New Order Live - October 2011 Thread.

The Paradise Man wrote:

Because he can actually play the guitar?

So, without Hooky, can we expect Barney to be indulged with the electronic side of New Order?

EGG 1963 Vanishing Point

I'd be happy with 2 of those 3

Really this all isn't any different from all the other dinosaur bands playing their old tracks to a middle aged audience. Sad. But I suppose there are two dinosaur bands now, so people will have twice the opportunity. Hopefully The Light won't want to use the Joy Division name now. And if 3/4 of New Order play on, won't that put a damper on the Hooky New Order album redux? Probably this is all still a bitter chess game between Bernard and Hooky... while there is still something to fight over.

Actually a .75%New Order doesn't sound all that bad if it puts the sad Bad Lieu out of it's misery.

Jed Stephens wrote: Am I the only person wondering why they couldn't have done this for Tony Wilson?

Yes, but I remember there was a talk about NO taking part in a ceremony dedicated to Wilson's memory, i.e. after he died. They decided not to be invloved as a band. Maybe not enough time had passed and they didn't feel like playing fun music even in his honor, especially in the blighted state the band was in at the time.

To close the morbid subject, I wonder if they could have raised money for Shamberg some other way, without playing live. I mean, it's only 2 gigs. There must be something else too... And why in the world in places like Brussels and Paris...

mark reed wrote:

It's solely for a charitable cause, for now.

I've seen bands reform for a one-off charitable show, that then becomes a 40 date world tour of mega-arenas with a whole bunch of cash as the reason.

This is in no way to denigrate the importance or severity of Shamberg's condition or the efforts of the band to raise money to help. I wish him the best.

Come on, this is Barney we're talking about, he never did a 40 date world tour back in his prime so it's not going to happen any time soon! I can certainly see the odd extra live date being announced, but nothing that over the top.

I think there are probably several motivations for what they've decided to do:

1. They genuinely wanted to help out Michael Shamberg. Not that farfetched, they didn't want to see an old friend succumb to a debilitating illness after what happened to Tony Wilson and others.

2. They wanted to piss Hooky off. Sure, it probably wasn't all pure altruism. The level of animosity between the two parties has never been higher and Hooky's touring of the JD albums seems to have been the final straw for Barney Steve and the rest. They wanted to prove two could play at that game.

3. They're just continuing what they initially planned to do back in 2007. It was no secret back then that they planned to carry on under the New Order name but were dissuaded by Hooky's threats of legal action. Perhaps if he hadn't made those threats, NCAT could have been a New Order album. Who knows? But something in the legal situation must have changed for them to suddenly be able to pick up the name when they wouldn't four years ago. Some kind of loophole they've picked up on maybe?

Whatever the case I don't really have a problem with what they're doing, just as I've never really had a problem with what Hooky's been doing. I'd rather they all continue to be active and involved in music that slowly petering out. However Hooky must have done something really bad to piss the rest of them off that bad. Strange how Barney, Steve, Phil, Gillian, old New Order management, old New Order road crew etc etc have continued to work together on Bad Lieutenant and now New New Order, while Hooky has been something of a lone rebel all the time.

Interestingly, I wonder what has become of the new Bad Lieutenant album supposedly in the works? A New Order release in 2012 perhaps? Time Will Tell.

Since it's not an album-backing gig, they should really throw some interesting and challenging songs in to the setlist. Like they did in 1998 with Joy Division songs. Put some awesome Low-Life tracks, songs like Thieves Like Us, Confusion.

I would prefer them to play less Joy Division (maybe She's Lost Control or Heart & Soul). I'd be even ok with zero JD material in the setlist. I think Joy Division got its due well in 98-06.

mark reed wrote:

It's solely for a charitable cause, for now.

I've seen bands reform for a one-off charitable show, that then becomes a 40 date world tour of mega-arenas with a whole bunch of cash as the reason.

I highly doubt this would become a huge tour---New Order haven't got any new songs they could play (unless we're talking about those unreleased WFTSC). It just isn't very likely in New Order's case. And maybe while Hooky might let them play together under the New Order name for a few charity gigs, I doubt he'd like it or allow it to become a huge tour or a permanent reformation. So I'm not cynical about the situation.

Housey wrote:

Ben wrote: And was it New Order without Gillian?

See, this is my issue. The NO Facebook announcement has all these people hollering that IT'S NOT NEW ORDER WITHOUT HOOKY, and that's a fair point, but when Gillian left, you didn't hear a huge outcry that IT WASN'T NEW ORDER. Granted, the circumstances of Gillian leaving are VERY different from Hooky's (in other words, she wasn't going to sue them for continuing as "New Order"), but I don't get how Hooky is so much more integral to New Order than Gillian is. If anything, the past few years have shown that she did a lot more during the 80's than make the damn tea.

