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Originally posted by Huntsman I chose not to point out that humming birds are rarely seen on the ground as it spoilt my amateur scientific examplel.As a full-on rumble has occurred can I know close the class as I've forgotten most of the best facts (science suggestions) in the book.Just one last thing, cats can swim but they are conscious of damaging expensive overcoats ... the decision to trash the jacket in search of a better world would depend on the cat. More gregarious cats may chose to 'go for it', whereas milder mannered fellas might decide to stay put and eat greens.And I cannot see a cat leaping from the sea to land at 45 degrees ... even if I have seen documentaries suggesting otherwise and starring some of the world's best lions.

After posing my last question I realized the cat wouldn't need to leap while swimming; it would just climb up the wall from the water.

Originally posted by CTB Notwithstanding the fact that the posts have drifted considerably from Dan introducing himself, I'd like to take a chance to point a few things out here from my point of view as a scientist:1. Cats can probably jump at any angle they wish, they are just arrogant animals which choose not to demonstrate this. I suggest that Felines are generally considered key predators, and as such rarely have use for 'defence'. How many docos have you seen of Lions leaping on the back of a hapless Wildebeeste? Is this not at roughly 45' from the ground? 2. There is no such thing as a "scientific fact". The word fact is avoided at all costs by scientists, as it implies that everything to be known is explainable. Science attempts to understand the world, not dictate terms.3. Earthquakes, as a form of motion, are percieved by higher vertebrates not only by vision, but by movement. Movement and balance are percieved largely in the inner ear. Also, Hummingbirds are never found on or even near the ground. Unless, of course, they are dead. This puts the slippers into your theory somewhat, Huntsy, however it was eloquently stated.Sorry to get all geeky on your arse, but I felt it necessary to point these out.CTB

Yes that's exactly what I was thinking.

Isn't it right that humming birds are unable to undertake a take off manouvre from a flat surface unlike the Hawker Harrier jumpjet featuring it's VTAOL facility?

For further information:

'Why (most) Cats chose not to leap like how a Long Jumper usually does' by Terry Nutkins ISBN No. 865394 11 First published 1974 - re-printed late '78 due to popular demand (from the animal kingdom)

Huntsy - I meant in no way to discourage your interesting interpretation of feline behaviour. I personally find them reprohensible animals, and as such take pride in saying I have bugger all knowledge of them. The thought of seeing them "go for it" while swimming amused me so much it has prompted me to hose down the LadyBear's cat in the name of research. Neither LadyBear nor cat are impressed with the results of this study - this phenomena is termed the 'Hiesenberg Principle'. CTB

It will take more than a genuine scientist with a theory about the Hindenberg from dissuading me to preach my patented theory of non-sideways cat leaping in the future. Admittedly, your notes did have a certain charm but I do suggest you read up a little more before any further outbursts. The book by Nutkins is an excellent start and if you have access to the internet you might like to order 'Fieldmice ... why?' by Onion Montgomery.

pesky cats make me sneeze :(

quarantine this discussion!! chuck em in room 101 ;)

Suitably chastised, I will indeed pursue the works of Dr. Nutkin with keen interest. As for the quandry regarding Fieldmice, I too am at a loss. Frankly, I was stumped with the Dormouse, but it appears rodents are nothing if not useful in drawing attention to their utterly pointless existence. CTB

Any theories on why Terry Nutkins lives in relative seclusion in castle near a Loch?

A castle near a loch? ... could you describe a more beautiful location?

Mr. Nutkins is indeed a very intelligent person. Perhaps he shunts the limelight in favour of a more relaxed environment, full of the wildlife he understands.

Originally posted by Huntsman A castle near a loch? ... could you describe a more beautiful location?

The Amalfi coast of Italy with stunning cliff top residences and palatial villas set on islands. Imagine the soppy bits of Episode II Attack of the colonials.

He's earned it.

ok, you've lost me now gents

Terry Nutkins helped Johnny Morris host a show about animals which ran for years and years. Johnny was an older gentleman and Terry the young apprentice. Each show would cover certain topics about featured animals, tigers, elephants, ostriches etc. - and both Morris and Nutkins had a special understanding with the animals ... it appeared that they could talk with them. Johnny could also do impressions of many animals and was often seen talking like how an elephant would if it were a human.

The show was called 'Animal Magic' and was beautiful. The two fellas were the nicest and most amiable blokes you could ever have the pleasure of watching on the tele. It was a shame the show ended.

Terry Nutkins and Johnny Morris herald an affectionate part of tv history to many people.

I'm personally very happy that Mr. Nutkins now lives in such a beautiful location.

