Official New Order Websites

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new order don't give a fuck about the fans or the internet

Originally posted by Geaux Hagen new order don't give a fuck about the fans or the internet

Another sad but true statement! Just a note that on IAN HUNTER'S site(MOTT THE HOOPLE...ALL THE YOUNG DUDES) he constantly speaks and replies to his fans.Makes you wonder doesn't it?

Originally posted by Geaux Hagen new order don't give a fuck about the fans or the internet

A tad harsh.

There's plenty of circumstantial evidence to suggest they do give a rat's ass about their fans. Don't forget they're rather private people and accidental, reluctant music heroes even. Frankly that's part of the mystique and allure of the band. I'll pack it in the day I log onto the official NewOrder site and read about Steve's favourite pizza topping.

No one's forcing you to buy their records.

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Personally I think fansites should remain fansites - while it is nice to be given an official status, the whole relationship changes then, it ceases to become a labour of love and starts becoming a labour. Sadly I speak from experience, albeit with a sporting organisation rather than a band, and I can't look at Speedway the same way now.

Originally posted by Geaux Hagen new order don't give a fuck about the fans or the internet

Although I think this ain´t true, the point is: could we say that in an official website?

Methinks not

Originally posted by Geaux Hagen new order don't give a fuck about the fans or the internet

Maybe not the internet, but they do care about the fans. Hooky has gone on record stating that the fans are his main reason for doing what he does.

Originally posted by Al Jarvis > Originally posted by depthcharge> I'll pack it in the day I log onto the official NewOrder site and read about Steve's favourite pizza topping.> > :\pimp3:

Apparently he favours a bizarre Japanese-based pizza topping comprising shredded pork, shimeji mushrooms, bamboo shoots, seaweed and shiso leaves. So now you know. ;)

Looks like Gillian's been doing the cooking again. You're just lucky this isn't an official site or I'd be out of here.

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Why not alter this website slightly if you want to attain 'official' status. You could remove the forums, then delete the multimedia section (far too fussy), maybe take all the current graphics off - instead, just have 1 static page that has a red bar going through, I don't know, a monochrome picture of a girl putting her jeans on, then put the songs off Getting Things Ready somewhere hidden and make sure the site crashes lots when you try to click anywhere. When that's done send random e-mails to the members who managed to actually join about forthcoming gigs and then after a while just cancel the site.

Surely that's more fulfilling than running this site?

Hooky does care about the fans, i do believe, as he has shown on several occaisions "i want to come down there and give every one of you a hug" but the others could care less what the fans want....

You're right Depth Charge, no one forces me to buy their records just like no one forces them to perform half ass versions of BLT, BM and True Faith just because they are their biggest hits......wouldn't it be nice to hear them put their hearts into a performance of Elegia or Sunrise rather than go through the motions...Barney says nearly the same shit every show and his whoops are Totally Predictable and Annoying...I personally love neworder and could care less if they visit the site to tell us what their favorite vegetable is or why the can't perform Perfect Kiss or Sunrise.

Show me, please show me the way....if i am mistaken about the rest of the band....but Hooky's the catylist for the tour and the album

I buy their music because i like the way it sounds, not because i think they're nice people.

Originally posted by Huntsman Why not alter this website slightly if you want to attain 'official' status. You could remove the forums, then delete the multimedia section (far too fussy), maybe take all the current graphics off - instead, just have 1 static page that has a red bar going through, I don't know, a monochrome picture of a girl putting her jeans on, then put the songs off Getting Things Ready somewhere hidden and make sure the site crashes lots when you try to click anywhere. When that's done send random e-mails to the members who managed to actually join about forthcoming gigs and then after a while just cancel the site.Surely that's more fulfilling than running this site?

another choice post by Huntsman...........

Hookey care about the fans....i would never of thought it for a minute...lol He use to be one arrogant c***' but he seems to have mellowed quite a bit these days.

Whatever happend to the skinny guy on the bass...?

Originally posted by Geaux Hagen You're right Depth Charge, no one forces me to buy their records just like no one forces them to perform half ass versions of BLT, BM and True Faith...

Actually they are pressured to play these tunes and that's the problem. Bernard always laments having to play BM, but no doubt feels compelled to do so. They're at a point in their career where to pull crowds (and thus bankroll their tours) they need to play what the crowd want to hear. You can argue that these predictable well-worn hits always come across half-baked, or aren't what the crowd want to hear but you'd be incorrect. In most shows (especially the international ones), for every hardcore fan like us in the crowd, there's 50 part-time fans and 100 casual fans. They come to see NewOrder play BM, BLT, TF etc. And they don't care and mostly don't notice that the band are often going through the motions. There's simply not enough grass root support for NewOrder today to play all the esoteric stuff we want to hear (with the possible exception being hardcore UK shows). They're victims of their own success in a way and I don't perceive this as them not giving a fuck, it's a fact of life.

