I think Crystal is over rated here but it served it's purpose as a comeback single in that it grabbed peoples attention,but there isn't that much going on musically in the song in my opinion. If you think Corgan ruins TMY then try listening to an entire Smashing Pumpkins album,some good songs buy made difficult to listen to by his vocals,but overall GR isn't that bad if you remove the two obvious turkeys and replace them with two of the better b-sides from the time.
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GlasVegas wrote:
Haven't yet got round to re-listening to WFTSC. Remembered as I was looking for it that I never actually went out and bought it as I was so unimpressed. Will need to burn a CD from iTunes. Surely it can't be as bad as GR???
Of the two I prefer Get Ready by far Waiting For The Sirens Call isn't bad though, I love "Hey What You Doing", Krafty is sublime and Morning Night & Day is a decent "up" track.
But who knows, we have totally opposite opinions about Crystal and 60Mph 
I don't mind Coogan on Turn My Way.Wouldn't listen to a Pumpkings album though.
Rock The Shack has got about as much life and passion as a Man U supporter celebrating a goal
johnny wrote: I don't mind Coogan on Turn My Way.Wouldn't listen to a Pumpkings album though.
Rock The Shack has got about as much life and passion as a Man U supporter celebrating a goal
I quite like the way the Alan Partridge backing vocals blend ;)
In all seriousness, I really like TMW - one of their top "late period" tunes IMO.
Dennis
The thick Americana sound of Get Ready is what makes it very anti-New Order. With a different production approach, all the songs would make a great album, on par with Brotherhood.
As for what would save Rock The Shack... A dub remix maybe? But seriously, if the band liked that little rocker, they should have put on a B-side - no one would ever complain.
My theory is that in 1980-1989 the band composed new songs and developed their sound without interruptions. It was a natural evolution. From song A to song B to song C, etc., so one could trace their sonic development and it may explain why there was no such a striking resentment over their new material as we witness nowadays.
WIM aside, 1989-1992 saw the first interruption of that evolutional flow. As a result, Republic's sound was way far removed from their previous works and some fans expressed their dissatisfaction. Then again a full stop.
In 1999 they started again with Brutal that came sounding like nothing else before in NO catalogue (references to their guitarry days as JD don't serve justice here). A big gap in their joint activity meant that they had evolved separately, developing different views on music and recording process. This time, however, they decided to carry on that writing process and so we got a "new" New Order, with a new steady sound and song writing process. Thus we got Get Ready and then WFTSC and just recently Hellbent, which sounds more like Player in the League but was recorded during the WFTSC sessions, only confirming the continuity of their newly found sound.
Now if they'll reform and record a new material, it would be probably something completely different from what we expect from NO, unless they'll deliberately produce a retro record.
johnny wrote: Wouldn't listen to a Pumpkings album though.
You should do , The Smashing Pumpkins are a fantastic
group 
I really like Turn My Way and its the only tune off Get Ready that I listen to quite often and don't get bored of. When Billy Corgan played live with New Order he gave the songs an extra lift.
Dennis Charles wrote:
johnny wrote: I don't mind Coogan on Turn My Way.Wouldn't listen to a Pumpkings album though.
Rock The Shack has got about as much life and passion as a Man U supporter celebrating a goal
I quite like the way the Alan Partridge backing vocals blend ;)
A-ha! Oh yeah. It's Corgan not Coogan
Music always divdes opinion and New Order fans are divided more than most!
The only thing we can all agree on is theat RTS should not have been on get Ready as in basic terms it is crap. It shoudl have been replaced with Here to Stay or one of the B sides from that time.
For what it is worth I like Get Ready. At the time of its release I was so pleased for one it was far better than their previus effort Reublic and for two it was New Order back together again.
Can't believe Turn My Way is getting slagged I love this track, but thats opinion for you only mine counts:)
Got the Pre-mix album on here at work the now. That was leaked a month or two before the album came out, complete with alternative names...I think this was all of em :
Primitive Notion was originally titled Runwild Someone Like You was Freefall Turn My Way was Shipwreck Player In The League was Field Run Wild was Full Circle Sabotage was Run This River Dry
Gotta say I don't think the album is half as bad as some of the rest of ye's....
