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Originally posted by Old Blue > Originally posted by Marco Pleil> > > > Originally posted by Rodrigo Gaze> > Does the numbers 5-8-6 have any meaning????>
Yes, it's simply a short form for "Five ate Six" :D
Marco!!! 
It's to do with the structure of Ecstacy (the song, not the drug).....five bars followed by eight bars followed by six bars.
Ooooooops...alright, shame on me ;)
From what I have been told: The Him is Ian Curtis!
ICB Ian Curtis Buried
Also, has any one here ever been to Factory New York when it was open? I was there. I bought stuff, lots of it dirt cheap.. It was on Spring Street in SoHo in NYC what a bizzarre placecomplete with a Peter Saville painting.
Peter Saville has been "art director" on pretty much all of the bands releases but he did NOT always actually design the covers - Gillian designed one - his then girlfriend Martha Ladly (as in "Martha & the Muffins" designed another, Brett WIckens and one of the Dutch boys at P.S.A. were responsible for alot of 80's to 1990 stuff including an unbelievable number of ideas for "World in Motion" - one notably ditched proposal for the World Cup theme was a blow up banana which was a reference to the crowd inflatables fad at the time. At this time Trevor Key was responsible for much of the bands photographic needs including the covers for PFD* and " the Low Life" portraits.
More recently, Peter actually considered taking his name OFF the "Get Ready" designs after Barney decided he wanted the "signature" motif on the album artwork - I'm reliably informed that all of 5 minutes was spent "designing" that "logo".
As for Shugs query about instruments; we all know what they play and to be honest, their equipment changes regularly - with the exception of "favourite" guitars and the like. The amount of redundant keyboard & sequencer technology the band have gone through must be astronomical!
Bernard WAS referred to as looking like Barney Rubble from The Flintstones but to be honest, nost Bernards in the UK end up being called "Barney" anyway so who knows?
You can never have too much info in a F.A.Q. list.
Originally posted by Jonathan S. Peter Saville has been "art director" on pretty much all of the bands releases but he did NOT always actually design the covers
We all now that (I think...)! Nowadays it's Howard Wakefield the designer, ie the guy who comes up with the fonts & typo for the sleeves. Saville's "art director" role must mean he just tosses out some general ideas, ending up with his work messed over by the bands he works with (remember Suede's "Headmusic"? Another singer's handwriting on the cover...and another "I'll get my name out if you insist on putting your 6-year old handwriting in it". We have a recurring theme here. A work for all you amateur shrinks out there!). But coming back to "Here to stay", I know there's a red bar on the cover (I wear glasses, but I'm not that blind...) but if you compare it to the other "Get ready" era sleeves, you'll notice that the "Here" bar as a different size to the others and is placed on a sligthly different place in the sleeve. Try it, and you'll notice that it looks like a rip-off!
Not forgetting of course:
The name of the guy (journalist?) whose voice was sampled right at the beginning of the track "This Time Of Night" ("I'm one of the few people who lives what's called the Low Life") thus giving the album its name and what subsequently happened when he took objection to the band using this snippet. 
By the way - who WAS this guy? His name escapes me again! ;)
what´s MTO mean? Much Too Old? it´s because Fine Time was originally called Much Too Young?
I think that´s the answer 
Originally posted by Hubert Mickle Not forgetting of course:The name of the guy (journalist?) whose voice was sampled right at the beginning of the track "This Time Of Night" ("I'm one of the few people who lives what's called the Low Life") thus giving the album its name and what subsequently happened when he took objection to the band using this snippet.
Jeffery Bernard, a journalist with Spectator Magazine. He tried to get the sample removed, but I gather if it's not on your copy, just turn the volume up and you can still hear it.
It's not really New Order, but a Joy Division question. In the Ideal For Living book, Mark Johnson says that the Sordide Sentimentale release of Dead Souls and Atmosphere was limited to a certain number (can't remember it off the top of my head) as this was "significant" - why?!!!
why do all the new order singles end with a factory number of 3? i ask you this~!
example
fac73 is blue monday fac 93 is confusion
yo go on now.........................
Originally posted by Steve Waller It's not really New Order, but a Joy Division question. In the Ideal For Living book, Mark Johnson says that the Sordide Sentimentale release of Dead Souls and Atmosphere was limited to a certain number (can't remember it off the top of my head) as this was "significant" - why?!!!
Well, it was limited to 1578. Something significant happened in 1578, can't remember what.....but it's something to do with all that blurb on the sleeve. 
