Gillian Bernard Steve Phil and Tom Chapman....UPDATED

Two concerts in Belgium and Paris 17th and 18th Oct.More details to follow.

Cheers SKULLCRUSHED 05/09/11 Elizabeth Alker

New Order have announced they will play two live shows in Europe in October this year.

These will be the first New Order shows since November 2006 and they see Gillian Gilbert return to the band. Her first performance with New Order was in 1980 when the group played The Squat in Manchester.

The full line-up of the band for this outing includes Stephen Morris on drums, Bernard Sumner on vocals and guitar, Gillian Gilbert on keyboard and guitar, Phil Cunningham on guitar and keyboard and Tom Chapman on bass.

Conspicuously, there is no sign of Peter Hook in the line-up after his acrimonious split from the band in 2007. These gigs will be in Brussels, at the Ancienne Belgique, on the 17th of October and in Paris, at the La Bataclanon on the 18th of October. They are benefit shows in aid of the renowned artist and film producer Michael Shamberg. He produced several of New Order's music videos, including the Brit Award winning True Faith, Touched By The Hand Of God and Regret. Shamberg has been struggling with a debilitating illness since 2005.

Bernard Sumner explained why the band wanted to help him: "Michael has been with us from the very start. Initially he was in charge of Factory New York, then became creative producer for all our early videos.

He brought our attention to the early works of Directors such as Kathryn Bigelow, Gina Birch, Robert Breer, Peter Care and Phillipe Decouffle. Michael is very ill and needs constant medical attention. We want to help him, and these shows will contribute financial support towards his ongoing care."

Meanwhile Gillian Gilbert had this to say of her return: "It's been a long ten years since I took a break from the band, so I I'm really happy to be back, and this is a great place to start.

Michael is a very good friend, and I want to help him, so it's perfect timing for me to comeback now."

Be nice if they did somewhere in the UK too

Does that mean Phil on Bass Guitar,it must do.Unless Gillian wants to have a go at it..:)

cranelane wrote: Does that mean Phil on Bass Guitar,it must do.Unless Gillian wants to have a go at it..:)

I don't know ANYTHING more yet!Not even if PHIL will play!

Apparently Bernard, Steve, Gillian, Phil and Tom Chapman.

Hope they play the UK. This will piss Hooky right off probably.

blunt laser wrote: Apparently Bernard, Steve, Gillian, Phil and Tom Chapman.

Hope they play the UK. This will piss Hooky right off probably.

Thanks.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/news/20110905\_neworder.shtml

The band announce their first live shows since 2006

05/09/11
Elizabeth Alker

New Order have announced they will play two live shows in Europe in October this year.

These will be the first New Order shows since November 2006 and they see Gillian Gilbert return to the band. Her first performance with New Order was in 1980 when the group played The Squat in Manchester.

The full line-up of the band for this outing includes Stephen Morris on drums, Bernard Sumner on vocals and guitar, Gillian Gilbert on keyboard and guitar, Phil Cunningham on guitar and keyboard and Tom Chapman on bass.

Conspicuously, there is no sign of Peter Hook in the line-up after his acrimonious split from the band in 2007. These gigs will be in Brussels, at the Ancienne Belgique, on the 17th of October and in Paris, at the La Bataclanon on the 18th of October. They are benefit shows in aid of the renowned artist and film producer Michael Shamberg. He produced several of New Order's music videos, including the Brit Award winning True Faith, Touched By The Hand Of God and Regret. Shamberg has been struggling with a debilitating illness since 2005.

Bernard Sumner explained why the band wanted to help him: "Michael has been with us from the very start. Initially he was in charge of Factory New York, then became creative producer for all our early videos.

He brought our attention to the early works of Directors such as Kathryn Bigelow, Gina Birch, Robert Breer, Peter Care and Phillipe Decouffle. Michael is very ill and needs constant medical attention. We want to help him, and these shows will contribute financial support towards his ongoing care."

Meanwhile Gillian Gilbert had this to say of her return: "It's been a long ten years since I took a break from the band, so I I'm really happy to be back, and this is a great place to start.