Primitive Notion and Close Range are both great album tracks. Crystal is the best on the album and 60mph (esp David Kahne's 2nd mix) another good single, loved that video as well. Turn My Way is ok, I agree that Corgan's vocals were a wee bit fucked up, but I also agree with the Ger boy, he definitely added a bit extra to the live shows. I'm probably the only one on here that likes Rock The Shack, espescially the Lamacq version. All in all a decent album, a mix of pop, rock and dance. Slow Jam teeters on the awful, but the chorus is good. WFTSC is definitely a stronger album. Best craic about this period was the start of all the nutters posting on here and meeting up at gigs and drinking weekends in Derby, London & Manchester. It all went downhill from there 
Shug wrote: I'm probably the only one on here that likes Rock The Shack
Nah, Ive championed that song for ten years. Whats not to like? I think people hate it because it sounds nothing like New Order. No dated eighties bleeps and over-produced disco on that song.
RTS sounds like they were having fun in the studio alright (Or having a laugh) but I think TMY is the best song on the album, Billy Corgan is a talented musician (whatever about his voice)and it is for me let down by not by him but by the lines about Bernard not wanting to wash his car, I don't think Slow Jam has any redeeming features whatsoever. I seem to remember before GR was released that there was a rumour in the press that Moby was going to have some involvement..That might have yielded something interesting,couldn't have been any worse than RTS.
I don't know why, but I don't like Rock the Shack. It's not because it's rock-influenced; I like Regret, Who's Joe, Morning Night and Day...just that I don't like that sound of the song.
I used to dislike Primitive Notion, but I like it now.
Gene wrote:
Shug wrote: I'm probably the only one on here that likes Rock The Shack
Nah, Ive championed that song for ten years. Whats not to like? I think people hate it because it sounds nothing like New Order. No dated eighties bleeps and over-produced disco on that song.
I really like the session (for Radio One?) version they did at the time. Properly grrrrowled, so it did.
There, I've said it.
Why, when talking about GR and Sirens do people have to play the 'oh, it could've been so much better if they'd just stuck Here To Stay and this b-side and that remix on it' card every time? And then go on to create a fantasy tracklisting of said album?
I've never once heard anyone say just how facking brilliant Movement would've been if only they'd stuck Ceremony, EGG and Procession on it.
It is what it is and history can't rewrite that.
my own two cents...
"Get Ready" all in all is a fantastic album and maybe their best or, let's say, their most important. Not only did they manage to sound relevant again after the long hiatus, but also became quite influential to a new generation of bands. I think their lifetime legendary status owns a lot to this comeback album. Just listen to the middle 8s of 60mph or someone like you, the manic ending of Primitive Notion, the warmth of Run Wild and the heartbreaking hopelessness of Turn My Way - Barney's lyrics are often tongue-in-cheek but they get across the picture quite well. It just sounded very contemporary, one of the great albums of that era.
WFTSC on the other hand in my opinion is just their worst album. Most songs without a real emotion, and nearly each one is a pastiche of New Order elements of the past. It was their first album which just sounded like a band that tries to emulate a New Order-formula. The production is boring and sounded dated the day it came out, the synths seemed like presets straight out of the laptop. A downward spiral that continued with NCAT, although the initial songwriting maybe was a little bit more inspired on that one. Maybe they should have sticked with Steve Osbourne.
joe davola wrote: my own two cents...
"Get Ready" all in all is a fantastic album and maybe their best or, let's say, their most important. Not only did they manage to sound relevant again after the long hiatus, but also became quite influential to a new generation of bands. I think their lifetime legendary status owns a lot to this comeback album. Just listen to the middle 8s of 60mph or someone like you, the manic ending of Primitive Notion, the warmth of Run Wild and the heartbreaking hopelessness of Turn My Way - Barney's lyrics are often tongue-in-cheek but they get across the picture quite well. It just sounded very contemporary, one of the great albums of that era.
