Truth? Rumour?

Hi,

I've been recently told by someone in the industry that NO had secretly re-formed and was in for a new album and a tour next Spring. Is that all bullshit or are they really hiding their cards well?

Archi

PS: no troll intended here

Archi wrote: Hi,

I've been recently told by someone in the industry that NO had secretly re-formed and was in for a new album and a tour next Spring. Is that all bullshit or are they really hiding their cards well?

Archi

PS: no troll intended here

I highly doubt that. Given all the quotes I've heard in interviews from both Hooky and Bernard over the past few years...I really really doubt that.

If its true I will publicly snog Rocket Mick.

Again.

Sounds like absolute bullshit to me, the level of animosity between Hooky and the rest seems to have actually got worse if anything, so it is very, very unlikely

Bullocks?

Well, Hooky has talked about putting out the 7 WFTSC 2.0 tracks, if that counts as a new album. Bernard seems disinterested in interviews about these unreleased stuff, acts like he doesn't know.

Hooky should be in decent financial shape unless the nightclub is sucking all the UP/Closer tour money down the drain. Hook's Freebass was basically aborted and ignored by everyone.

Bad Lt. was rumoured to have lost money but who knows... but Bernard claimed that a new Bad Lt. album was either almost finished or almost started, and may involve Stuart Price or the Stuart Price stuff may be separate from Bad Lt... and the Stuart Price stuff is either almost done or has never been started.

Other Two is supposed to be active, but Steve will go whichever way they blow him, reportedly. Gillian said that Hooky was horrible, and it doesn't sound like Steve is on good terms with Hooky either.

So unless they are broke and getting together for some festival shows purely for the cash opportunity, it would seem unlikely.

Archi wrote:

I've been recently told by someone in the industry....

Who? What industry? Pottery?

Gene wrote:

Archi wrote:

I've been recently told by someone in the industry....

Who? What industry? Pottery?

The gossip industry?

Bad Lieu may have lost money, but didn't Barney say it cost £30,000 to make the BL album against the £500-600k for WFTSC? Throw in the BL live dates and surely they can't have lost that much.

mostly truth , with a hint of rumour. the moneys all there, no new lp, just a greatest hits tour at a leisurely pace.

in the words of mrs.doyle from father ted, "ahhhg g'wan, g'wan, g'wan, it's got cocaine in it g'wan,g'wan,g'wan,"

0_o wrote: Steve will go whichever way they blow him, reportedly.

Oh dear.

(Yes, I'm 12.)

Jack should be able to put this one to bed, I doubt its true, would be nice though.

Seems like it's true(ish). Without Hooky it seems.

Tune into Radcliffe & Maconie at 1 O'clock (UK time) for an exclusive NO announcement.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/bbc\_6music

Do I still have to snog Rocket?

Two NO benfit gigs in Brussels, Ancienne Belgique on the 17th Oct. & Paris, Le Bataclan 18th for Michael Shamberg.

Gillian returns but no Hooky. Complimented by Phil C. & Tom Chapman

Dave Fox wrote: Seems like it's true(ish). Without Hooky it seems.

Tune into Radcliffe & Maconie at 1 O'clock (UK time) for an exclusive NO announcement.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/bbc\_6music

I wouldn't really consider it a true reunion, just...New Order minus Hooky plus Tom Chapman. But it's for charity for Michael Shamberg, right? Maybe this is as close to a reunion we can see.

How f$%#ing cool.

Wonder what Hooky's reaction will be?

Dennis

Major T wrote: Do I still have to snog Rocket?

Not behind the bike SHED

Major T wrote: Do I still have to snog Rocket?

He's probably puckering up right now.

Nothing anounced, but place holder URL's:

http://www.abconcerts.be/en/concerts/p/3 http://www.bataclan.fr/events.php

Dave Fox wrote:

Major T wrote: Do I still have to snog Rocket?

He's probably puckering up right now.

Nothing anounced, but place holder URL's:

http://www.abconcerts.be/en/concerts/p/3 http://www.bataclan.fr/events.php

Thanks

Does this count as New Order?

Gene wrote: Does this count as New Order?