Michael is a very good friend, and I want to help him, so it's perfect timing for me to comeback now."

I thought they couldn't use the name or continue under the name New Order any more because of Hooky? Or is this an exception because it's for charity?

leather_girl wrote: I thought they couldn't use the name or continue under the name New Order any more because of Hooky? Or is this an exception because it's for charity?

See D.Fox comments in TRUTH/RUMOUR

El Jarvo wrote: Oh, for crying out loud.

I've just booked the entire week off before this to go see Kraftwerk in Munchen with the Usual Suspects ... might mean New Order is a non-goer.

Chapman in for Hooky? Not really a fair swap now, is it?

Do you think they will play anymore gigs after these 2?

Skullcrushed wrote:

Meanwhile Gillian Gilbert had this to say of her return: "It's been a long ten years since I took a break from the band, so I I'm really happy to be back, and this is a great place to start.

Interesting qoute from G.G.

cranelane wrote:

Skullcrushed wrote:

Meanwhile Gillian Gilbert had this to say of her return: "It's been a long ten years since I took a break from the band, so I I'm really happy to be back, and this is a great place to start.

Interesting qoute from G.G.

That's what intrigued me too!

SHED wrote:

leather_girl wrote: I thought they couldn't use the name or continue under the name New Order any more because of Hooky? Or is this an exception because it's for charity?

See D.Fox comments in TRUTH/RUMOUR

I know Hooky's not going to be there...just I hope there are no troubles with the rest of them playing these gigs.

SHED wrote:

El Jarvo wrote: Oh, for crying out loud.

I've just booked the entire week off before this to go see Kraftwerk in Munchen with the Usual Suspects ... might mean New Order is a non-goer.

Chapman in for Hooky? Not really a fair swap now, is it?

Do you think they will play anymore?

Don't recall a song called anymore.

Fucking hell!!!!

They're going to promote the WFTSC leftovers album!

But why these countries? You know what's coming... ;)

Now I cannot fall asleep, it's 9 am here... But then... I won't even see them live there anyway... Good night.

SHED wrote:

cranelane wrote:

Skullcrushed wrote:

Meanwhile Gillian Gilbert had this to say of her return: "It's been a long ten years since I took a break from the band, so I I'm really happy to be back, and this is a great place to start.

Interesting qoute from G.G.

That's what intrigued me too!

Maybe she meant 'to start in music again', not necessarily New Order full time. For example, she hadn't been releasing music much since she left New Order (although I remember she and Stephen did that remix of Nine Inch Nails), and recently, The Other Two reformed, so maybe this year or so is a 'place to start' in music once again.

PHD wrote:

SHED wrote:

El Jarvo wrote: Oh, for crying out loud.

I've just booked the entire week off before this to go see Kraftwerk in Munchen with the Usual Suspects ... might mean New Order is a non-goer.

Chapman in for Hooky? Not really a fair swap now, is it?

Do you think they will play anymore?

Don't recall a song called anymore.

Very Droll...see amendment!

leather_girl wrote: I thought they couldn't use the name or continue under the name New Order any more because of Hooky? Or is this an exception because it's for charity?

That is a battle yet to be fought, both sides have been avoiding it so far. I expect this announcement will kick start potential action however.

johnny james wrote:

leather_girl wrote: I thought they couldn't use the name or continue under the name New Order any more because of Hooky? Or is this an exception because it's for charity?

That is a battle yet to be fought, both sides have been avoiding it so far. I expect this announcement will kick start potential action however.

Like I said above, I just hope there are no troubles (legal or anything else too) about these charity gigs.

johnny james wrote:

leather_girl wrote: I thought they couldn't use the name or continue under the name New Order any more because of Hooky? Or is this an exception because it's for charity?

That is a battle yet to be fought, both sides have been avoiding it so far. I expect this announcement will kick start potential action however.

The fact that they carried on as New Order after Gillian left could have set a precedent,but that was of course in different circumstances,is it a bit premature to be booking flights to Paris I wonder..

