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El Jarvo wrote:

Zachery Starkey wrote: Always thought Public Image Ltd was a great band name, this wouldn't be far off, haha.

Without Hooky's bass-playing, maybe they should just make do with Limited Order?

Haha, touche!

Simon Simpson wrote: This is interesting...

New Order Limited Formed - 4th April 2011

Shareholders

Bernard Sumner, Stephen Paul David Morris and Gillian Lesley Morris.

Shares issued - 28th July 2011

Hmmm. Interesting.

Reminds me of my old Substance poster from 1987 that had in teeny letters in the corner "copyright 1987 by New Order, Inc." When I noticed it, it was like I was immediately disabused of any romantic punk ideals I had. "OH MY GOD, THEY'RE A COMPANY?!"

you shouldnt criticise a fellow musicians playing in public hooky, especially when you come from an ethos of doing things yourself and learning to play from scratch. its not a particularly classy thing to do.

People say bernard sumner is a control freak? There is nothing wrong with that in a group when your control freak is largely responsible for writing hit records. Generally in a band if you have a situation of someone being pissed all the time, not rehearsing or contributing little or nothing to the group someone has to take matters by the scruff of the neck and produce something or the whole thing falls apart. Bands have to be all equally focused to be successful.

as well as that within a group you will have someone who is content to do the same type of song over and over and over again ,and while that sort of self indulgence would appeal to some of the audience who like that type of song it is taking all the fun out of the creative process of writing the music, why most musicians picked up an instrument in the first place.

hooky has nothing to prove with the work he has put in all his career but he should have a bit of dignity now and enjoy his success.

Housey wrote:

Simon Simpson wrote: This is interesting...

New Order Limited Formed - 4th April 2011

Shareholders

Bernard Sumner, Stephen Paul David Morris and Gillian Lesley Morris.

Shares issued - 28th July 2011

Hmmm. Interesting.

Reminds me of my old Substance poster from 1987 that had in teeny letters in the corner "copyright 1987 by New Order, Inc." When I noticed it, it was like I was immediately disabused of any romantic punk ideals I had. "OH MY GOD, THEY'RE A COMPANY?!"

There have been several over the years. Always remember Gain West plastered on the Hac.

Simon Simpson wrote: This is interesting...

New Order Limited Formed - 4th April 2011

Shareholders

Bernard Sumner, Stephen Paul David Morris and Gillian Lesley Morris.

Shares issued - 28th July 2011

Interesting info...

One thing I don't get is how Hooky donesn't understand that with all this malice he's precisely playing into the other three's hands, now even provided half he'd said is right noone is going to side with him anymore ? Another thing, how comes Barney's apparently become a workaholic and decided he wants to tour now after all these years? Spite, lack of Hooky in the band, what ?

Johnny Giles wrote:

effect return wrote: you shouldnt criticise a fellow musicians playing in public hooky, especially when you come from an ethos of doing things yourself and learning to play from scratch. its not a particularly classy thing to do.

People say bernard sumner is a control freak? There is nothing wrong with that in a group when your control freak is largely responsible for writing hit records. Generally in a band if you have a situation of someone being pissed all the time, not rehearsing or contributing little or nothing to the group someone has to take matters by the scruff of the neck and produce something or the whole thing falls apart. Bands have to be all equally focused to be successful.

as well as that within a group you will have someone who is content to do the same type of song over and over and over again ,and while that sort of self indulgence would appeal to some of the audience who like that type of song it is taking all the fun out of the creative process of writing the music, why most musicians picked up an instrument in the first place.

hooky has nothing to prove with the work he has put in all his career but he should have a bit of dignity now and enjoy his success.

Nicely put. Great to see some sanity on here. You should post more often, this place benefits from informed opinions.

I agree. And I don't want to hear the same type of song over and over. The classic songs (the ones already recorded and played again and again) I'll always enjoy, but it's BORING to hear "new songs" that ape that formula from before. When you get older, naturally you may start to take less chances, experiment less, than you did in your youth. But I think New Order still has a lot more experimentation left in them, and I really want to hear that. I want to hear risks being taken. I don't want to hear the same bass guitar line over and over again. It was great then, and it was done well then, but please advance the page.

Eric Wang wrote:

Johnny Giles wrote:

effect return wrote: you shouldnt criticise a fellow musicians playing in public hooky, especially when you come from an ethos of doing things yourself and learning to play from scratch. its not a particularly classy thing to do.