It's not really New Order, but a Joy Division question. In the Ideal For Living book, Mark Johnson says that the Sordide Sentimentale release of Dead Souls and Atmosphere was limited to a certain number (can't remember it off the top of my head) as this was "significant" - why?!!!
I'm not sure on this as I've never read it in a JD/Norder article, but the number of French Resistance killed during WWII rings a bell, possibly not this link but I think there is a JD link there somewhere.
Originally posted by ed verrilla why do all the new order singles end with a factory number of 3? i ask you this~!examplefac73 is blue mondayfac 93 is confusionyo go on now.........................
According to Tony Wilson it was something that just happened. "Transmission", the first Joy Division single, was FAC 13. The second one was "Love Will Tear Us Apart" and it was FAC 23. They went something like "this is cool, all Joy Division/New Order singles could be ended by a number 3". So "Ceremony" was FAC 33, "Processsion" was FAC 53 (not FAC 43, nothing is so perfect), "Temptation" was FAC 63, and so on.
All Joy Division/New Order albums have also "important" numbers like FACT 10 (Unknown Pleasures), FACT 25 (Closer), FACT 50 (Movement), FACT 75 (Power, Corruption & Lies), FACT 100 (Low Life), FACT 150 (Brotherhood), FACT 200 (New Order Substance), FACT 250 (Joy Division Substance), FACT 275 (Technique) and FACT 300 (reserved for Republic but it wasn't released by Factory).
All Durutti Column albums and singles end with a number 4 and the number 1 was reserved mostly for big ideas, like The Haçienda (FAC 51), the G-Mex Festival of the 10th Summer of punk (FAC 151) and Dry bar (FAC 201). Maybe the Haçienda cat (FAC 191) was a big idea too.
I really love this Factory numerology. :D
Okay guys, I've been absent for a while, due to absent mindedly trashing my pc, 
but here are a few questions - I know the answers to most, as people often ask me, but would be interested to see other people's views.
Here goes:
1.Which Joy Division songs have New Order played live (complete list)?
2.How many different sleeves (colours/textures) were available for the album 'Still'
3.What is the name of the painting on PCL sleeve - artist & title?
4.On Confusion, what is WRL?
5.Which vocalists have 'guested' on New Order live appearances?
6.How many OFFICIAL N.O./J.D. video/DVD releases have there been and what are they?
7.Where can I find a comprehensive list of available N.O./J.D. bootlegs on cassette/vinyl/CD/video/DVD?
8.Is there a website where I can download N.O./J.D. audio and/or video, including live stuff?
9.Where can I buy/sell/trade N.O./J.D. items? (come on, we ALL know that one!)
10.Which bands have supported New Order and which bands have New Order supported?
Well, there's ten questions - I'm presuming that the idea is to build an FAQ section for people who are fairly new to the bands - then again, I may be wrong, but I haven't had the chance to speak to Seb or Nicolas recently, for the reason mentioned above.
Oh yeah, due to the same, my girlfriend now calls me 'Doofus'. What is 'Doofus'??? (not for the FAQ).
(To be said in a Grampa Simpson voice): Ohh, I'm soooo old... 
but I can still rock like a b*****d. 
Good questions, would need some research to get all that.
Here is mine, it's more a trivia, but well, anyone can find it if they want.
What's the first single New Order released in America?
Happy searching... 
1.Which Joy Division songs have New Order played live (complete list)?
Atmosphere Isolation Love Will Tear Us Apart Digital Decades Transmission She's Lost Control Heart & Soul New Dawn Fades .. too lazy to check for the rest.
2.How many different sleeves (colours/textures) were available for the album 'Still'
3.What is the name of the painting on PCL sleeve - artist & title?
Would be nice to add "which graves is on the Love Will Tear Us Apart artwork" and what is also the painting on Closer...
4.On Confusion, what is WRL?
WWWRL is the callsign of a NYC radio station...
5.Which vocalists have 'guested' on New Order live appearances?
Billy Corgan Bobby Gillespie Moby The guy from Echo & The Bunnymen (sorry!!)
6.How many OFFICIAL N.O./J.D. video/DVD releases have there been and what are they?
Yes yes, this is a thing to be done on the site.. the videography...
7.Where can I find a comprehensive list of available N.O./J.D. bootlegs on cassette/vinyl/CD/video/DVD?
Same thing, we have gathered a LOT of information we didn't put on the site yet...
8.Is there a website where I can download N.O./J.D. audio and/or video, including live stuff?
Actually no, there is, but they don't last, the only one that lasts is NOL.
9.Where can I buy/sell/trade N.O./J.D. items? (come on, we ALL know that one!)
In the forum!!
10.Which bands have supported New Order and which bands have New Order supported?