I don't get back from the US until 08.00 on the day of the second gig. After a bastard long two weeks of travelling out there. And Ryanair fly to Paris every day except a Tuesday. Baws.

Strange news, leads to excitement but still a bit strange.

Nice to see Gillian back on the frontline though.

Who's Tom Chapman?

I'm due to go to Germany two weeks after these shows. As I don't have the means to do two transatlantic trips in a month (hell, in a year), I'm going to miss this. I am a SAD PANDA.

Martijn wrote: Strange news, leads to excitement but still a bit strange.

Nice to see Gillian back on the frontline though.

Who's Tom Chapman?

The guy playing bass in Bad Lieutenant. (He is on the left.)

Fook me, I'm desperate for a ticket for the Belgium show. Any ideas when these go on sale?

Major T wrote: Be nice if they did somewhere in the UK too

Perhaps a warm up? Beginning of October would be nice.

PHD wrote:

Major T wrote: Be nice if they did somewhere in the UK too

Perhaps a warm up? Beginning of October would be nice.

Tatton Community Centre....i am the caretaker!

Fookin hell this is AMAZING news, totally unexpected. Great to see Gillian back, obviously not true NO without Hooky but beggars and all that.... Not sure if i can afford a european gig hopefully this will kick start a UK mini tour. If not and this is definitely a one off may have to take a trip abroard.

SHED wrote:

PHD wrote:

Major T wrote: Be nice if they did somewhere in the UK too

Perhaps a warm up? Beginning of October would be nice.

Tatton Community Centre....i am the caretaker!

Oh make your mind up. Yer livin' in the land of make believe.

PHD wrote:

SHED wrote:

PHD wrote:

Major T wrote: Be nice if they did somewhere in the UK too

Perhaps a warm up? Beginning of October would be nice.

Tatton Community Centre....i am the caretaker!

Oh make your mind up. Yer livin' in the land of make believe.

...very TWO faced!

Heard this yesterday and it did surprise me. I thought New Order didn't exist legally without any original member, but maybe because of Shamberg he's been forgiving.. :)

The good news is that they're playing gigs again, with Gillian. The band was never the same (especially live) after she left - it became a boy's club, much to the detriment of all.

I can live without Hook, though it would be much better if he was there. I can certainly also live without Phil Cunningham. I've never seen the point of this guy in any shape or form - to me he is not a New Order member and never will be. He added nothing to New Order. With Gillian back Phil becomes even more unnecessary than he was before.

Interesting times ahead!

Great news - and hopefully not the last of it.

Fantastic to have Gillian back. We're now back up to 3/4 of the proper Neworder.

Tom is an understandable fill for Hooky, who is happily pursuing other projects these days. And the rest of the band value Phil, so who am I to argue?

(Sad to hear about Michael Shamberg though.)

R.

Maybe they should call themselves THE DARKNESS I'll get my BULB

I think this is great that New Order is doing this, using this name, and all for a good cause for a friend. I think the line up is great too... Fantastic to have GG back, and rounding out the sound with Chapman and Phil, both talented players. Wish I could be there to see that.

As for Hook, I once enjoyed Hook's bass playing, but now I think it's not innovative at all, as it used to be. You can't go through life playing the same kind of thing, and expect to be on top or always be appreciated for it. Even fans on this forum are showcasing their own talent to play those same kind of basslines over other people's songs, so I don't think Hook is as necessary as the New Order purists may feel. Hook is a big personality on stage, but musically, that's it... He's somehow become just a personality in the later New Order gigs, armed with drumpads on the side. Good luck to him on continuing to tour the JD albums in the Fall; he's preoccupied already.

if anyone hasn't realized this, all this has happened before. Pink Floyd went through this, Fleetwood Mac went through this. And they were still Pink Floyd and the Mac. And they were still great.

I do think that Waiting for the Siren's Call (the song) and Crystal have great bass lines though.

Hooky wrote this 1 hour ago on twitter: “@peter_hook1: It's a shame that, I thought Bad Lieutenant weren't bad!” Thanks to Andres for this snippet.

