knowing what he has revealed about his childhood. i don't think we should answer the question until we hear it straight from the horse's mouth. we don't wanna start rumours ya know. ;)

10 Jul 2002, 11:54

5 8 6 is the bar structure

peter saville did design here to stay note the little red bar. also, here's a question for you: What record was Ian Curtis listening to when he hanged himself? What film was he watching before he hanged himself? And the BIG question:

On the cd Movement, you will notice that they keep mentioning "The Him". Who is "The Him"?

If you know, post the answer and I will confirm.

Also, Tony Wilson used to run this record company called Factory Records out of Manchester England.He did not think much about the future,even though one of the factory bands wrote a song about it~~!

10 Jul 2002, 12:00

Originally posted by ed verrilla What record was Ian Curtis listening to when he hanged himself? What film was he watching before he hanged himself? And the BIG question:On the cd Movement, you will notice that they keep mentioning "The Him". Who is "The Him"?If you know, post the answer and I will confirm.Also, Tony Wilson used to run this record company calledFactory Records out of Manchester England.He did not think much about the future,even though one of the factory bands wrote a song about it~~!

Werner Herzog's Stroszek, Iggy Pop's The Idiot . .. but f'knows who 'The Him' is? Never actually knew it was genuinely s'posed to be anyone?

Think About The Future? You're not referring to the Mondays here are you, cos I thought it was just Oakenfold who added the line himself cos he thought it fitted in with the close of the track?

10 Jul 2002, 12:41

Originally posted by Old Blue > Originally posted by Marco Pleil> > > > Originally posted by Rodrigo Gaze> > Does the numbers 5-8-6 have any meaning????>

Yes, it's simply a short form for "Five ate Six" :D

Marco!!! :nono:

It's to do with the structure of Ecstacy (the song, not the drug).....five bars followed by eight bars followed by six bars.

Ooooooops...alright, shame on me ;)

10 Jul 2002, 14:44

From what I have been told: The Him is Ian Curtis!

ICB Ian Curtis Buried

Also, has any one here ever been to Factory New York when it was open? I was there. I bought stuff, lots of it dirt cheap.. It was on Spring Street in SoHo in NYC what a bizzarre placecomplete with a Peter Saville painting.

10 Jul 2002, 21:47

Peter Saville has been "art director" on pretty much all of the bands releases but he did NOT always actually design the covers - Gillian designed one - his then girlfriend Martha Ladly (as in "Martha & the Muffins" designed another, Brett WIckens and one of the Dutch boys at P.S.A. were responsible for alot of 80's to 1990 stuff including an unbelievable number of ideas for "World in Motion" - one notably ditched proposal for the World Cup theme was a blow up banana which was a reference to the crowd inflatables fad at the time. At this time Trevor Key was responsible for much of the bands photographic needs including the covers for PFD* and " the Low Life" portraits.

More recently, Peter actually considered taking his name OFF the "Get Ready" designs after Barney decided he wanted the "signature" motif on the album artwork - I'm reliably informed that all of 5 minutes was spent "designing" that "logo".

As for Shugs query about instruments; we all know what they play and to be honest, their equipment changes regularly - with the exception of "favourite" guitars and the like. The amount of redundant keyboard & sequencer technology the band have gone through must be astronomical!

Bernard WAS referred to as looking like Barney Rubble from The Flintstones but to be honest, nost Bernards in the UK end up being called "Barney" anyway so who knows?

You can never have too much info in a F.A.Q. list.

11 Jul 2002, 04:23

Originally posted by Jonathan S. Peter Saville has been "art director" on pretty much all of the bands releases but he did NOT always actually design the covers

We all now that (I think...)! Nowadays it's Howard Wakefield the designer, ie the guy who comes up with the fonts & typo for the sleeves. Saville's "art director" role must mean he just tosses out some general ideas, ending up with his work messed over by the bands he works with (remember Suede's "Headmusic"? Another singer's handwriting on the cover...and another "I'll get my name out if you insist on putting your 6-year old handwriting in it". We have a recurring theme here. A work for all you amateur shrinks out there!). But coming back to "Here to stay", I know there's a red bar on the cover (I wear glasses, but I'm not that blind...) but if you compare it to the other "Get ready" era sleeves, you'll notice that the "Here" bar as a different size to the others and is placed on a sligthly different place in the sleeve. Try it, and you'll notice that it looks like a rip-off!

