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andreal wrote: Hi everyone,
I am new here and I wanted to let you know that all the previous episodes of Songbook are available for download on http://thebox.bz and I expect that the episode with Bernard will be uploaded there immediately after it airs.
its on there! downloading it now 
Hey can anybody who downloaded the audio version of "Sink or Swim" please send me the mp3 because the the link will not let me download it anymore thanks my e-mail is SOLANKIL@CONED.COM
Arfur Fuscake wrote: I also thought it very 'me, me me'. Lets be fair the reason NO songs sound do great is mainly down to the music, they are not going to stand the test of an accoustic set up.
The main problem for me with the show is that Barney can't remember anying that may be interesting. Unless I misunderstood even his explanation of EGG sounded absolute bollocks.
As for the 'new song' I'm sure we all know how this will sound once produced - New Order / Electonic at their worst.
Sorry, but its just not for me, me and me.
I suppose its a matter of opinion.
I think most New Order songs sound gorgeous and rather lovely when played acoustically on guitar or piano. True Faith, Temptation, Bizarre Love Triangle, The Perfect Kiss, Dream Attack, Regret, Confusion, and many, many other New Order songs sound wonderful when played acoustically.
A well constructed, well written song will sound good when played on just about any instrumentation. Most New Order songs are pretty well written with especially strong melodies, which is why a lot of them sound great when stripped down.
Matter of fact, Almanso has done some really beautiful acoustic based covers of New Order tunes, my favorite being his version of 'Everyone Everywhere".
I think the new song sounds great, and I think it was soung good when loaded with electronics. I don't know why you would think the production would be awful......Bernard did the lions share of the production work on New Order stuff and his production work for other people has always been really good. Tony Wilson thought Bernard was as good a producer as Martin Hannet.
Canuck21 wrote:
Simon Simpson wrote: Was there only me that watched this and was staggered that everything was "I", "me" and "everyone else"?
Blue Monday was "his" arrangement of "his" favourite records of the time! Seem to recall hearing that Steve spent days programming that drum pattern.
Love they guy but it was ill advised going on this - they're New Order songs NOT his. Unless the "Other three" did nothing all this time in which case bring on his next solo project.
I did not get that "me me me" vibe as much as you did. I think that he usually did the arrangement (Debbie Curtis did say that Barney was the one usually doing the arrangements on JD songs so I presume he did the same with NO) and that the programming was something else. It's two different things I believe. He was the leader of the band like Ian was the leader of Joy Division, so his input was strong in regards to influencing the sound.
It might be also his style of talking without really meaning that everything was his. Like he said "his" song when the interviewer asked about "Love Will Tear Us Apart". I highly doubt he really thinks that's HIS song. He's part of the song writing team so he just says it's his. I think it's just his style of wording really.
Canuck is right.
Bernard Sumner was/is the leader of New Order. The arrangments on Blue Monday were done by him, as was most of the production work on Blue Monday. Tony Wilson said as much, and the great Peter Hook mentioned that Bernard played and programmed the synth bass lines of BM, which are the entire backbone around which the song was constructed. The idea for Blue Monday came from Bernard's desire to create a dance song similar to "Dirty Talk" by Klein and MBO and "You Make Me Feel Mighty Real" by Sylvester, as well as the whole bands desire to create a song that would play itself.
Bernard wrote the arrangement and basic melody of Blue Monday..and onto this skeleton, Hooky improvised his fucking brilliant and god like basslines, Steve came up with the drum patterns, and Gillian and Bernard came up with the synth parts.
Bernard was also the key architect of Temptation, Crystal (He actually wrote Crystal for some German pop star to sing), Regret, and many other New Order songs. He has always said in interviews that he writes a lot of the music and basic song structures, and then Hooky, Steve, and Gillian would create and add thier parts onto that.
Other New Order songs came from other members. I would bet money that Age of Consent started life as the lead bass line that Hooky plays....Hooky wrote that bass line and everyone followed and built on it. Its different on different songs.......Steve and Gillian wrote the music for World in Motion, Gillian wrote most of the music for Dream Attack (and played the great lead guitar line). Hooky wrote the main synth bass line that forms Touched By the Hand of God, the middle section of Krafty, and I would bet that he came up with the core riff for 60 MPH as well.
But a lot of New Order songs started life with Bernard. He was the leader of the band and in some cases, also the main songwriter.
Canuck brings up another good point....Bernard was the main music arranger in Joy Division. This is mentioned by both Debbie Curtis and Tony Wilson.
In David Nolan's book on Bernard Sumner, its mentioned that Love Will Tear Us Apart started with the Synth melody Bernard wrote, and that he and Ian jammed the song together (I think maybe it was Terry Mason who says he remembers Ian and Barney practicing the song alone together before Ian had any lyrics).
I didn't think he sounded egotistic in this interview at all...and in the past he has always been more than forthcoming about the creative input that Hooky, Steve and Gillian had on New Order songs.
And this is a matter of personal opinion...but I prefer the first Electronic album over anything that Monaco. Revenge, and the Other Two put out. Though I do like Monaco, Revenge, and the Other Two a lot.
As such, I am really interested in hearing Bad Lieutenant.
Sorry, i just wanted to say i thought the song was a bit poor. I have only listened to it once though. I hope i'm wrong, i probably am cos all you lot seem to like it. Good to have a new Barney number though!