Can't see much appetite for Hooky's touring act among promoters or fans after this announcement. Bit of a 'game changer' for him and not in a good way. It's easy to put bums on seats when there's no competition but now that it looks like a version of NO will be out and about again I can't see much interest in his proposed 'Movement', 'PCL' etc concept tours. I'd be a bit peeved if I was him but there ya go, Bernard et al are proving two can play that game as it were. You make your bed...

Not sure what i think about the whole NOv2 thing. I'll be there obviously (thanks to a complicated and expensive re-routing via Dublin) but a bit of me still thinks it should all just have been left as it was. Especially if it does turn into a 'Bucks Fizz' type debacle. How very un-New Order that would be.

GlasVegas wrote: Can't see much appetite for Hooky's touring act among promoters or fans after this announcement. Bit of a 'game changer' for him and not in a good way. It's easy to put bums on seats when there's no competition but now that it looks like a version of NO will be out and about again I can't see much interest in his proposed 'Movement', 'PCL' etc concept tours.

Interesting point. I know the primary motivation is Shamberg (and yes, I'm sorry to hear that he's ill), but I wouldn't be surprised if undermining Hooky's road show was a small part of the calculation.

Can I point out that I'm the first person to coin the completely wanky term 'NOv2' right here, today, on these forums. A lazy journalist lurks within me.

Do i win £40?

NotAMod wrote: It's like a friggin' soap opera this.

NotaRocker(et)

komakino wrote: Heard this yesterday and it did surprise me. I thought New Order didn't exist legally without any original member, but maybe because of Shamberg he's been forgiving.. :)

The good news is that they're playing gigs again, with Gillian. The band was never the same (especially live) after she left - it became a boy's club, much to the detriment of all.

I can live without Hook, though it would be much better if he was there. I can certainly also live without Phil Cunningham. I've never seen the point of this guy in any shape or form - to me he is not a New Order member and never will be. He added nothing to New Order. With Gillian back Phil becomes even more unnecessary than he was before.

Interesting times ahead!

you're right about Phil Cunningham, my sentiments exactly.

Eric Wang wrote: Good luck to him on continuing to tour the JD albums in the Fall;

MES sings decades

leather_girl wrote:

SHED wrote:

leather_girl wrote: I thought they couldn't use the name or continue under the name New Order any more because of Hooky? Or is this an exception because it's for charity?

See D.Fox comments in TRUTH/RUMOUR

I know Hooky's not going to be there...just I hope there are no troubles with the rest of them playing these gigs.

There must have been some sort of legal development that led to this happening. I mean it's no secret that when Hooky left Bernard and Steve wanted to continue along with the NO name but were dissuaded by the threat of legal action. Perhaps they have suddenly found some loop hole that allows them to use the name?

From Sabotage Times:

Eurostar here we come. New Order have announced plans to play two benefit concerts for long time band associate Michael Shamberg this October in Paris and Brussels. The line-up will feature founder members of the band Bernard Sumner and Stephen Morris and former keyboardist Gillian Gilbert who is married to drummer Morris. Former bass player Peter Hook, interviewed last week for Sabotage Times, will not be appearing and there’s no truth in the rumours the band are considering recruiting Rowetta on bass. Shamberg, who produced some of New order’s most stunning and genre defining videos including the Brit Award winning True Faith, Touched By The Hand of God and Regret has been extremely ill for some time. Gilbert said:

“It’s been a long ten years since I took a break from the band, so I’m really happy to be back, and this is a great place to start. Michael is a very good friend, and I want to help him, so it’s perfect timing to come back now!”

Vocalist Bernard explained the reason behind the concert as being something the band feel extremely strongly about:

“Michael has been with us from the very start, initially he was in charge of Factory New York, then became, creative producer for all our early videos. He brought our attention to the early works of Directors such as Kathryn Bigelow, Gina Birch, Robert Breer, Peter Care, Phillipe Decouffle, Jonathan Demme, Robert Frank, Paula Greiff, Robert Longo, Bailie Walsh & William Wegman. Michael is very ill and needs constant medical attention. We want to help him, and these shows will contribute financial support towards his ongoing care.”