Most of us would like to see them mix it up a bit more live, but I think we should be happy for small mercies. Look at some of NewOrder's contemporaries: Smiths fans will never have new material to enjoy; PSB and DM fans should be aghast at the drivel that their heroes peddle today; and The Cure have devolved into self-parody. NewOrder have delivered us a strong album, some classic tracks and have even bothered to visit a few neglected corners of the globe. At this stage in their career, I'm not complaining.

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Originally posted by depthcharge > Originally posted by Geaux Hagen> You're right Depth Charge, no one forces me to buy their records just like no one forces them to perform half ass versions of BLT, BM and True Faith...

Actually they are pressured to play these tunes and that's the problem. Bernard always laments having to play BM, but no doubt feels compelled to do so. They're at a point in their career where to pull crowds (and thus bankroll their tours) they need to play what the crowd want to hear. You can argue that these predictable well-worn hits always come across half-baked, or aren't what the crowd want to hear but you'd be incorrect. In most shows (especially the international ones), for every hardcore fan like us in the crowd, there's 50 part-time fans and 100 casual fans. They come to see NewOrder play BM, BLT, TF etc. And they don't care and mostly don't notice that the band are often going through the motions. There's simply not enough grass root support for NewOrder today to play all the esoteric stuff we want to hear (with the possible exception being hardcore UK shows). They're victims of their own success in a way and I don't perceive this as them not giving a fuck, it's a fact of life.

Most of us would like to see them mix it up a bit more live, but I think we should be happy for small mercies. Look at some of NewOrder's contemporaries: Smiths fans will never have new material to enjoy; PSB and DM fans should be aghast at the drivel that their heroes peddle today; and The Cure have devolved into self-parody. NewOrder have delivered us a strong album, some classic tracks and have even bothered to visit a few neglected corners of the globe. At this stage in their career, I'm not complaining.

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Another GREAT post by DEPTHCHARGE and some food for thought.Well done SIR!

oh, they're wicked and they're LAZY...................Primitive Notion is indeed a classic and will probably never get the chance to be butchered by Barney....

Originally posted by Chris Nash As far as playing the same set on 3 consecutive nights goes - an example:3 gigs at Brixton Academy - sold out very quickly, so one would presume that ALOT of people wanted to see them live.Only Die-hard-nuts would want to go to all 3 gigs. Some of us only had the money to go to one.If I'd gone on Wednesday (which I did) and they'd played a good set, but it didn't include Transmission or Love Will Tear Us Apart, but the Saturday set DID, I'd be a bit disappointed. Playing the same set gives the maximum amount of fans the opportunity to see their favourite songs.Just the way I see it, so I don't blame them - if I'd gone to all three gigs, I'd still have enjoyed it - every little counts after all.Also, rehearsing, sequencing, etc takes time & money...

That's an interesting perspective, but I'm not 100% convinced. I think that they think the set works, so why change it ? Either that or they are too lazy to invest the time in rehearsals. We know they can't be arsed to get people (Roger Lyons) to sequence other stuff for them, or even to play stuff (Here To Stay) when he has done it.....

Originally posted by Ruined in a B I really think they are lazy and not-so-good musicians since it might take them a lot more time to rehearse a song than another band would.If you check out the setlists The Cure have been playing this summer, you'll see that when a band wants to play, they can. It's incredible how many different songs this band (The Cure) can play from a night to another.If they weren't so lazy, it wouldn't be THAT difficult for New Order to learn 10 more songs and program them (ask Peter Schwartz to do it!!!!!), so that they can play with their setlist a little. Besides, a lot of these songs do not need ANY programming at all (Leave Me Alone, Age of Consent, Run, Loveless, Guilty Partner, etc.).If they'd learn 10 more songs, it would give them around 30 songs to play with. Still very far away from the 150 or so that The Cure can play you instantly, but still an improvement over the current situation...

You're quite right, they could do it if they could be bothered, and we'd all love to hear some of the back catalogue. I've got no idea why they won't, only they know I guess. It sure spoils it thogh when you get the same set every night, and half-arsed versions of Brutal just don't cut it for me as a bit of variety. To be honest, I was dreading Old Trafford for that very reason, so it was a really pleasant surprise to get Love Vigilantes first up.

One thing that may work out ok is that there's enough time now between today and the next scheduled shows (sometime around the next album, early 2003) for Roger Lyons to get on with programming Perfect Kiss !!!!! Surely they won't get him to do all their sequencing in the studio ?

Originally posted by Chris Nash Only Die-hard-nuts would want to go to all 3 gigs. ...

That'd be me then.

I'm pleased to tell you that the bands management DO actually "give a fuck" about the internet and it's for that reason that I have been (mis)quoted suggesting certain sites be a little more careful when it comes to mp3s and the like.

I know that Andy Robinson WAS a regular visitor to "Ceremony" and he watches other sites quite closely - I shouldn't think he would ever contribute anything.