11 Jul 2002, 17:00

Not forgetting of course:

The name of the guy (journalist?) whose voice was sampled right at the beginning of the track "This Time Of Night" ("I'm one of the few people who lives what's called the Low Life") thus giving the album its name and what subsequently happened when he took objection to the band using this snippet. :nod:

By the way - who WAS this guy? His name escapes me again! ;)

:cool2: :cool2:

12 Jul 2002, 02:38

what´s MTO mean? Much Too Old? it´s because Fine Time was originally called Much Too Young? I think that´s the answer :skeptic:

12 Jul 2002, 03:12

Originally posted by Hubert Mickle Not forgetting of course:The name of the guy (journalist?) whose voice was sampled right at the beginning of the track "This Time Of Night" ("I'm one of the few people who lives what's called the Low Life") thus giving the album its name and what subsequently happened when he took objection to the band using this snippet. By the way - who WAS this guy? His name escapes me again! ;)

Jeffery Bernard, a journalist with Spectator Magazine. He tried to get the sample removed, but I gather if it's not on your copy, just turn the volume up and you can still hear it.

12 Jul 2002, 05:33

It's not really New Order, but a Joy Division question. In the Ideal For Living book, Mark Johnson says that the Sordide Sentimentale release of Dead Souls and Atmosphere was limited to a certain number (can't remember it off the top of my head) as this was "significant" - why?!!!

12 Jul 2002, 13:29

why do all the new order singles end with a factory number of 3? i ask you this~!

example

fac73 is blue monday fac 93 is confusion

yo go on now.........................

12 Jul 2002, 16:12

Originally posted by Steve Waller It's not really New Order, but a Joy Division question. In the Ideal For Living book, Mark Johnson says that the Sordide Sentimentale release of Dead Souls and Atmosphere was limited to a certain number (can't remember it off the top of my head) as this was "significant" - why?!!!

Well, it was limited to 1578. Something significant happened in 1578, can't remember what.....but it's something to do with all that blurb on the sleeve. :shrug:

12 Jul 2002, 16:22

It's not really New Order, but a Joy Division question. In the Ideal For Living book, Mark Johnson says that the Sordide Sentimentale release of Dead Souls and Atmosphere was limited to a certain number (can't remember it off the top of my head) as this was "significant" - why?!!!

I'm not sure on this as I've never read it in a JD/Norder article, but the number of French Resistance killed during WWII rings a bell, possibly not this link but I think there is a JD link there somewhere.

12 Jul 2002, 17:45

Originally posted by ed verrilla why do all the new order singles end with a factory number of 3? i ask you this~!examplefac73 is blue mondayfac 93 is confusionyo go on now.........................

According to Tony Wilson it was something that just happened. "Transmission", the first Joy Division single, was FAC 13. The second one was "Love Will Tear Us Apart" and it was FAC 23. They went something like "this is cool, all Joy Division/New Order singles could be ended by a number 3". So "Ceremony" was FAC 33, "Processsion" was FAC 53 (not FAC 43, nothing is so perfect), "Temptation" was FAC 63, and so on.

All Joy Division/New Order albums have also "important" numbers like FACT 10 (Unknown Pleasures), FACT 25 (Closer), FACT 50 (Movement), FACT 75 (Power, Corruption & Lies), FACT 100 (Low Life), FACT 150 (Brotherhood), FACT 200 (New Order Substance), FACT 250 (Joy Division Substance), FACT 275 (Technique) and FACT 300 (reserved for Republic but it wasn't released by Factory).

All Durutti Column albums and singles end with a number 4 and the number 1 was reserved mostly for big ideas, like The Haçienda (FAC 51), the G-Mex Festival of the 10th Summer of punk (FAC 151) and Dry bar (FAC 201). Maybe the Haçienda cat (FAC 191) was a big idea too.