The dates, their first live shows since November 2006, are:

17th October 2011- Ancienne Belgique -  Brussels
18th October 2011 – La Bataclan -  Paris

GlasVegas wrote: Can I point out that I'm the first person to coin the completely wanky term 'NOv2' right here, today, on these forums. A lazy journalist lurks within me.

Do i win £40?

new orther two

i'm going via dublin as will be there for the joy formidable gig the night before oh, except that's for the brussels gig

hmm, they have pre sales at the belgian venue, BDI one on now, so presumabl there will be one for new orther two?

yes g, i'm calling them that

edit - it;s not bdi, it's the other chuckle brothers band - high flying birds

GlasVegas wrote: Can I point out that I'm the first person to coin the completely wanky term 'NOv2' right here, today, on these forums. A lazy journalist lurks within me.

Do i win £40?

New Order version 2.0 has been around since 2000 when Gillian left and Phil joined

I would say New Order v3 is be more accurate

you can prove anything with facts jeff

Someone better wake up Spotnick from his coma.

Burt Burterson wrote: Someone better wake up Spotnick from his coma.

James Thomas wrote:

Eric Wang wrote: Good luck to him on continuing to tour the JD albums in the Fall;

MES sings decades

Ha, didnt mean that "Fall". Mark E Smith is fantastic though...

They should get Simon Gallup on bass, haha.

47 minutes in

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b0148tj5

RE/Member wrote: They should get Simon Gallup on bass, haha.

Better yet Flea!

At least he'd add some energy to the comatose set...

'Tis both a shame and a godsend... what else would you expect from this lot.

I hope hope hope they come to NYC at some point! I am so happy that Gillian will be back on Stage! More live synths! Actually, with Phil and Gillian onstage there will be a LOT of keyboards on the stage, and I am excited about that!

Wish Hooky were there as well, but he made the decision to quit the band so that's his loss, they have the right to continue.

For those of you that would argue that it's not New Order without Hooky....Gillian is just as much an important a part of New Order as Hooky. She brought a LOT to the table with her synth playing and the melodies that she wrote, and that was evident after she left. New Order wasn't all about Hooky's bass for me. When I first heard New Order, it was Bernard's voice, Gillian's synth melodies, and Steve's drumming that grabbed me and made me a fan. Then I noticed Hooky's bass.

Hooky was fantastic live of course, and his bass jamming brought a lot to the table. I am sure Tom Chapman will play Hooky's parts with nothing reverence and respect. Depeche Mode wasn't quite the same after Alan Wilder left, but Wilder's live replacement, Peter Gordeno, never tried to replace Alan onstage, he just played the parts awesomely and with respect. I suspect TC will do the same.

Best news ever in a pretty much lousy year! I just hope Hooky sees the light (pun intended...) and re-joins the band!

PS- By the way, any chance of altering the Paris date? I'll be in the City of Light in early October (from the 5th to the the 9th, to be more accurate...)

Skullcrushed wrote:

leather_girl wrote:

SHED wrote:

leather_girl wrote: I thought they couldn't use the name or continue under the name New Order any more because of Hooky? Or is this an exception because it's for charity?

See D.Fox comments in TRUTH/RUMOUR

I know Hooky's not going to be there...just I hope there are no troubles with the rest of them playing these gigs.

There must have been some sort of legal development that led to this happening. I mean it's no secret that when Hooky left Bernard and Steve wanted to continue along with the NO name but were dissuaded by the threat of legal action. Perhaps they have suddenly found some loop hole that allows them to use the name?

Maybe that the whole point of bringing Gillian back in is to make up 3/4 (or 4/5 now) of the band to use the NO legally?

Burt Burterson wrote: Someone better wake up Spotnick from his coma.

Agree. The site seems to be a major source for anyone who's interested in New Order. I mean, for an outsider to know what's new is practically impossible now, unless he or she would surf the forums. It comlpetely missed the release of Total on the front page, for example. The label was not amused, I would guess.

