Pictures in my Mind

Come on im starting the thread again,i dont care if they kick me off

Jeffari-al-Texani wrote: what you talking about Joe?

Who's Joe?

JERT and WELL REd/READ sang it to me on Sunday.It was ace then Jert spilled his drink.......

that song doesn't exist, and even if it did, what right do we have talking about it?

Bob Konkel wrote: that song doesn't exist, and even if it did, what right do we have talking about it?

the guy said we can hear it on documentary jd video

I just can't take this off my mind

Freeze the image at 6 seconds and see how they were insecure without Ian on stage as three-piece

I didn't know such early footage of New Order existed... Powerful stuff..

that footage is well good, thanks for posting

to be given

Bob Konkel wrote: that song doesn't exist, and even if it did, what right do we have talking about it?

This must be a very difficult subject for you. Even though it has no reason to be, but forgive me if Im wrong.

eskämiyä wrote:

Bob Konkel wrote: that song doesn't exist, and even if it did, what right do we have talking about it?

This must be a very difficult subject for you. Even though it has no reason to be, but forgive me if Im wrong.

absurd statement I made, innit'

It's not "Always On My Mind"?

Pictures in my mind Having a real good time.

The guy on the jd forum, wouldn't post the lyrics to this "so called" song, in fear of being sued for copyright infringement.

The same guy, not too long ago, was happy to transcribe the slightly different lyrics to another Joy Division song (live version), so he's full of shit.

He has totally disappeared now. The story, is a really pathetic attempt to draw attention to himself.

Anyone here got any really rare stuff they want to talk about? Like a video of Ian doing the dishes or something?

If you Google "Pictures in my Mind" and "Ian Curtis" you get this; an interesting essay by someone with a familiar name.

The essay quotes Ian Curtis:

I feel it more as I used to work with people who had epilepsy (among others) and every month used to visit the David Lewis Centre as part of my job. All the very bad cases are there for treatment or just to be looked after. It left terrible pictures in my mind...

Whether or not you believe there's a lost track of the same name, I'm sure this will strengthen your belief.

My own opinion is that if it does exist, and if it's genuine, it's not much good. If it's anything like other rehearsal tapes I've heard, the lyrics will be indecipherable anyway.

If anyone offers to sell you this be very careful. However much you may want to get your hands on a lost classic, the chances of it happening are very slim indeed.

And if anyone tells you a story about a drunken night out in Stockport, let me know!

Big Mouth Julio wrote: I just can't take this off my mind

Freeze the image at 6 seconds and see how they were insecure without Ian on stage as three-piece

Thanks for posting this.

El Jarvo wrote: I heard it's shit anyway.

I've been collecting New Order and Joy Division since 1986. I have some 100+ Joy Division bootleg lps and around 40+ New Order. Dare I say, most of these are crap! It never stopped me collecting them and wanting to hear as much as I can.

I believe that such a CD does exist as certain tracks listed here have been broadcast on radio and Drew has the end of IALP rehearsal. So, we have evidence.

Thanks for the Youtube posting,good stuff,never even knew thar existed

Darkman wrote: I haven't gone anywhere...lol. As I posted on JDC, the sound quality for the whole CD, is a 8+ to a 9+; meaning these are the most choice recordings. So, with that said, I have the complete lyrics to "Pictures In My Mind", as you can hear Ian singing just fine! I'm going to laugh so hard one day, when this is either a official release or if someone posts it on a blog.spot. Then what will you guys come up with to de-bunk me; I will have the last laugh in all this................Cheers.

• a question for you Darkman :-

Does "Pictures in my Mind" sound more like the Warsaw Demos (Gutz, Inside the Line etc ) style wise or is up with the proper early Joy Division stuff like Digital/Glass etc.

Adam got a good question. What is it like? Is it a blitz a la Ice Age or is it more melancholic? Does it resemble any song?

Any synths?

Biginoil,, 4 young men with the weight of the world on there shoulders, got pissed in stockport,, fell into a recording studio,, had a couple of strawberry cocktails,, recorded some unknown pleasures and the world became closer, still thats in the past,, whoes out tomorrow/?er just give the armoury a swerve

there must be more to life than

Darkman wrote: I'm going to laugh so hard one day, when this is either a official release or if someone posts it on a blog.spot. Then what will you guys come up with to de-bunk me; I will have the last laugh in all this

79 that's the post of the year.