I'll go along with much of what Zach said... However, I still think the last great song Barney has come up with is 'Crystal', which was probably born ten years ago.
He needs to pull a cracker out of the bag again, methinks, and sooner rather than later.
The new song is alright... but its missing a strong bassline, some tight drumming, and an appropriate synth-line. I.e. all the other component parts to a band we used to love.
Got to finally watch this today! Thought it was interesting, and the new song just sounds like Barney to me, nothing more, nothing less - which all in all means it'll be something that I quite like.
Did wonder what the hell he was doing when he performed LWTUA acoustic, but half way through I burst into tears (and I don't think it was because I still thought it was bad, more something about it touched a nerve)
He mentions Bad Lieuntenant will be going live - that's surely got to be at least a new injection of excitement - even if it turns out rubbish?!
Bonzette wrote: Did wonder what the hell he was doing when he performed LWTUA acoustic, but half way through I burst into tears
Not again! 
Can anyone PLEASE send me the audio mp3 of "sink or swim" , because the link won't let me download it and I want that song badly, please someone must have it because the link tell me that it has reached it's max for people to download the song on rapidshare, my e-mail is
SOLANKIL@CONED.COM
Interesting, I thought. Typical Bernard interview, though for once he admitted some of the blame for the way New Order went in 1989. LWTUA does work quite well acoustically, Getting Away With It was a pleasant surprise, and the new song was ok until he lapsed into his standard "hey now what you doing" lyrics at the end.
Of course we will go and get pissed at Bad Loot gigs - £40 says they do some NO stuff as well.......
Cheers for uploading this Shug 
linus sulanki wrote:
ShugZV wrote:
Is there anyone who can send me a copy of this song "sink or swim" on audio file so I can listen to it on my ipod, thanks this is a really good song.
You can do it yourself on www.listentoyoutube.com
Thanks for the messgaes baheids.
For all those desperate for the mp3....
Here's the song in all its glory from the DVD....
I get there eventually 
Simon Simpson wrote:
Gazman wrote: Am I the only one that thought it was pish?
No
No, I couldn't get the whole way through. More sky / high / fly / why? lyrics indicate the candle is truly burned to the end... 
As soon as I heard the start I thought of Road To Ruin, I've even found masel humming the Sink Or Swim tune since Saturday morning. It's not as good as Road To Ruin, but it's definitely a grower, cannae wait for the album, but having listened to Barney in the past, it wouldnae surprise me if the album isnae out for a while yet. We've also been promised gigs (both New Order and Electronic) in the past and nothing surfaced, I hope I am proved wrong this time, nothing like a gig or three to look forward to
Just listened, missed this thread somehow. Really enjoyed it so cheers shugz. Nothing new on the interview but good to see Barney back in the public eye. New songs sounds pretty good to me. look foward to more and be great to see barney live thought that would never happen again.
Sink Or Swim recalls "Raise The Pressure" to me. The melody, the vocals, it seems like some off beat notion to that album.
Interesting to hear what Barney had to say and some songs again. I cant believe this was on SKY and I missed it. How did I miss this thread?
I thought Barney spoke very openly about himself and quite objectively about New Order. It sounds like the passing of time away from the band has given him space to reflect on his career and the bands he's been in and what they achieved.
The new song was the usual mishmush of bad lyrics and dodgy singing that we expect and adore. cant wait for the album. But nice to see Barney revisit the old tunes once again. Seems the mans got fire in the belly again
anyone got the "missing" performance of the new order song? here are 256k MP3s of two of the songs, grab them whilst they are hot (copy n paste them...)
http://s8.mediaconverter.org/download.php?realname=12366835139377060.mp3&newname=
http://s9.mediaconverter.org/download.php?realname=12366839898112056.mp3&newname=
enjoy
Simon Gilbert wrote: anyone got the "missing" performance of the new order song? here are 256k MP3s of two of the songs, grab them whilst they are hot (copy n paste them...)
http://s8.mediaconverter.org/download.php?realname=12366835139377060.mp3&newname=
http://s9.mediaconverter.org/download.php?realname=12366839898112056.mp3&newname=
Which songs are these songs because I am at work and I can't download them.
First of all, thanks to Mr Shug. I watched all 7 pieces.
I'm not a big fan of acoustic arrangements, so I wasn't thrilled by the treatment the songs received from folk guitars and a dry, unpolished voice from Barney.
However, I really digged "Swim & Sink". What a delight that song is. Now it occured to me finally about Barney's writing of the recent years. I think his latest style started with "Such A Good Thing" thru "Hey Now Whatcha Doing", "WFTSC", "Miracle Cure"... all with somewhat obtuse down-to-earth lyrics and driving melodies.
It is a pity the song does not have a destiny to be a NO tune. Looking definitely forward the Bad Leutenant output. I hope it won't be shit like 808 State's "Ex:cel" that also included collaborations.
linus sulanki wrote:
michael preda wrote: Sink or swim is damn addicting.
You are right it is a very good song.
So you lot loved Miracel Cure?
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linus sulanki wrote:
michael preda wrote: Sink or swim is damn addicting.
You are right it is a very good song.
So you lot loved Miracel Cure?
No, that was shit.