Agreed. I'm noticing that too on Twitter posts and some people are saying 'I'm not going because Hooky's not there', or 'It's not New Order without Hooky'. Then again, I never heard of Gillian threatening legal action if the other three continued under the name New Order (or even added a replacement- Phil), but when Hooky left, he seemed to imply/say that maybe legal action could happen if Stephen, Bernard & Phil continued as New Order.

Hooky might be tempted to turn up , 45 euros a ticket!!! On sale 10 am on the 9th sep. Paris

Glad to see the forum is back in full swing..

leather_girl wrote:

mark reed wrote:

It's solely for a charitable cause, for now.

I've seen bands reform for a one-off charitable show, that then becomes a 40 date world tour of mega-arenas with a whole bunch of cash as the reason.

I highly doubt this would become a huge tour---New Order haven't got any new songs they could play (unless we're talking about those unreleased WFTSC). It just isn't very likely in New Order's case. And maybe while Hooky might let them play together under the New Order name for a few charity gigs, I doubt he'd like it or allow it to become a huge tour or a permanent reformation. So I'm not cynical about the situation.

..never say never dear.. ;)

45 'ckin Euros? and in Paris?

hmmm.

Brussels. Pre Sale 9th Sept - 10am. €42.

http://www.abconcerts.be/en/concerts/p/detail/new-order-17-10-2011

Some info on the Bataclan...Link

|| | ||| 6217|| 8 || 3 wrote: Since it's not an album-backing gig, they should really throw some interesting and challenging songs in to the setlist.

As it's for Shamberg, maybe some of the songs he was involved with producing the videos?

Not sure which they are. Anyone got a list?

Zachery Starkey wrote:

Ben wrote:

phillip lockhart wrote: ....BUT its not New Order without Hooky....end of..

And was it New Order without Gillian?

Exactly.

Gillian was just as important to New Order's sound as Hooky. I liked Gillian's synths before I liked Hooky's bass.

Hooky quit. They other want to continue. He made his decision.

Are you serious?

No UK, why? Cause of Hooky's protests reasons???

Big Mouth Julio wrote: No UK, why? Cause of Hooky's protests reasons???

They divided the globe accordingly. New Order were left with a few countries here and there :)

ewok wrote: Brussels. Pre Sale 9th Sept - 10am. €42.

What does "pre-sale" mean???????

Is it direct from venue before it goes to agents?

Big Mouth Julio wrote:

Zachery Starkey wrote:

Ben wrote:

phillip lockhart wrote: ....BUT its not New Order without Hooky....end of..

And was it New Order without Gillian?

Exactly.

Gillian was just as important to New Order's sound as Hooky. I liked Gillian's synths before I liked Hooky's bass.

Hooky quit. They other want to continue. He made his decision.

Are you serious?

I sure am. Hard for you to comprehend that Hooky isn't the only reason some people love New Order, isn't it?

Dave Fox wrote:

|| | ||| 6217|| 8 || 3 wrote: Since it's not an album-backing gig, they should really throw some interesting and challenging songs in to the setlist.

As it's for Shamberg, maybe some of the songs he was involved with producing the videos?

Not sure which they are. Anyone got a list?

According to the interview on the 316 DVD [which Shamberg himself filmed] True Faith, TBTHOG & Regret. Not sure if there are any others.

everyoneverywhere wrote:

Dave Fox wrote:

|| | ||| 6217|| 8 || 3 wrote: Since it's not an album-backing gig, they should really throw some interesting and challenging songs in to the setlist.

As it's for Shamberg, maybe some of the songs he was involved with producing the videos?

Not sure which they are. Anyone got a list?

According to the interview on the 316 DVD [which Shamberg himself filmed] True Faith, TBTHOG & Regret. Not sure if there are any others.

He did produce and worked on nearly every New Order's videos. For more infos, you should read THIS

Jeffari-al-Texani wrote:

Ben wrote:

phillip lockhart wrote: ....BUT its not New Order without Hooky....end of..

And was it New Order without Gillian?

erm...it was New Order before Giliian joined up..DUH

Yeah but she joined within 6 months of the formation of the band and was there when it (they) mattered,by the way if Peter Hook has only a 20% say in New Order decisions now does that mean Phil Cunningham has an equal say..

Possibly touring as New order in Brussels/paris to avoid british legals, (Hooky would have to instigate procedings abroad,, when hese, well abroad).. If this is true I may well be tempted,, and yes this time Neworder only.... not even Love will tear us apart........cmon.

were changing our ways.

Studio Parris Wakefield just revealed the poster for the October gig:

Very simple and easy to understand poster...