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Hooky Spinner Interview

And the happiest moment in Bernard's life, as I recall, musically, was when Gillian left. So he must actually hate me more than he f---ing hates Gillian, because there's the biggest contradiction in terms I've ever seen in me f---ing life! Did Bernard and Gillian differ about musical direction? She's not a very good musician, I'm afraid, and she didn't add that much to the band. It was a problem with both of us. We were very happy when she left.

Holy. Fucking. Shit.

the burly bassist

Did Bernard and Gillian differ about musical direction?

She's not a very good musician, I'm afraid, and she didn't add that much to the band. It was a problem with both of us. We were very happy when she left. And personally I thought New Order Mark 2 were far superior to New Order Mark 1, but that's life, isn't it? Everyone's entitled to their opinion, aren't they?

Aside from the nastiness there, he's basically saying New Order after Gillian left (which produced 2 albums, one of which he hated doing) were better than the New Order before, the one that created all those amazing albums? Come on, Hooky...

this is starting to get interesting...

I don't believe Hooky said any of this. It sounds like a load of bollocks.

Hooky's given too many interviews for this to be a journo reinterpretation. It follows a familiar thread.

I know Bernard might have been a diva at times, but I also think for a lead singer/songwriter he was/is rather gracious. He's never gone off in interviews the way Hooky does. I just can't see him disparaging Gillian's musical ability once they fully got into sequencers, etc. She might not have been a top guitarist, but that didn't stop them.

Tarbox23 wrote: this is starting to get interesting...

I don't know about interesting... Uncomfortable? Downright sad? I mean threatening to fuck people over?

Snorri xxx

Bad Order or New Lieutenant

CLASSIC!!!!

If shes such a shit musician does that mean Steve did the Other Two music entirely by himself? Nah, not buying it.

Particularly nice comments when you bear in mind the reasons Gillian decided she had to leave.

I think this is getting close to loony territory, which is quite sad. Alcoholism is a massive problem, but there's only so much that can be explained by it. I'm thinking these comments constitute an irreversible 'shat in the nest' moment.

I think he is flat out wrong that there is no difference between The Light play nothing-but-JD and a BL set with a few JD tracks.

It is very disappointing and sad. If you are reading this, please stop Hooky.

aysie aysie wrote: Particularly nice comments when you bear in mind the reasons Gillian decided she had to leave.

Well, quite. What a fucking mess. No winners.

aysie aysie wrote: Particularly nice comments when you bear in mind the reasons Gillian decided she had to leave.

Good point.

Waz wrote: Did Bernard and Gillian differ about musical direction?

She's not a very good musician, I'm afraid, and she didn't add that much to the band. It was a problem with both of us. We were very happy when she left. And personally I thought New Order Mark 2 were far superior to New Order Mark 1, but that's life, isn't it? Everyone's entitled to their opinion, aren't they?

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Aside from the nastiness there, he's basically saying New Order after Gillian left (which produced 2 albums, one of which he hated doing) were better than the New Order before, the one that created all those amazing albums? Come on, Hooky...

.. Is Hooky delusional or getting senile? After each interview I read I can't decide

Well that says it all about the man as far as I am concerned - Bitter, twisted and not prepared to look at things from everyones angle. Re the movement comments, they stole the name back - what a cunt

And by the way - didn't he sneak away the Hacienda trademark claiming no one else was bothered about it?? So he's right - what goes around comes around!

He also need to get his head around the fact that a wider tour will sell out - why - because Bernard wrote the songs and Bernard sings the songs. He mentions New Order with him and not Bernard - is he having a laugh

El Jarvo wrote: what on earth was he thinking here -

"And personally I thought New Order Mark 2 were far superior to New Order Mark 1"

And then he adds that WFTSC (by New Order Mark 2) was shit.

Are we being wound up here?

As I've said on the other side - NO MkIII's only reaction to this is to play What Do You Want From Me in Paris.

Freaking hell... I think he's saying those things on purpose to wind them up, to hurt them the way he feels he's hurt. If not, then I have serious questions...

Come on, Peter, the 1981-1993 years were the best for the band. To deny that is to deny yourself. Making GR and WftSC may have felt more comfortable financially, but...

I agree, though, that recording an album for three years is an excessive indulgence.

oh and btw, New Order II (or is it III?) are coming to the USA!

How taciturn and secretive Bernard & Co are about everything what is going on! Like in those damn early days.

BUT seriously, they need a damn good manager, a psycho able to sort the shit out.

El Jarvo wrote:

The Paradise Man wrote: I don't believe Hooky said any of this. It sounds like a load of bollocks.

I know, what on earth was he thinking here -

"And personally I thought New Order Mark 2 were far superior to New Order Mark 1"

If you cut out all the anger he is actually telling the bleeding obvious. Apart from mark 2 being better than mark 1...!

The Paradise Man wrote:

El Jarvo wrote:

The Paradise Man wrote: I don't believe Hooky said any of this. It sounds like a load of bollocks.

I know, what on earth was he thinking here -

"And personally I thought New Order Mark 2 were far superior to New Order Mark 1"

If you cut out all the anger he is actually telling the bleeding obvious. Apart from mark 2 being better than mark 1...!

So is it "a load of bollocks" or "actually telling the bleeding obvious" in your eyes?

CTB wrote:

The Paradise Man wrote:

El Jarvo wrote:

The Paradise Man wrote: I don't believe Hooky said any of this. It sounds like a load of bollocks.

I know, what on earth was he thinking here -

"And personally I thought New Order Mark 2 were far superior to New Order Mark 1"

If you cut out all the anger he is actually telling the bleeding obvious. Apart from mark 2 being better than mark 1...!

So is it "a load of bollocks" or "actually telling the bleeding obvious" in your eyes?

All will be revealed. This is great, at least we are hearing the truth (the Hooky account) about their working relationship. I can't fooking wait for the book.. Go Hooky go...!

Go Hooky! Keep shitting all over Gillian! Awesome! That bitch totally has it coming!

NotAMod wrote:

The Paradise Man wrote:

CTB wrote: So is it "a load of bollocks" or "actually telling the bleeding obvious" in your eyes?

All will be revealed. This is great, at least we are hearing the truth (the Hooky account) about their working relationship. I can't fooking wait for the book.. Go Hooky go...!

Wow, a big change from:

The Paradise Man wrote: I don't believe Hooky said any of this. It sounds like a load of bollocks.

What changed your mind, Paradise Man? In 12 hours?

Hilarious bloody hilarious.

You plonker. I think the clue was in the words "All will be revealed". The jury is out. Bollocks if it isn't true, but very interesting if it is.