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If it was priced at 12 quid then everyone on here would say it was good value and rush out and buy one. Hooky would then sell several hundred (at least) and make a few quid out of it.
Why is that alright but selling a small handful for 600 notes is not?
In terms of how much he pockets (and if you're concerned about that you shouldnt be buying music anyway) wouldnt it be about the same?
Who f'cking cares! Let him sell stuff at the price he wants. You can't own everything, and anything you do own will go to your careless nephew when you die anyways... can't bring it with you. If its priced too high, no one will buy...
EdelBrock wrote: Who f'cking cares! Let him sell stuff at the price he wants. You can't own everything, and anything you do own will go to your careless nephew when you die anyways... can't bring it with you. If its priced too high, no one will buy...
The Teacher wrote: I still want to know how the hacienda dancefloor was retrieved.
it was cut into pieces, put on a pallet ,then into a van . easy. and sold in strips, with the rest of the fixtures at an auction, the proceeds of which went to kids charities.
due to a classic factory cock up, the wood ben kelly specc'd for the dancefloor wasn't really meant to be danced on , and had to be replaced a couple of times, so there's more out there than you might think.
totally agree Jack - who gives a sh1t if Hooky wants to make some cash? either give him some cash or don't.
i never knew joy division/new order fans to be the judgmental types. pretty lame. is this what NOOL has come to?
i bet you complained when new order didn't play your mandated encores as well.
"i am not getting my money's worth!!! where is the encore!" the Hooky Cash-In believers probably b1tched about back then.
sad.
[orange]State of Love and Trust [/orange] wrote: if you don't like it, don't buy it! no one is making you buy anything.
True mate, no one made me buy tons of New Order/Joy Division/Monaco/Revenge/Freebass stuff either but at least I could afford em!
Tarbox23 wrote: never knew joy division/new order fans to be the judgmental types. pretty lame. is this what NOOL has come to?
Its not being judgemental or sad to have an opinion on this.
I am no Hooky hater either, far from it.
The Robert Forster set from foruli is very similar (smaller admittedly) and costs only £75 and is presumably priced to make a nice profit.
Hookys starts at £262. Any fan ok with that needs to have a word with themselves.
Aiming exclusive releases, including tasty (?) reworkings of NO classics, at the wealthy is not on and about as far from "punk" as you can get.
What once was anarchistic, is now sold in form of overpriced lifestyle-gadgets for 40somethings stuck in the 80ies. Hooky now is the Hacienda, Factory and Joy Divison in one person. He's rewriting history (Hooky the acid house master anyone?), and tries to sell his recent output with the historic relevance and cultural impact of the original Factory. It's true, nobody needs to buy anything, but we as fans have all the right in the world to have an opinion on all this. Time to move on.
Tarbox23 wrote: i never knew joy division/new order fans to be the judgmental types. pretty lame. is this what NOOL has come to?
Tarbox, you moan far more about our comments than any band activity we moan about. If you don't like what we discuss or talk about you "don't have to read it" or indeed take part.
joe davola wrote: It's true, nobody needs to buy anything, but we as fans have all the right in the world to have an opinion on all this.
Absolutely. It is a f*cking discussion board after all.
But please remember to check with Tarbox whether your opinions are sufficiently un-judgemental before you type anything further 
Well, if the only way I'm going to be able to listen to 4 exclusive tracks is to find a torrent site and download them, then...
End result - Hooky doesn't get any money from me... Now, if they were available on a cheaper release than £262...
you can listen to "The Vikings" here:
as it is not allowed to be "judgemental" on this forum, I keep my mouth shut.
I believe in freedom of speech/expression; as I've said before I also believe in the freedom to sell or buy whatever (as long as it's not illegal).
I can't afford it and I'm not a fan of vinyl, but if anyone on this planet that can afford it and wants it buys it---I don't care---it's their business.
My only comment is put out as many packages as you like, just make the MUSIC affordable and available to the fans. I really only want the music on the ten inch. Isn't there a way to make that available eventually?
Factor wrote: My only comment is put out as many packages as you like, just make the MUSIC affordable and available to the fans. I really only want the music on the ten inch. Isn't there a way to make that available eventually?
A voice of reason, nice one.
Give us mugs who have always bought stuff the option to buy the new music.
This probably will be up as a "torrent" somewhere sooner or later....can you blame us for grabbing it?
joe davola wrote: you can listen to "The Vikings" here:
as it is not allowed to be "judgemental" on this forum, I keep my mouth shut.
You are allowed to be judgemental, you will just offend the more naive sections of the board when you refuse to give excessive praise everytime Hooky farts.