Let's Go is the icing on the cake.

Well done, sir.

Jeffari-al-Texani wrote:

Darkman wrote: I haven't gone anywhere...lol. As I posted on JDC, the sound quality for the whole CD, is a 8+ to a 9+; meaning these are the most choice recordings. So, with that said, I have the complete lyrics to "Pictures In My Mind", as you can hear Ian singing just fine! I'm going to laugh so hard one day, when this is either a official release or if someone posts it on a blog.spot. Then what will you guys come up with to de-bunk me; I will have the last laugh in all this................Cheers.

blah blah blah....who gives a shit???

I do. Any self respecting fan should care about information regarding a long lost track no matter how its delivered. You are such a sheep. Baaa-ing with the rest of the naysayers.

Bob Konkel wrote:

Jeffari-al-Texani wrote:

Darkman wrote: I haven't gone anywhere...lol. As I posted on JDC, the sound quality for the whole CD, is a 8+ to a 9+; meaning these are the most choice recordings. So, with that said, I have the complete lyrics to "Pictures In My Mind", as you can hear Ian singing just fine! I'm going to laugh so hard one day, when this is either a official release or if someone posts it on a blog.spot. Then what will you guys come up with to de-bunk me; I will have the last laugh in all this................Cheers.

blah blah blah....who gives a shit???

I do. Any self respecting fan should care about information regarding a long lost track no matter how its delivered. You are such a sheep. Baaa-ing with the rest of the naysayers.

I'm a fan of JD/NO yet I don't see the big deal because I have a feeling this track really doesn't seem to be real.

Maybe my feelings are wrong...but not all fans have to care about these things. Some do, and I respect that though.

Frankly I'd rather hear the pre mastering versions of WFTSC then this heap of shit.

What I'm not understanding is how "great" the lyrics of "prophecy" would be. I mean, Ian wrote the lyrics, then he did the final deed... its not rocket science that maybe the two might match... its not like the two were off chance coincidences. There are many other cries for help throughout his music, this isn't the first and i'm sure, in Steve's secret tank stash, it definitely isn't the last.

Some people need to get a grip.

Now to more important things, like Hooky's leather jacket.

Darkman wrote: That is a good question Adam, and Weirdo. Its is very poppy, no synths. Its is nothing like the "Warsaw Demos" or the "Ideal For Living" EP. But Ian does sing in the same manor as "An Ideal For Living" but the music is very catchy, not punk in the least bit. He still hasn't found his voice yet, like he did with "The Factory Sample" or "Unknown Pleasures". Hooky plays a very repetative rif, while Barney comes in on the corus, with the same melody. The music is much more poppy then anything else they did, which makes it a very intresting song. Its a great song really, which leaves me to wonder why they didn't continue with it. "Biginoil" has a keen eye, and the lyrics are about his work at the "David Lewis Centre" or what he saw there that left terrible "Pictures In His Mind'. The lyrics remind me of "She's Lost Control", to a degree..........cheers

....Thanks for that Darkman!

Really intrigued about this track. Have to say this interests me personally way more than the WFTSC leftovers. Remember this was from the era when the band were experimenting and changing/improving their sound on a weekly basis (it always amazes me how much great stuff they packed into their short JD career).

...by contrast WFTSC was from the arse end of New Order's career (when they were simply going through the motions IMHO).

Today as a Xmas present to JD fans - Darkman has posted a bunch more information about the rehearsal tapes on JD Central. Also here are the lyrics for "Pictures" :-

Everything to bad, All these things have gone away Pictures in my mind, They take me back to yesterday Always carry the pictures, Take me back to right before Everything she did from now, Is better then before.

In the right time, Of the right

We should be thankful definitely, And now its gone away Everything inside, I hold it in every single day Always carry the pictures, So I know where I've been before Pictures in my mind, Drive me around like right before.

I'm down, To the floor, Come around.

Everythings too bad, Now the feeling gone away I can see more clearly now, Peeling back the days Always carry the pictures, Take me back right before Everything I do, Could carry better then before.

Take me down, Me down, Always down, Down".

• Ian hums -

"Take me down" "Take me down" "Take me down" "Take me down"

...Maybe these lyrics reveal a hitherto unknown ELO influence on Ian (ELO's - "Don't bring me down") or possibly Status Quo with "Down, Down" (perhaps not !)

....at this rate maybe we'll have the full lossless tape by the new year !