WFTSC on the other hand in my opinion is just their worst album. Most songs without a real emotion, and nearly each one is a pastiche of New Order elements of the past. It was their first album which just sounded like a band that tries to emulate a New Order-formula. The production is boring and sounded dated the day it came out, the synths seemed like presets straight out of the laptop. A downward spiral that continued with NCAT, although the initial songwriting maybe was a little bit more inspired on that one. Maybe they should have sticked with Steve Osbourne.
El Jarvo wrote: Why, when talking about GR and Sirens do people have to play the 'oh, it could've been so much better if they'd just stuck Here To Stay and this b-side and that remix on it' card every time? And then go on to create a fantasy tracklisting of said album?
Why not? It's a discussion forum. Might be a bit record collection geeky but some of us are like that, Al 
Why do people bother posting their dream set list etc? Similar type of thing, shirley? I think people don't do the same with Movement because back in those days singles really were singles I.e. proper standalone songs. Since Brotherhood-ish, New Order had been all sticking their singles on the albums. Here To Stay was the first "standalone" one they'd done since... erm, World In Motion?
I suppose also that the premix copies of Get Ready circulating just prior to release had all the b-sides, Here To Stay etc. included on them and that's what a few fans were listening to for months before it hit the shops. Then when it did hit the shops some tracks were missing plus Rock The Shack had been shoved into the running order.
But as you say, it is what it is...
I like both of the last two albums.
And I LOVE "Primitive Notion".
I think "Get Ready" is much better than "Republic"...
I wasnt on here when WFTSC was released but I imagine the Rock The Shack-haters also hated Working Overtime.
I liked that too. Again, something a bit different.
Jonny Donepoindatgunname wrote: Conduit's a feisty one, isn't (s)he?
You'll be right at home here.
Could be an aka...
Gene wrote: I wasnt on here when WFTSC was released but I imagine the Rock The Shack-haters also hated Working Overtime.
I liked that too. Again, something a bit different.
Working Overtime is in a totally different league of shitness compared to Rock The Shack which I can actually listen to.
why do people play that game? because they shoved some shit on the album and some much better songs hidden away on bsides.
I think everybody has compiled and resequenced their own version of Wet Freddie anyway.
It's a frustratingly patchy album though. Always has been. Like some people here I hate the wailing female vocals on every single track. What is it about bands from the 80s (of which New Order most definitely are!) always having to have female backing vocalists (usually black as well). Talk about cliched!!!
Crystal is a classic case of a great song ruined by female backing vocals.
Someone Like You's female vocals sound like Gillian actually (perhaps it is her - after all, she did sing on Avalanche.....)
However, in terms of how many tracks are dud, this is still a better ratio than on Republic which has five good songs and six boring ones.
Tracks that are good:
Crystal Turn My Way Vicious Streak Close Range
Tracks that are okay but nothing special:
60 MPH Primitive Notion Run Wild
Tracks that are "meh":
Someone Like You Slow Jam
Tracks that suck:
Rock The Shack
everyoneverywhere wrote:
Gene wrote: I wasnt on here when WFTSC was released but I imagine the Rock The Shack-haters also hated Working Overtime.
I liked that too. Again, something a bit different.
Working Overtime is in a totally different league of shitness compared to Rock The Shack which I can actually listen to.
Sounds like Im not a proper fan. I dont get why people rave about Brutal, fer instance. Always sounds like a half-arsed Electronic B-Side to me. And I prefer Movement to PC&L - that says it all.
Sounds like a poll coming on Whats better Rock the Shack or Working Overtime. I prefer Working Overtime although not literally, once work is done its done then I'm home to rock the shack.
By 'Eck! My Neck! wrote: What is it about bands from the 80s (of which New Order most definitely are!) always having to have female backing vocalists (usually black as well). Talk about cliched!!!
I guess we should be grateful there wasn't a sax solo...
Gene wrote: I dont get why people rave about Brutal, fer instance. Always sounds like a half-arsed Electronic B-Side to me.
Personally, I would rather Brutal sounded like a half-arsed Electronic b-side than a half-arsed Stooges reject. At least sounding like a half-arsed Electronic b-side it has some recognisable New Order DNA in there instead of them aping 70s garage rock. Badly.
Anyway, the debate rumbles on. Those two songs are the most divisive of fan opinion which is no bad thing... would be boring if we all loved exactly the same stuff.