The fact is, and we've known it for years, with all the shit re issues, the remasters which were defective, the re issued remasters which did fuck all, the shambles which was Retro, the selling of the Hacienda dance floor to name but a few, that New Order, and one member in particular have been ripping off and trying to exploit the fans for years. Scraping the barrel methinks. And how appropriate that after the disaster which was twobass that Hooky has been reduced to taking a band which was originally supposed to be a "one off" then a "special one off performance" into what is now a fully fledged world touring outfit playing in front of a hundred people or so in crap holes around the world.
There's no doubting that some of the recent projects Hooky's got involved in have done his credibility no favours whatsoever. More fool the people who keep buying the tat, attending the shows, qeueing up to get the books signed I say. However, credibility don't pay the rent. And anyone who thinks that being one quarter of a moderately succesful band on an indie label in the 80's (who didn't like touring and who had to prop up a nightclub) would make you rich is mistaken.
At the end of the day Hooky's got to turn a coin like the rest of us and if some people don't like the way he's doing it then just don't get involved in it. It's harming nobody and bringing enjoyment to some folk so fair fucks to the man. And I actually liked the Hacienda book. The rest of the Hacienda circus/horse- flogging you can keep though.
Who else was going to do the reissues? Barney? Honestly, someone is always going to find fault with these things. The music is still great and Hooky's intentions always seem good.
Is he supposed to turn down offers to do Unknown Pleasures because there is interest? I live in the states and would LOVE to have seen that. Now I possibly get to. How is that being "reduced" to anything? The gigs all seem quality. People are going or there would be no demand. What's exactly wrong with that?
I loved the book. I hope he made a shitload of money off it and it gives him the opportunity to write a JD book and eventually a NO book. I hope the Unknown Pleasures tour goes all over the world so everyone can share in the experience. I have no problem paying for the music, as I bought every Freebass track, just give us options, because if you don't then all those songs are going to be downloaded for free, as Tock said..
In the end, Hooky is out there doing his thing. Its all our choice. I don't see anyone else doing it.The man is making a living, just like you, just like me. It's up to us as fans to determine how much we want to buy tickets and records and books for.
joe davola wrote: you can listen to "The Vikings" here:
as it is not allowed to be "judgemental" on this forum, I keep my mouth shut.
Oh dear, it's absolute gash. (in a non-judgemental kind of way, of course).
Ultraviolent wrote: Don't moan about it, just don't buy it. Simples
too simple...that will never do...
Personally i have no problem with Hooky doing something with the Hacienda name or touring 'Unknown Pleasures'. It's part of his legacy and due to mismanagement and naivety in the past he's made very little from it. He was the only one that did something for Ian's anniversary, the hungry punters lapped it up so why can't he supply the demand? I'd go see him if i could and although over priced, the special editions seem like quality product. If people wanna pay that much then let them. If not he'll be selling them on Ebay and who wouldn't bid on them for the right price?! He's always had an interest in the band's live stuff and history...the others didn't seem to bother, so it's good to see him keeping an interest in the past, for financial gain or otherwise.
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, so steve cleaning up the Plan K sound for the mac fest counts for nothing then,
i worked hard for nothing,,
Damian wrote: Personally i have no problem with Hooky doing something with the Hacienda name or touring 'Unknown Pleasures'. It's part of his legacy and due to mismanagement and naivety in the past he's made very little from it. He was the only one that did something for Ian's anniversary, the hungry punters lapped it up so why can't he supply the demand? I'd go see him if i could and although over priced, the special editions seem like quality product. If people wanna pay that much then let them. If not he'll be selling them on Ebay and who wouldn't bid on them for the right price?! He's always had an interest in the band's live stuff and history...the others didn't seem to bother, so it's good to see him keeping an interest in the past, for financial gain or otherwise.
The other band members have been busy recording and touring new music.
Personally, I love Peter Hook, he can do whatever he wants. It was kind of sad to see him drop Freebass so quickly, but I'd rather go see Bad Lieutenant (because I love their album and they play new and old stuff) than see Hooky do UP. That being said, I'd still see Hooky do UP, because he's Hooky.
Zachery Starkey wrote:
Damian wrote: Personally i have no problem with Hooky doing something with the Hacienda name or touring 'Unknown Pleasures'. It's part of his legacy and due to mismanagement and naivety in the past he's made very little from it. He was the only one that did something for Ian's anniversary, the hungry punters lapped it up so why can't he supply the demand? I'd go see him if i could and although over priced, the special editions seem like quality product. If people wanna pay that much then let them. If not he'll be selling them on Ebay and who wouldn't bid on them for the right price?! He's always had an interest in the band's live stuff and history...the others didn't seem to bother, so it's good to see him keeping an interest in the past, for financial gain or otherwise.