Didnt Zoe Balls old man do something similar??? or did he play with inanimate objects?

Originally posted by Inta-Don Didnt Zoe Balls old man do something similar??? or did he play with inanimate objects?

Think of a Number?

Originally posted by Huntsman > Originally posted by Inta-Don> Didnt Zoe Balls old man do something similar??? or did he play with inanimate objects?

Think of a Number?

any number?

Originally posted by Huntsman Terry Nutkins helped Johnny Morris host a show about animals which ran for years and years. Johnny was an older gentleman and Terry the young apprentice. Each show would cover certain topics about featured animals, tigers, elephants, ostriches etc. - and both Morris and Nutkins had a special understanding with the animals ... it appeared that they could talk with them. Johnny could also do impressions of many animals and was often seen talking like how an elephant would if it were a human.The show was called 'Animal Magic' and was beautiful. The two fellas were the nicest and most amiable blokes you could ever have the pleasure of watching on the tele. It was a shame the show ended.Terry Nutkins and Johnny Morris herald an affectionate part of tv history to many people.I'm personally very happy that Mr. Nutkins now lives in such a beautiful location.

Pesonally I suspect Nutkins is leaning towards the dark side.

Originally posted by dan bailey Hello, I'm a new member just thought I would say hello,I love new order and get pissed off because none of my mates have any musical taste! it was my older brother who got me into them

Welcome Dan, have fun in these here parts. Don't be afraid to join in with the craic, but above all beware of pre-menstrual Bawbags! They tend to spoil the fun.

Originally posted by General Muffy (NOOL Militant Wing) > Originally posted by dan bailey> Hello, I'm a new member just thought I would say hello,> I love new order and get pissed off because none of my mates have any musical taste! it was my older brother who got me into them

Welcome Dan, have fun in these here parts. Don't be afraid to join in with the craic, but above all beware of pre-menstrual Bawbags! They tend to spoil the fun.

cheers...and I'll be joining in for sure

Originally posted by General Muffy (NOOL Militant Wing) > Originally posted by dan bailey> Hello, I'm a new member just thought I would say hello,> I love new order and get pissed off because none of my mates have any musical taste! it was my older brother who got me into them

Welcome Dan, have fun in these here parts. Don't be afraid to join in with the craic, but above all beware of pre-menstrual Bawbags! They tend to spoil the fun.

Well DAN ...ROCKET MICK says and i hope you like cats. HUNTSMAN you are indeed a GENIUS and only MUFFY knows more about PUSSIES than you.:D:D:D:D

What was the topic again....?

but did you know that terry nutkins' real name was terry stamp. he had to change it because of equity rules as there was already terrance stamp so he named himself after his favourite squirrel based book.

... it just gets better and better ...

Speaking of T. Stamp, someone informed me recently that before the Matrix and Lord Of, Elrond was in Priscilla.

Originally posted by hibster but did you know that terry nutkins' real name was terry stamp.he had to change it because of equity rules as there was already terrance stamp so he named himself after his favourite squirrel based book.

It looks like a covert measure to keep his dark side hidden. If you can't see the parralel's with well known devil worshipper Alister(Hammy Hamster)Crowley......

You cannot associate Nutkins with the dark side, he is clearly a rebel leader, almost as good as Admiral Ackbar.

Terence the Stamp will never, not ever, beat his most momentous and vitally important movie star role where he commanded Superman to:

'Kneel Before Zod'

So how do you explain this mysterious thread of the devil and Animal programmes? Johny (speaks in tongues) Morrisey Terry (lives in a castle nr a Loch and changes his sinister surname) Nutkins Michala Strachan (has the same surname as former red devil Gordon who's got the devils seed & ginger hair) Johnny & Zoe Ball's presence cannot be a conicidence eithier. Think of a number? 666 by any chance? Let's not forget former LFC fan Zoe's one of the highest profile people to defect to the dark side.

An interesting statistic involves God and the Devil. Go(o)d and (d)Evil.

You may think scientists (CTB for instance) would have now closed the book on the existance of god and the devil. Not so, latest thinking on the subject is fairly surprising. I'm not certain of the exact figure but a high percentage of supposed great minds (scientists, great thinkers, theologians, pioneers of flavoured snacks etc.) are now in semi-agreement (80-90%) that the chances are 'yes' it is likely that their is a) a creator and b) a destroyer.

The implications, I'm sure you'd agree, are stupefying.

It is with this average nugget of hearsay that you can ascertain whether or not your theory of names and devils is concurrent.

there is a johnny ball lane in bristol.

not that that proves or disproves that there is a god, I was just saying, you know, there is one.