I really love this Factory numerology. :D

13 Jul 2002, 15:17

Okay guys, I've been absent for a while, due to absent mindedly trashing my pc, :smokin: but here are a few questions - I know the answers to most, as people often ask me, but would be interested to see other people's views.

Here goes:

1.Which Joy Division songs have New Order played live (complete list)?

2.How many different sleeves (colours/textures) were available for the album 'Still'

3.What is the name of the painting on PCL sleeve - artist & title?

4.On Confusion, what is WRL?

5.Which vocalists have 'guested' on New Order live appearances?

6.How many OFFICIAL N.O./J.D. video/DVD releases have there been and what are they?

7.Where can I find a comprehensive list of available N.O./J.D. bootlegs on cassette/vinyl/CD/video/DVD?

8.Is there a website where I can download N.O./J.D. audio and/or video, including live stuff?

9.Where can I buy/sell/trade N.O./J.D. items? (come on, we ALL know that one!)

10.Which bands have supported New Order and which bands have New Order supported?

Well, there's ten questions - I'm presuming that the idea is to build an FAQ section for people who are fairly new to the bands - then again, I may be wrong, but I haven't had the chance to speak to Seb or Nicolas recently, for the reason mentioned above.

Oh yeah, due to the same, my girlfriend now calls me 'Doofus'. What is 'Doofus'??? (not for the FAQ).

(To be said in a Grampa Simpson voice): Ohh, I'm soooo old... :toothless: but I can still rock like a b*****d. :guitar:

14 Jul 2002, 23:23

Good questions, would need some research to get all that.

Here is mine, it's more a trivia, but well, anyone can find it if they want.

What's the first single New Order released in America?

Happy searching... :wink:

14 Jul 2002, 23:30

1.Which Joy Division songs have New Order played live (complete list)?

Atmosphere Isolation Love Will Tear Us Apart Digital Decades Transmission She's Lost Control Heart & Soul New Dawn Fades .. too lazy to check for the rest.

2.How many different sleeves (colours/textures) were available for the album 'Still'

3.What is the name of the painting on PCL sleeve - artist & title?

Would be nice to add "which graves is on the Love Will Tear Us Apart artwork" and what is also the painting on Closer...

4.On Confusion, what is WRL?

WWWRL is the callsign of a NYC radio station...

5.Which vocalists have 'guested' on New Order live appearances?

Billy Corgan Bobby Gillespie Moby The guy from Echo & The Bunnymen (sorry!!)

6.How many OFFICIAL N.O./J.D. video/DVD releases have there been and what are they?

Yes yes, this is a thing to be done on the site.. the videography...

7.Where can I find a comprehensive list of available N.O./J.D. bootlegs on cassette/vinyl/CD/video/DVD?

Same thing, we have gathered a LOT of information we didn't put on the site yet...

8.Is there a website where I can download N.O./J.D. audio and/or video, including live stuff?

Actually no, there is, but they don't last, the only one that lasts is NOL.

9.Where can I buy/sell/trade N.O./J.D. items? (come on, we ALL know that one!)

In the forum!! :wink:

10.Which bands have supported New Order and which bands have New Order supported?

That would be a mess to find all that, there were so many bands!!

15 Jul 2002, 06:28

PCL cover: "Roses" by french painter Fantin-Latour. Mister Webmaster Sir: "painting on the cover of Closer"? What "painting"? It´s a Pierre-Bernard Wolf picture of an italian tombstone, just like the "LWTUA" cover!

15 Jul 2002, 10:19

Originally posted by JORGE TEIXEIRA > Originally posted by Rodrigo Gaze> i always wondered what happened in 1963 for them to do that music... (sorry for my english)

It was the year JFK got murdered

This is actually a New Order fallacy. A close listen to the lyrics of 1963 reveal a story told from the point of view of a murdered wife ("Johnny, don't point that gun at me"), recalling how her husband murdered her, then replaced her with a new spouse ("And though he was ashamed that he had took a life, Johnny came home with another wife"). There was an online interview at around the time 'Get Ready' came out when a fan asked what this song is about, and that was the answer Barney gave. The trouble is, as it mentions 1963, a murder and someone called John, it's nearl always assumed it's about JFK, but isn't when you consider the story of the lyrics (JFK never shot anyone, and his wife never got shot, and least of all, he never remarried - being dead, after all). 1963 is just a coincidence.