The other band members have been busy recording and touring new music.
Personally, I love Peter Hook, he can do whatever he wants. It was kind of sad to see him drop Freebass so quickly, but I'd rather go see Bad Lieutenant (because I love their album and they play new and old stuff) than see Hooky do UP. That being said, I'd still see Hooky do UP, because he's Hooky.
Have i missed something?Is FREEBASS no more?Seriously.
Rocket Mick wrote:
Zachery Starkey wrote:
Damian wrote: Personally i have no problem with Hooky doing something with the Hacienda name or touring 'Unknown Pleasures'. It's part of his legacy and due to mismanagement and naivety in the past he's made very little from it. He was the only one that did something for Ian's anniversary, the hungry punters lapped it up so why can't he supply the demand? I'd go see him if i could and although over priced, the special editions seem like quality product. If people wanna pay that much then let them. If not he'll be selling them on Ebay and who wouldn't bid on them for the right price?! He's always had an interest in the band's live stuff and history...the others didn't seem to bother, so it's good to see him keeping an interest in the past, for financial gain or otherwise.
The other band members have been busy recording and touring new music.
Personally, I love Peter Hook, he can do whatever he wants. It was kind of sad to see him drop Freebass so quickly, but I'd rather go see Bad Lieutenant (because I love their album and they play new and old stuff) than see Hooky do UP. That being said, I'd still see Hooky do UP, because he's Hooky.
Have i missed something?Is FREEBASS no more?Seriously.
I'm sure Freebass is still going, but you'd think that since their record just came out, Hooky's be touring with them, not doing the UP tour.
To be fair, Hooky is sentimental, and money is needed to pay the bills. I prefer Bad Lieutenant to the UP tour or FB, but I think Peter Hook is a great guy (hey, he always took the time out to reply to my emails on Myspace) so he can do what he wants.
I'm moving to NYC in a week. If I have the money for UP in December, I'll go.
Rocket Mick wrote:
Zachery Starkey wrote:
Damian wrote: Personally i have no problem with Hooky doing something with the Hacienda name or touring 'Unknown Pleasures'. It's part of his legacy and due to mismanagement and naivety in the past he's made very little from it. He was the only one that did something for Ian's anniversary, the hungry punters lapped it up so why can't he supply the demand? I'd go see him if i could and although over priced, the special editions seem like quality product. If people wanna pay that much then let them. If not he'll be selling them on Ebay and who wouldn't bid on them for the right price?! He's always had an interest in the band's live stuff and history...the others didn't seem to bother, so it's good to see him keeping an interest in the past, for financial gain or otherwise.
The other band members have been busy recording and touring new music.
Personally, I love Peter Hook, he can do whatever he wants. It was kind of sad to see him drop Freebass so quickly, but I'd rather go see Bad Lieutenant (because I love their album and they play new and old stuff) than see Hooky do UP. That being said, I'd still see Hooky do UP, because he's Hooky.
Have i missed something?Is FREEBASS no more?Seriously.
I'm sure Freebass is still going, but you'd think that since their record just came out, Hooky's be touring with them, not doing the UP tour.
To be fair, Hooky is sentimental, and money is needed to pay the bills. I prefer Bad Lieutenant to the UP tour or FB, but I think Peter Hook is a great guy (hey, he always took the time out to reply to my emails on Myspace) so he can do what he wants.
I'm moving to NYC in a week. If I have the money for UP in December, I'll go.
The Teacher wrote: playing in front of a hundred people or so in crap holes around the world.
Have you even seen where we are playing you absolute tool. 20,000 people in Portugal last week proves you wrong, as does selling thousands of tickets in Australia.
Damian wrote: He's always had an interest in the band's live stuff and history...the others didn't seem to bother, so it's good to see him keeping an interest in the past, for financial gain or otherwise.
I think that the other members care about their past, but just in different ways than Hooky. In interviews, Steve and Barney seem pretty nice to share memories about JD and whatnot. I don't think you could just say that they don't care about it. Hooky's just honouring the past in a different way than Steve or Barney might, IMO.
[orange]State of Love and Trust [/orange] wrote:
The Teacher wrote: playing in front of a hundred people or so in crap holes around the world.
Have you even seen where we are playing you absolute tool. 20,000 people in Portugal last week proves you wrong, as does selling thousands of tickets in Australia.
Anyway, clubs are more fun. Nothing wrong about playing in front of a few hundred people. Those are the best shows to see or play in.
