Warners statement

Found this on the Cerysmatic site:-

"Warner Bros. UK, Rhino and New Order regret that the initial pressings of the Collector Editions of "Movement", "Power, Corruption & Lies", "Low-Life", "Brotherhood" and "Technique" contain some minor audio problems on the bonus discs. We are now in the process of correcting the problems, but it should be noted that due to the age and condition of some of the original source tapes, the sound quality may vary. A further statement will be issued once the corrected product is available. At that time, the procedure for exchanging CD's will be announced. Thank you for your patience while we resolve this situation."

....I like it "minor audio problems" !

Wear EAr protection! Fac off

Bloomin' hell, it's taken them how long to issue that?

Adam Tate wrote: Found this on the Cerysmatic site:-

"Warner Bros. UK, Rhino and New Order regret that the initial pressings of the Collector Editions of "Movement", "Power, Corruption & Lies", "Low-Life", "Brotherhood" and "Technique" contain some minor audio problems on the bonus discs. We are now in the process of correcting the problems, but it should be noted that due to the age and condition of some of the original source tapes, the sound quality may vary. A further statement will be issued once the corrected product is available. At that time, the procedure for exchanging CD's will be announced. Thank you for your patience while we resolve this situation."

....I like it "minor audio problems" !

LOL:

Admission? Warners: Remastering stinky 20 year old tapes is a scam, sorry.

I'll be surprised if this actually happens

Any chance of them changing the track listing while they're at it..?

ShugZV wrote: Obviously they work on the same time scale as Factory.

We should be flattered.

We wouldn't want it any other way, and i'm still waiting on some anniversary edition of Blue Monday. Oh, with channel dropout please.

An acknowledgment is better than nothing, and I am pleased to hear that something will be done about it. I'm holding off on buying the Rhino US versions until I know for sure I am going to be able to buy the corrected ones... no doubt after the audiophiles on this board have a go and certify it with charts of course.

Made an Aussie music news site today:

Undercover.com.au

Thank you NO and Warners!!!!

I shall continue to hold fire on these. How will we know that the corrected versions have hit the shops and why are they still selling faulty copies?

It's concerning they don't mention the audio issues on the albums themselves or fixing them. ONLY the bonus discs. :\ohwell:

Don't worry, they're looking into all of it

I got an email this afternoon:

Thank you for your email.

Warner Bros. UK, Rhino and New Order regret that the initial pressings of the Collector Editions of "Movement", "Power, Corruption & Lies", "Low-Life", "Brotherhood" and "Technique" contain some minor audio problems on the bonus discs. We are now in the process of correcting the problems, but it should be noted that due to the age and condition of some of the original source tapes, the sound quality may vary. A further statement will be issued once the corrected product is available. At that time, the procedure for exchanging CDs will be announced.

Thank you for your patience while we resolve this situation.

I hope they WILL fix this in the new year ... but I didn't understand the 'minor' statement also They will look at the album-CD's also from what I understand lately.

One Brain wrote:

M1 wrote: Made an Aussie music news site today:

Undercover.com.au

It's also in some other news sites:

Guardian: New Order recall poor quality reissues Billboard: New Order Reissues Plagued With Sound Problems Prefixmag: New Order reissues have sound defects, track list problems

Rhino in the US knew about the problems and went ahead with the release anyways. Very cynical move.

Anyway, if they make good on their pledge to set things straight that'll be ok in my books and they'll likely make some more money off me.

greeneyes1 wrote:

One Brain wrote:

M1 wrote: Made an Aussie music news site today:

Undercover.com.au

It's also in some other news sites:

Guardian: New Order recall poor quality reissues Billboard: New Order Reissues Plagued With Sound Problems Prefixmag: New Order reissues have sound defects, track list problems

Rhino in the US knew about the problems and went ahead with the release anyways. Very cynical move.

Anyway, if they make good on their pledge to set things straight that'll be ok in my books and they'll likely make some more money off me.

I'm sure they'll get right on that....

Thank you, Warners

Good news, I'll certainly buy the re-re-releases now (or should I say soon) :)

Alan William Henery wrote: Good news, I'll certainly buy the re-re-releases now (or should I say soon) :)

just wait for the re-re-release

just bought 2 ("PCL & "Brotherhood") of the four remasters, but after reading warner acknowledgment statement, i went to return these damn thing . i will wait for the re-re-releases myself.

meanwhile, i'll just listen to the original pressings.

have these had an Australian release yet ??

Thanks Warner boys! I'll be waiting for the fixed edition!!

Is it just me, or am I the only one (American) one who hasn't found the remasters that terrible? Keep in mind, I've played PCL & Technique Bonus Discs in my Hyundai Elantra's stereo, & haven't tried $150+ headphones, so what do I know?\

I've asked for the remaining 3 for Xmas, so hopefully by then Rhino(plasty) will have sorted the issue & I can do a simple same-for-swap at Best Buy (not holding my breath though).

Or "Round & Round" on Technique - not as glaringly obvious as "Touched By The Hand Of God", but enough for a mate of mine to ask me if I'd heard it yet...

I don't have an expensive hi-fi, just played it on my computer through relatively-crappy PC speakers...