That would be a mess to find all that, there were so many bands!!
PCL cover: "Roses" by french painter Fantin-Latour. Mister Webmaster Sir: "painting on the cover of Closer"? What "painting"? It´s a Pierre-Bernard Wolf picture of an italian tombstone, just like the "LWTUA" cover!
Originally posted by JORGE TEIXEIRA > Originally posted by Rodrigo Gaze> i always wondered what happened in 1963 for them to do that music... (sorry for my english)
It was the year JFK got murdered
This is actually a New Order fallacy. A close listen to the lyrics of 1963 reveal a story told from the point of view of a murdered wife ("Johnny, don't point that gun at me"), recalling how her husband murdered her, then replaced her with a new spouse ("And though he was ashamed that he had took a life, Johnny came home with another wife"). There was an online interview at around the time 'Get Ready' came out when a fan asked what this song is about, and that was the answer Barney gave. The trouble is, as it mentions 1963, a murder and someone called John, it's nearl always assumed it's about JFK, but isn't when you consider the story of the lyrics (JFK never shot anyone, and his wife never got shot, and least of all, he never remarried - being dead, after all). 1963 is just a coincidence.
Regards, Andrew Morrison Email: morriso@btinternet.com ICQ No. 52250781 Website: http://www.TrustNoOne.org.uk
You are indeed right on that one, Andrew pal! But I'm right too, you know? The fact that they called the song "1963" does not, indeed, mean that it's based on the Kennedy assassination, and I didn't meant it that way when I posted my answer. The song has that name because, as we all know, the first verse says "It was January, 1963"... I just assumed the question posted referred to some historical event that inspired Barney to place the story depicted in the song in that particular year. In that sense, my answer is correct and I stick to it!
Originally posted by Spotnick > Originally posted by Al Jarvis > Originally posted by Grand Master B> No, really. Bernard was called Barney because he looked like Barney Rubble! I read this several times in the past! Long timers will be able to confirm this (where is Al Jarvis when you need him? ).>
I'd always assumed Barney was just short for Bernard. Although I do have a friend called Stuart who's also nicknamed Barney so, er, go figure?!
Now, what I've always wondered is ... why is Peter Hook nicknamed 'Hooky'? 
It's better than C'ptain Hook isn't it? :D
Do Gillian and Stephen have nicknames?
Question:
New Order (or Factory) hired a public relation firm to select the first single off Technique. After hearing the verdict, New Order fired them and said they knew nothing about music, and decided to release Fine Time. What is the track that firm wanted them to release as first single off Technique?
Good luck!
Originally posted by Spotnick Question:New Order (or Factory) hired a public relation firm to select the first single off Technique. After hearing the verdict, New Order fired them and said they knew nothing about music, and decided to release Fine Time. What is the track that firm wanted them to release as first single off Technique?
Good luck!
Vanishing Point. Says a lot about New Order if they thought people who disagreed with them knew nothing about music, when the "not worthy" product was something they were selling !!
I didn't remember the answer to that question, so if you confirm that it's Vanishing Point, then you should ask a question...!
Originally posted by FourFortyFive Peter Saville has been "art director" on pretty much all of the bands releases but he did NOT always actually design the covers - Gillian designed one - his then girlfriend Martha Ladly (as in "Martha & the Muffins" designed another, Brett WIckens and one of the Dutch boys at P.S.A. were responsible for alot of 80's to 1990 stuff including an unbelievable number of ideas for "World in Motion" - one notably ditched proposal for the World Cup theme was a blow up banana which was a reference to the crowd inflatables fad at the time. At this time Trevor Key was responsible for much of the bands photographic needs including the covers for PFD* and " the Low Life" portraits.More recently, Peter actually considered taking his name OFF the "Get Ready" designs after Barney decided he wanted the "signature" motif on the album artwork - I'm reliably informed that all of 5 minutes was spent "designing" that "logo".As for Shugs query about instruments; we all know what they play and to be honest, their equipment changes regularly - with the exception of "favourite" guitars and the like. The amount of redundant keyboard & sequencer technology the band have gone through must be astronomical!Bernard WAS referred to as looking like Barney Rubble from The Flintstones but to be honest, nost Bernards in the UK end up being called "Barney" anyway so who knows?You can never have too much info in a F.A.Q. list.
Which sleeve was designed by Gillian?
Originally posted by Spotnick I didn't remember the answer to that question, so if you confirm that it's Vanishing Point, then you should ask a question...!
Do I have to ? I'm quite happy to answer any if I can, but there isn't really that many questions I want the answers to (not that I know it all, you understand, because I clearly don't :))