Hooky's bass parts aren't hard to play but let's face it, no-one can fuck up a synth part with as much charm as Gillian

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Burt Burterson wrote: Someone better wake up Spotnick from his coma.

Agree. The site seems to be a major source for anyone who's interested in New Order. I mean, for an outsider to know what's new is practically impossible now, unless he or she would surf the forums. It comlpetely missed the release of Total on the front page, for example. The label was not amused, I would guess.

I doubt the label gives a monkeys. If they would help fund it, then I'm sure Spotnick would be on the case pretty quick. Perhaps they have a good reason now for a 'donation'?

two relatively small venues, if everyone on here turns up, there'll be no locals at all. my mate liz alker did the press release. should know better that it's 'Le Bataclan'... watching City vs Villareal on the Tuesday :(

spare a thought for Yuck, scheduled to play ancienne, the same day.

I'll not spare a thought for Yuck, it won't make any difference to them. They will still play their small room as scheduled whilst NO take th emain hall. I doubt many(any) NO fans would be seeing 'Yuck' in any case so no damage done. :)

Jeffari-al-Texani wrote:

cranelane wrote:

johnny james wrote:

leather_girl wrote: I thought they couldn't use the name or continue under the name New Order any more because of Hooky? Or is this an exception because it's for charity?

That is a battle yet to be fought, both sides have been avoiding it so far. I expect this announcement will kick start potential action however.

The fact that they carried on as New Order after Gillian left could have set a precedent,but that was of course in different circumstances,is it a bit premature to be booking flights to Paris I wonder..

didn't Steve, Bernard and Hooky work as new order BEFORE Gillian?

Yes but Gillian never seemed to say 'I might sue you if you continue as New Order without me', when she left the band. On the other hand, I think there was a threat to sue from Hooky when Hooky left, if New Order had continued with Steve, Bernard, and Phil. (Of course I think it's a bit unrealistic of Hooky to sue in this case, as it's a few gigs for charity.)

leather_girl wrote:

Jeffari-al-Texani wrote:

cranelane wrote:

johnny james wrote:

leather_girl wrote: I thought they couldn't use the name or continue under the name New Order any more because of Hooky? Or is this an exception because it's for charity?

That is a battle yet to be fought, both sides have been avoiding it so far. I expect this announcement will kick start potential action however.

The fact that they carried on as New Order after Gillian left could have set a precedent,but that was of course in different circumstances,is it a bit premature to be booking flights to Paris I wonder..

didn't Steve, Bernard and Hooky work as new order BEFORE Gillian?

Yes but Gillian never seemed to say 'I might sue you if you continue as New Order without me', when she left the band/. On the other hand, I think there was a threat to sue from Hooky when Hooky left, if New Order had continued with Steve, Bernard, and Phil. (Of course I think it's a bit unrealistic of Hooky to sue in this case, as it's a few gigs for charity.)

Um... her husband is the drummer in that band so to sue them, is to sue him and all that...

Burt Burterson wrote: Someone better wake up Spotnick from his coma.

This chubby little Mexican might actually get to yell the oh's in temptation and sing along to ceremony for the first time. Just like the thousands who seem to have taken it for granted.

Great news indeed.

cranelane wrote:

Skullcrushed wrote:

Meanwhile Gillian Gilbert had this to say of her return: "It's been a long ten years since I took a break from the band, so I I'm really happy to be back, and this is a great place to start.

Interesting qoute from G.G.

I know!!! :)

Burt Burterson wrote: Someone better wake up Spotnick from his coma.

And Tim Jauncey too

Need to persuade my boss to set me free for these two gigs in October. Oh fook! What shall I say to my wife???