Regards, Andrew Morrison Email: morriso@btinternet.com ICQ No. 52250781 Website: http://www.TrustNoOne.org.uk

15 Jul 2002, 10:50

You are indeed right on that one, Andrew pal! But I'm right too, you know? The fact that they called the song "1963" does not, indeed, mean that it's based on the Kennedy assassination, and I didn't meant it that way when I posted my answer. The song has that name because, as we all know, the first verse says "It was January, 1963"... I just assumed the question posted referred to some historical event that inspired Barney to place the story depicted in the song in that particular year. In that sense, my answer is correct and I stick to it!

16 Jul 2002, 21:00

Originally posted by Spotnick > Originally posted by Al Jarvis > Originally posted by Grand Master B> No, really. Bernard was called Barney because he looked like Barney Rubble! I read this several times in the past! Long timers will be able to confirm this (where is Al Jarvis when you need him? ).>

I'd always assumed Barney was just short for Bernard. Although I do have a friend called Stuart who's also nicknamed Barney so, er, go figure?!

Now, what I've always wondered is ... why is Peter Hook nicknamed 'Hooky'? :scratch:

It's better than C'ptain Hook isn't it? :D

Do Gillian and Stephen have nicknames?

23 Jul 2002, 10:58

Question:

New Order (or Factory) hired a public relation firm to select the first single off Technique. After hearing the verdict, New Order fired them and said they knew nothing about music, and decided to release Fine Time. What is the track that firm wanted them to release as first single off Technique?

Good luck!

23 Jul 2002, 11:13

Originally posted by Spotnick Question:New Order (or Factory) hired a public relation firm to select the first single off Technique. After hearing the verdict, New Order fired them and said they knew nothing about music, and decided to release Fine Time. What is the track that firm wanted them to release as first single off Technique?

Good luck!

Vanishing Point. Says a lot about New Order if they thought people who disagreed with them knew nothing about music, when the "not worthy" product was something they were selling !!

23 Jul 2002, 13:39

I didn't remember the answer to that question, so if you confirm that it's Vanishing Point, then you should ask a question...!

23 Jul 2002, 13:56

Originally posted by FourFortyFive Peter Saville has been "art director" on pretty much all of the bands releases but he did NOT always actually design the covers - Gillian designed one - his then girlfriend Martha Ladly (as in "Martha & the Muffins" designed another, Brett WIckens and one of the Dutch boys at P.S.A. were responsible for alot of 80's to 1990 stuff including an unbelievable number of ideas for "World in Motion" - one notably ditched proposal for the World Cup theme was a blow up banana which was a reference to the crowd inflatables fad at the time. At this time Trevor Key was responsible for much of the bands photographic needs including the covers for PFD* and " the Low Life" portraits.More recently, Peter actually considered taking his name OFF the "Get Ready" designs after Barney decided he wanted the "signature" motif on the album artwork - I'm reliably informed that all of 5 minutes was spent "designing" that "logo".As for Shugs query about instruments; we all know what they play and to be honest, their equipment changes regularly - with the exception of "favourite" guitars and the like. The amount of redundant keyboard & sequencer technology the band have gone through must be astronomical!Bernard WAS referred to as looking like Barney Rubble from The Flintstones but to be honest, nost Bernards in the UK end up being called "Barney" anyway so who knows?You can never have too much info in a F.A.Q. list.

Which sleeve was designed by Gillian?

23 Jul 2002, 14:48

Sub-Culture!

Ha!

23 Jul 2002, 15:13

Originally posted by Spotnick I didn't remember the answer to that question, so if you confirm that it's Vanishing Point, then you should ask a question...!

Do I have to ? I'm quite happy to answer any if I can, but there isn't really that many questions I want the answers to (not that I know it all, you understand, because I clearly don't :))