The Darkness

Could be they came to an agreement, release the leftovers and you can use the name? I think hooky is enjoying himself enough not to care now, but it would be very nice if he joined them again.

or maybe they've come to an agreement whereby the other 3 aren't going to sue Hooky over touring the JD albums, if he lets them use the name ?! all speculation though, and who really cares. I'll be going regardless :)

Gene wrote: Does this count as New Order?

IMO?....No,it fookin' doesn't

Can 3/4 of the original line up and 1/4 of the 2.0 line up validate them continuing as New Order?

I think it can, and by the way I adore Hooky, been to several of his LIGHT-shows.

Rocket Mick wrote:

Gene wrote: Does this count as New Order?

The Darkness

Sadly, the current Darkness band features all the original members.

The Darkness - More legitimate than New Order. The worlds gone mad.

Basic maths:

New Order - Hooky + Chapman ≠ New Order

Then again:

New Order - Gillian + Phil Cunningham ≠ New Order, either

It could be argued that there are approx 4 incarnations of Neworder:

#1 - Hook, Morris, Sumner (1980 "from the Ashes Neworder") #2 - Gilbert, Hook, Morris, Sumner (1980-2001 "Neworder") #3 - Hook, Morris, Sumner, Cunningham (2001-2006 "Dadrock Neworder") #4 - Gilbert, Morris, Sumner, Cunningham, Chapman (2011-? "Charity Gig Neworder")

Only #2 constitues absolute Neworder but I'd be happy to watch any of them, particularly now Gillian's back.

Notes: Doesn't take into account numerous spats/breaks or occasional part-memberships. Term 'Dadrock' is used jovially.

Rorschach wrote: It could be argued that there are approx 4 incarnations of Neworder:

#1 - Hook, Morris, Sumner (1980 "from the Ashes Neworder") #2 - Gilbert, Hook, Morris, Sumner (1980-2001 "Neworder") #3 - Hook, Morris, Sumner, Cunningham (2001-2006 "Dadrock Neworder") #4 - Gilbert, Morris, Sumner, Cunningham, Chapman (2011-? "Charity Gig Neworder")

Only #2 constitues absolute Neworder but I'd be happy to watch any of them, particularly now Gillian's back.

Notes: Doesn't take into account numerous spats/breaks or occasional part-memberships. Term 'Dadrock' is used jovially.

Archi wrote: Hi,

I've been recently told by someone in the industry that NO had secretly re-formed and was in for a new album and a tour next Spring. Is that all bullshit or are they really hiding their cards well?

Archi

PS: no troll intended here

you definately know some people in the music industry who know some really good deep secrets.

So linus.. you booked yer tickets?

Or are you on drums?

linus sulanki wrote:

Archi wrote: Hi,

I've been recently told by someone in the industry that NO had secretly re-formed and was in for a new album and a tour next Spring. Is that all bullshit or are they really hiding their cards well?

Archi

PS: no troll intended here

you definately know some people in the music industry who know some really good deep secrets.

I always knew thet you are Steve Morris from MacClesfield :p

kel wrote:

Gene wrote: Does this count as New Order?

IMO?....No,it fookin' doesn't

just be grateful this isn't the Deep Purple fansite. they got upto Mark VII band in 1979... one in, ,one out, one out, one back in, in 34 years ain't bad. reminds me of that Horrible histories song about Henry VIII's wives, divorced, beheaded, died...not quite the same order...

"dadrock"

#1 - Hook, Morris, Sumner (1980 "from the Ashes Neworder") #2 - Gilbert, Hook, Morris, Sumner (1980-2001 "Neworder") #3 - Hook, Morris, Sumner, Cunningham (2001-2006 "Dadrock Neworder") #4 - Gilbert, Morris, Sumner, Cunningham, Chapman (2011-? "Charity Gig Neworder")

..or you could say

#1 - Hook, Morris, Sumner (1980 "from the Ashes Neworder") #2 - Gilbert, Hook, Morris, Sumner (1980-2001 "Neworder") #3 - Hook, Morris, Sumner, Cunningham, Corgan (summer 2001 live band) #4 - Hook, Morris, Sumner, Cunningham (2001-2006 "Dadrock Neworder") #5 - Gilbert, Morris, Sumner, Cunningham, Chapman (2011-? "Charity Gig Neworder")

johnny james wrote:

#1 - Hook, Morris, Sumner (1980 "from the Ashes Neworder") #2 - Gilbert, Hook, Morris, Sumner (1980-2001 "Neworder") #3 - Hook, Morris, Sumner, Cunningham (2001-2006 "Dadrock Neworder") #4 - Gilbert, Morris, Sumner, Cunningham, Chapman (2011-? "Charity Gig Neworder")

..or you could say

#1 - Hook, Morris, Sumner (1980 "from the Ashes Neworder") #2 - Gilbert, Hook, Morris, Sumner (1980-2001 "Neworder") #3 - Hook, Morris, Sumner, Cunningham, Corgan (summer 2001 live band) #4 - Hook, Morris, Sumner, Cunningham (2001-2006 "Dadrock Neworder") #5 - Gilbert, Morris, Sumner, Cunningham, Chapman (2011-? "Charity Gig Neworder")

Or version 6 if you include the brief period between Gillian leaving and touring with Corgan [essentially the 1.0 line-up]

Sorry couldn't resist

johnny james wrote:

#1 - Hook, Morris, Sumner (1980 "from the Ashes Neworder") #2 - Gilbert, Hook, Morris, Sumner (1980-2001 "Neworder") #3 - Hook, Morris, Sumner, Cunningham (2001-2006 "Dadrock Neworder") #4 - Gilbert, Morris, Sumner, Cunningham, Chapman (2011-? "Charity Gig Neworder")

..or you could say

#1 - Hook, Morris, Sumner (1980 "from the Ashes Neworder") #2 - Gilbert, Hook, Morris, Sumner (1980-2001 "Neworder") #3 - Hook, Morris, Sumner, Cunningham, Corgan (summer 2001 live band) #4 - Hook, Morris, Sumner, Cunningham (2001-2006 "Dadrock Neworder") #5 - Gilbert, Morris, Sumner, Cunningham, Chapman (2011-? "Charity Gig Neworder")

You might vey well, yes but I judged Billy to be a guest, not a member.
This is why I took care to say "approx" - I am aware of my peers on here! :D

everyoneverywhere wrote:

johnny james wrote:

#1 - Hook, Morris, Sumner (1980 "from the Ashes Neworder") #2 - Gilbert, Hook, Morris, Sumner (1980-2001 "Neworder") #3 - Hook, Morris, Sumner, Cunningham (2001-2006 "Dadrock Neworder") #4 - Gilbert, Morris, Sumner, Cunningham, Chapman (2011-? "Charity Gig Neworder")

..or you could say

#1 - Hook, Morris, Sumner (1980 "from the Ashes Neworder") #2 - Gilbert, Hook, Morris, Sumner (1980-2001 "Neworder") #3 - Hook, Morris, Sumner, Cunningham, Corgan (summer 2001 live band) #4 - Hook, Morris, Sumner, Cunningham (2001-2006 "Dadrock Neworder") #5 - Gilbert, Morris, Sumner, Cunningham, Chapman (2011-? "Charity Gig Neworder")

Or version 6 if you include the brief period between Gillian leaving and touring with Corgan [essentially the 1.0 line-up]

Sorry couldn't resist

Man, they all dressed so terribly in this period.

Jed Stephens wrote: Could be they came to an agreement, release the leftovers and you can use the name? I think hooky is enjoying himself enough not to care now, but it would be very nice if he joined them again.

linus sulanki wrote:

Archi wrote: Hi,

I've been recently told by someone in the industry that NO had secretly re-formed and was in for a new album and a tour next Spring. Is that all bullshit or are they really hiding their cards well?

Archi

PS: no troll intended here

you definately know some people in the music industry who know some really good deep secrets.

+1

Great fun to come back 3 days later and read the whole batch of comments in chronological order...

Archi wrote: Great fun to come back 3 days later and read the whole batch of comments in chronological order...

Cheers for the info, Archi. Although i do suspect you being in Paris might have given you a heads up, sir.

You could have been right, but in this occasion, I've been informed by chance in the mountain highs. It was a real question, though, as I had been told no date for the event. So it's quite funny they announced it 2 days after my post.

Sorry couldn't resist

All Steve is missing in that picture above - judging from his posture - is the maraccas.

I know Barney beat him to it in late 1988 on TOTP, and all that.....