People say bernard sumner is a control freak? There is nothing wrong with that in a group when your control freak is largely responsible for writing hit records. Generally in a band if you have a situation of someone being pissed all the time, not rehearsing or contributing little or nothing to the group someone has to take matters by the scruff of the neck and produce something or the whole thing falls apart. Bands have to be all equally focused to be successful.

as well as that within a group you will have someone who is content to do the same type of song over and over and over again ,and while that sort of self indulgence would appeal to some of the audience who like that type of song it is taking all the fun out of the creative process of writing the music, why most musicians picked up an instrument in the first place.

hooky has nothing to prove with the work he has put in all his career but he should have a bit of dignity now and enjoy his success.

Nicely put. Great to see some sanity on here. You should post more often, this place benefits from informed opinions.

I agree. And I don't want to hear the same type of song over and over. The classic songs (the ones already recorded and played again and again) I'll always enjoy, but it's BORING to hear "new songs" that ape that formula from before. When you get older, naturally you may start to take less chances, experiment less, than you did in your youth. But I think New Order still has a lot more experimentation left in them, and I really want to hear that. I want to hear risks being taken. I don't want to hear the same bass guitar line over and over again. It was great then, and it was done well then, but please advance the page.

Agreed.

That dancey track that the Other Wto did recently was excellent....if New Order were to make a heavy Electro/Dance record....I'd be pretty happy with that.

Johnny Giles wrote:

effect return wrote: you shouldnt criticise a fellow musicians playing in public hooky, especially when you come from an ethos of doing things yourself and learning to play from scratch. its not a particularly classy thing to do.

People say bernard sumner is a control freak? There is nothing wrong with that in a group when your control freak is largely responsible for writing hit records. Generally in a band if you have a situation of someone being pissed all the time, not rehearsing or contributing little or nothing to the group someone has to take matters by the scruff of the neck and produce something or the whole thing falls apart. Bands have to be all equally focused to be successful.

as well as that within a group you will have someone who is content to do the same type of song over and over and over again ,and while that sort of self indulgence would appeal to some of the audience who like that type of song it is taking all the fun out of the creative process of writing the music, why most musicians picked up an instrument in the first place.

hooky has nothing to prove with the work he has put in all his career but he should have a bit of dignity now and enjoy his success.

Nicely put. Great to see some sanity on here. You should post more often, this place benefits from informed opinions.

Thanks but i dont know if im informed to any great degree. Musicians act like pricks a lot of the time (im a guitarist by the way) which is part and parcel of music for whatever reason. I was lucky that i met a very talented old guitarist when i started out ( he had some chart hits in the late 60's,played with hendrix etc) and he explained that musicians should never criticize the playing of someone else and that stood me in good stead when i started to get better, To enjoy the fact that now i can play better and to concentrate on your own thing and style.

Getting back on topic, the thing that stood new order out from other groups that did electronic music (howard jones,kajagoogoo and simple minds etc) was that new order had class and were always for doing something new and different which is why as i said before that people take up instruments and respect pioneering bands like new order

The class that they have or which hooky seems to be slowly giving up is what allows them to keep playing for so long and hooky should realise this before he accepts the call for an 80's revival tour with men at work and adam ant.

Zachery Starkey wrote:

Eric Wang wrote:

Johnny Giles wrote:

effect return wrote: you shouldnt criticise a fellow musicians playing in public hooky, especially when you come from an ethos of doing things yourself and learning to play from scratch. its not a particularly classy thing to do.

People say bernard sumner is a control freak? There is nothing wrong with that in a group when your control freak is largely responsible for writing hit records. Generally in a band if you have a situation of someone being pissed all the time, not rehearsing or contributing little or nothing to the group someone has to take matters by the scruff of the neck and produce something or the whole thing falls apart. Bands have to be all equally focused to be successful.

as well as that within a group you will have someone who is content to do the same type of song over and over and over again ,and while that sort of self indulgence would appeal to some of the audience who like that type of song it is taking all the fun out of the creative process of writing the music, why most musicians picked up an instrument in the first place.

hooky has nothing to prove with the work he has put in all his career but he should have a bit of dignity now and enjoy his success.

Nicely put. Great to see some sanity on here. You should post more often, this place benefits from informed opinions.

I agree. And I don't want to hear the same type of song over and over. The classic songs (the ones already recorded and played again and again) I'll always enjoy, but it's BORING to hear "new songs" that ape that formula from before. When you get older, naturally you may start to take less chances, experiment less, than you did in your youth. But I think New Order still has a lot more experimentation left in them, and I really want to hear that. I want to hear risks being taken. I don't want to hear the same bass guitar line over and over again. It was great then, and it was done well then, but please advance the page.

Agreed.

That dancey track that the Other Wto did recently was excellent....if New Order were to make a heavy Electro/Dance record....I'd be pretty happy with that.

Id say its a possibility they will release electro/dance stuff with someone else or possibly under a different name. Its been a while since new order/bad lieutenant have done anything dancey and maybe they feel that people will doubt their credibility writing dance music in their 50's