What really galls me about the above two examples is that they're already on CD - at the very least they could have just done a WAV to WAV transfer...

Ah well, they'll be fixed by early(ish) next year...

Oh, and vinyl to CD transfers can be done if it properly goes through the mastering process... I know of a couple of examples (with different bands) where the record company took the time to master off vinyl, and the results sound great...

It's not rocket science! :p

Nick King wrote: Oh, and vinyl to CD transfers can be done if it properly goes through the mastering process... I know of a couple of examples (with different bands) where the record company took the time to master off vinyl, and the results sound great...

It's not rocket science! :p

Fcuking leave me out of this......it won't WORK and at this moment i CAn'T.My vinyls need dusting and i have a murder rap to DODGE.I really hate women sometimes.....

Rocket THE LEGEND Mick wrote:

Nick King wrote: Oh, and vinyl to CD transfers can be done if it properly goes through the mastering process... I know of a couple of examples (with different bands) where the record company took the time to master off vinyl, and the results sound great...

It's not rocket science! :p

Fcuking leave me out of this......it won't WORK and at this moment i CAn'T.My vinyls need dusting and i have a murder rap to DODGE.I really hate women sometimes.....

Apologies if this has been mentioned before... Does anyone know who is doing the 'recalling' of the discs and when..?

Rocket THE LEGEND Mick wrote:

Nick King wrote: Oh, and vinyl to CD transfers can be done if it properly goes through the mastering process... I know of a couple of examples (with different bands) where the record company took the time to master off vinyl, and the results sound great...

It's not rocket science! :p

Fcuking leave me out of this......it won't WORK and at this moment i CAn'T.My vinyls need dusting and i have a murder rap to DODGE.I really hate women sometimes.....

Having seen the poxy state of the artefacts in the Saville show they could save themselves a load of work by sourcing some vinyl in really good nick to start with....

Apologies if this has been mentioned before... Does anyone know who is doing the 'recalling' of the discs and when..?

In the UK it's more a case of not pressing any more beyond the first batch until the new versions are ready.

You should see all stocks running out in the shops by now.

the mighty boosh wrote: Apologies if this has been mentioned before... Does anyone know who is doing the 'recalling' of the discs and when..?

Once the re-remasters are complete, Rhino will set out how they plan to exchange faulty CDs (according to their recent e-mail).

To the same ol' issue with Warners.

Guys, CDs are, how to say not to offend you lot, well they are obsolete like vynil audio cassettes. No one is going to invest lots of money into "re-mastering" unless it's a guaranteed sellout. Everything's digital. BUY MP3!

Of course, Warners are doing this recalling only because of the whinning and moaning that NOOL sank into.

Don't know if it has been mentioned, but does this implied recall just apply to the UK, or everywhere? I'll assume the worst.

Pash wrote:

the mighty boosh wrote: Apologies if this has been mentioned before... Does anyone know who is doing the 'recalling' of the discs and when..?

Once the re-remasters are complete, Rhino will set out how they plan to exchange faulty CDs (according to their recent e-mail).

Thanx for the info...

Ally wrote:

|| | ||| 6217|| 8 || 3 wrote: Guys, CDs are, how to say not to offend you lot, well they are obsolete like vynil audio cassettes. No one is going to invest lots of money into "re-mastering" unless it's a guaranteed sellout.

Rubbish, there are plenty of decently remastered CDs released every year.

The recent Sound of The Smiths compilation had the same corporate backing as the New Order remasters (Warner Brothers, Rhino etc) and I can personally attest that those CDs sound really good... clear, crisp, non-compressed and a definite improvement over the original 80s/90s CDs which sound very muddy by comparison. If Johnny Marr can make the effort to ensure his previous band's back catalogue is treated with care and respect then I really don't see why it's beyond any member of New Order.

The Smiths occupy the same "Manchester 80s indie alternative" area of music as New Order (to Americans anyway) so I would imagine Warners - an American company - had similar sales expectations for both. Why give The Smiths preferential quality treatment?

Everything's digital. BUY MP3!

CD is digital, you numpty.

No thanks, I'd rather have music in a non-compressed medium. Despite what you say, there is still a clear demand for that sort a full quality format even if CD sales have declined.

Of course, Warners are doing this recalling only because of the whinning and moaning that NOOL sank into.

Yes, and your point here is...? Of course the fans recognised we were flogged a shite product and demanded changes. That's the whole point of complaining so that things may be corrected or improved the next time. We aren't talking about a dodgy singles compilation; these were meant to be the definitive remasters of a band's back catalogue and had a fair amount of expectation riding on them. Not to mention at Warner's total RRP for all five came close to £75 which is a great deal of money for most fans.

What an odd post from "barcode", trying to combine "I hate to tell you guys but" with the BLINDINGLY OBVIOUS. There was no excuse for some of the quality errors on these releases and the fanbase should be pleased they managed to turn the tide here.

yup! made great points and couldn't agree with you more!

i, myself prefer to have the actual cd, rather than a compressed audio media.

Ally, I think you're right about the crap remasters being collector items. I checked recently on Amazon. Ebay etc and HMV and they are going up in value, I'll wait now until the new remaster are done

It's a good thing that I didn't spend my money yet on the remasters. I hope that they can do it right.