Don't get your hopes up too high... http://www.spex.de/2011/09/05/musik-news-new-order-live-2011-michael-shamberg/

From the last part of the article:

*UPDATE: »Nicht in Deutschland« müssen wir wohl in »vielleicht bald in Deutschland« umschreiben. Bernard Sumner ließ in Reaktion auf den Artikel erfreulicher Weise verlauten: »We want to see how these gigs go, if they go well then there will be more next year. And playing in Germany is very possible.«

leather_girl wrote: Don't get your hopes up too high... http://www.spex.de/2011/09/05/musik-news-new-order-live-2011-michael-shamberg/

From the last part of the article:

*UPDATE: »Nicht in Deutschland« müssen wir wohl in »vielleicht bald in Deutschland« umschreiben. Bernard Sumner ließ in Reaktion auf den Artikel erfreulicher Weise verlauten: »We want to see how these gigs go, if they go well then there will be more next year. And playing in Germany is very possible.«

What? You prompted the exact opposite reaction

leather_girl wrote: Don't get your hopes up too high... http://www.spex.de/2011/09/05/musik-news-new-order-live-2011-michael-shamberg/

From the last part of the article:

*UPDATE: »Nicht in Deutschland« müssen wir wohl in »vielleicht bald in Deutschland« umschreiben. Bernard Sumner ließ in Reaktion auf den Artikel erfreulicher Weise verlauten: »We want to see how these gigs go, if they go well then there will be more next year. And playing in Germany is very possible.«

That's good news indeed! Bernd, Daniel and Norbert, is there a small room in house where I can sleep for a few hours?

They should be called Ice Cubes or Show Room Dummies indeed.

Get in there! I've proper missed New Order....didn't realise how much til I saw the news yesterday

Julie wrote: Get in there! I've proper missed New Order....didn't realise how much til I saw the news yesterday

Hiya Julie, its Mike from Cheshire, will you and Rosie be coming to any of these shows? :)

Peter Hook's response via twitter: "It's a shame that, I thought Bad Lieutenant weren't bad!" Read about it Here

Big Mouth Julio wrote:

Burt Burterson wrote: Someone better wake up Spotnick from his coma.

And Tim Jauncey too

Need to persuade my boss to set me free for these two gigs in October. Oh fook! What shall I say to my wife???

Do what I do, say you are treating her to a romantic trip to Paris.

Big Mouth Julio wrote:

leather_girl wrote: Don't get your hopes up too high... http://www.spex.de/2011/09/05/musik-news-new-order-live-2011-michael-shamberg/

From the last part of the article:

*UPDATE: »Nicht in Deutschland« müssen wir wohl in »vielleicht bald in Deutschland« umschreiben. Bernard Sumner ließ in Reaktion auf den Artikel erfreulicher Weise verlauten: »We want to see how these gigs go, if they go well then there will be more next year. And playing in Germany is very possible.«

That's good news indeed! Bernd, Daniel and Norbert, is there a small room in house where I can sleep for a few hours?

You're welcome. But you know the gigs are in Bruxelles and Paris, don't you?

everyoneverywhere wrote:

GlasVegas wrote: Can I point out that I'm the first person to coin the completely wanky term 'NOv2' right here, today, on these forums. A lazy journalist lurks within me.

Do i win £40?

New Order version 2.0 has been around since 2000 when Gillian left and Phil joined

I would say New Order v3 is be more accurate

I make it New Order v5 actually, if you think about it.

RE/Member wrote: They should get Simon Gallup on bass, haha.

Of course wiithout Hooky, this fourth incarnation of New Order could always start work on a new album to be titled "Republic Too"

:p :p :p

confusion wrote: You're welcome. But you know the gigs are in Bruxelles and Paris, don't you?

"And playing in Germany is very possible."

Sorted!

This is NEW ORDER as far as I'm concerned. Hooky's a legend, but one member missing out of a foursome doesn't mean they can't still go under that name. Bring it on :D

Well i have got a passport and some tickets for Paris.Am i goin to have the bottle to leave Chorley?Doubts even HERE!

Advice for Tom; stand well out of range of hurtling beer cans and maybe wear a helmet.

Respeck doo.

Over at PeterHook.co.uk, Hooky has responded to the recent best wishes of the fans. "This is great news and I want to say a huge thank you to all the fans who have contacted me so quickly to express their disappointment at buying tickets for a “New Order” line-up which didn’t feature myself. I have told them it's a great cause, raising money for Michael Schamberg's ongoing medical support has my full support" Peter Hook Sept ‘11

Well done

Rocket Mick wrote: Over at PeterHook.co.uk, Hooky has responded to the recent best wishes of the fans. "This is great news and I want to say a huge thank you to all the fans who have contacted me so quickly to express their disappointment at buying tickets for a “New Order” line-up which didn’t feature myself. I have told them it's a great cause, raising money for Michael Schamberg's ongoing medical support has my full support" Peter Hook Sept ‘11

Well done

But it's unfortunate that this wasn't his initial response.

Sadly, "full support" doesn't mean he's now playing bass instead of Chappy. It doesn't even mean The Light are the support act. It probably means he has no legal recourse to stop it.

Let the healing begin?

Andy wrote:

Rocket Mick wrote: Over at PeterHook.co.uk, Hooky has responded to the recent best wishes of the fans. "This is great news and I want to say a huge thank you to all the fans who have contacted me so quickly to express their disappointment at buying tickets for a “New Order” line-up which didn’t feature myself. I have told them it's a great cause, raising money for Michael Schamberg's ongoing medical support has my full support" Peter Hook Sept ‘11

Well done

But it's unfortunate that this wasn't his initial response.

Sadly, "full support" doesn't mean he's now playing bass instead of Chappy. It doesn't even mean The Light are the support act. It probably means he has no legal recourse to stop it.

Let the healing begin?

I actually thought the 'great news' for Hooky was all the fans reaching out to him. Did I read that wrong?

I don't think this means the band relationship has started to heal though.

Rocket Mick wrote: Over at PeterHook.co.uk, Hooky has responded to the recent best wishes of the fans. "This is great news and I want to say a huge thank you to all the fans who have contacted me so quickly to express their disappointment at buying tickets for a “New Order” line-up which didn’t feature myself. I have told them it's a great cause, raising money for Michael Schamberg's ongoing medical support has my full support" Peter Hook Sept ‘11

Well done

lol.. worra loada bollocks. I wanna see one of those emails. Just one! As if they didn't know.

Hooky really needs a proper press officer.

leather_girl wrote: I don't think this means the band relationship has started to heal though.

Lost in translation.

I put a question mark to suggest that they're not healing. Hooky's just saying the right thing because he's realised this battle has been lost.

The statement can be interpreted as ticketholders were being duped into buying New Order concert tickets under the assumption that Hooky was involved. He then must explain that it's for a good cause so he's all for it.

Andy wrote: The statement can be interpreted as ticketholders were being duped into buying New Order concert tickets under the assumption that Hooky was involved. He then must explain that it's for a good cause so he's all for it.

The show poster and all the concert promotional materials (which are all over the Bataclan and Ancienne websites) have the specific participants listed in huge font on it. I really hope Hooky's not seriously claiming that people were confused as to his participation in the event...

Andy wrote:

leather_girl wrote: I don't think this means the band relationship has started to heal though.

Lost in translation.

I put a question mark to suggest that they're not healing. Hooky's just saying the right thing because he's realised this battle has been lost.

The statement can be interpreted as ticketholders were being duped into buying New Order concert tickets under the assumption that Hooky was involved. He then must explain that it's for a good cause so he's all for it.

Thank you for explaining.

Burt Burterson wrote:

Rocket Mick wrote: Over at PeterHook.co.uk, Hooky has responded to the recent best wishes of the fans. "This is great news and I want to say a huge thank you to all the fans who have contacted me so quickly to express their disappointment at buying tickets for a “New Order” line-up which didn’t feature myself. I have told them it's a great cause, raising money for Michael Schamberg's ongoing medical support has my full support" Peter Hook Sept ‘11

Well done

lol.. worra loada bollocks. I wanna see one of those emails. Just one! As if they didn't know.

Hooky really needs a proper press officer.

Now now Bertie

Big Mouth Julio wrote:

Burt Burterson wrote: Someone better wake up Spotnick from his coma.

And Tim Jauncey too

Need to persuade my boss to set me free for these two gigs in October. Oh fook! What shall I say to my wife???

See BCD Joy Division thread.