Barney Bites Back!
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Thanks for the link. It IS pretty vitriolic by Bernard's (not Hooky's) standards, these interviews get nastier and nastier. Let's console ourselves with the great music they've all made! And Revenge.
All I can say is 'well said that man!' 
Not exactly resorted to mudslinging in Hooky's 'I'll fuck them over' style, but a more subtle 'go get fucked' hidden in plain sight. Or something like that.
lowlife wrote: All I can say is 'well said that man!'
Agreed.
I posted in the mojo thread but basically I am fine with Barney's approach. Direct. Good stuff. Well said. Get some fucking music recorded. :)
Excellent from St.Bernard.
Now if someone could just remove any remaining visuals of the foaming mad dog at the top of this webpage my life would be complete.
bernard is fabulous. peter succumbed to the vagaries of fame and his fans , and he is a bit poisoned. i pray hard that he can recover . it is embarrassing now , but next month , if those songs are scrapped or postponed , he may not have any cachet left .
Tape Bias wrote: Excellent from St.Bernard.
Now if someone could just remove any remaining visuals of the foaming mad dog at the top of this webpage my life would be complete.
Why stop there..Maybe you would would prefer to see all of New Orders music to be re-released with Hooky's basslines removed..
after grace , their daughter, successfully combatted myelitis, or similar, gillian was up against breast cancer, and is now a lovely and
i hit the wrong button without thinking. and not thinking happens frequently at advanced ages. around 2007 gillian discovered she had cancer, she is recovered
it was a nice gesture that bernard didnt slag hookys bass playing and its an awful pity hooky didnt keep his mouth shut about gillian's playing. you dont criticise another musicians playing publicly especially when you've been playing with them a long time.
The Stone Roses told Sumner that New Order's reunion inspired their re-formation. Could there ever be a happy ending - New Order reuniting? "With Peter Hook? No. There's just been too many bad things said and done," Sumner says. "It's gone too far."
Its a straight forward reply and a good article. I agree the band have survived hookey leaving and he has survived(I think, not seen the light yet)doing his own thing. It is sad and always two sides to a story . I do tend to find in life though that the one looking bad has been wronged at some point and cant keep composure as a result and the other side can simply push the buttons but I cant judge this one. Hooky shouldn't have made the comments about Gillian. We as fans though are being treated to tours we never thought we'd see again as a result of the internal conflict.
is there any evidence of peter loving bernard in the early years and bernard not having the same feelings ? or bernard possibly experimenting,but not with him. or could there have been just a general jealousy without intimacy. what they call latent feelings ? bernard without shirt did get many young men and women excited in those days. please forgive me if i have crossed any lines.
"He's saying we shouldn't use the New Order name. He shouldn't be using the Joy Division artwork. It's OK for him to benefit from the Joy Division heritage but not for us to benefit from it or the New Order heritage? In Peter Hook World I guess that makes sense but in no one else's world does it make sense. And fortunately for us in the legal world I don't believe it makes sense either. If he wants a fight we're ready for a fight... "
Well said!
On 'Lost Sirens' (or whatever it's called)
"We've all OK'd it - it's ready to go," Sumner says. "But one member of the band is holding back the reins. Use your imagination."
(I at first assumed the delay was because there were too many people ordering it and the vinyl pressing wasn't ready or something.)
"But if you don't want to be on tour, if you're not enjoying it, it's hell. It's the total opposite now. I want to be there this time."
So he doesn't mind touring now.
I'm a lot better singer now. I didn't know my a--- from my elbow in the singing department when I started out. I had no desire to be a singer. I was a guitarist and keyboard player (in Joy Division). Singing was a craft I had to learn.
We do want to carry on with the band. He's doing what he wants to do. We're doing what we want to do. Surely that's the perfect solution?"
Agreed. 
Cheers for the link, good article. The whole saga should now be put to bed with Hookhy and sumner carrying on as they are (music wise), get the lost sirens released draw a line under it all. New order gigs have all sold out, the fans want it Hooky should now let it go and get that damn lost sirens released:)
keepitcoming wrote: is there any evidence of peter loving bernard in the early years and bernard not having the same feelings ? or bernard possibly experimenting,but not with him. or could there have been just a general jealousy without intimacy. what they call latent feelings ? bernard without shirt did get many young men and women excited in those days. please forgive me if i have crossed any lines.
You suggesting Hooky is a big gayer and all this is over unrequited love? Interesting take on the situation, I'd suggest studying the lyrics of Revenge and Monaco to see if there are some messages in there.
James Thomas wrote:
keepitcoming wrote: is there any evidence of peter loving bernard in the early years and bernard not having the same feelings ? or bernard possibly experimenting,but not with him. or could there have been just a general jealousy without intimacy. what they call latent feelings ? bernard without shirt did get many young men and women excited in those days. please forgive me if i have crossed any lines.
You suggesting Hooky is a big gayer and all this is over unrequited love? Interesting take on the situation, I'd suggest studying the lyrics of Revenge and Monaco to see if there are some messages in there.
Certainly explains all the gay disco... 
Snorri xxx
James Thomas wrote:
keepitcoming wrote: is there any evidence of peter loving bernard in the early years and bernard not having the same feelings ? or bernard possibly experimenting,but not with him. or could there have been just a general jealousy without intimacy. what they call latent feelings ? bernard without shirt did get many young men and women excited in those days. please forgive me if i have crossed any lines.
You suggesting Hooky is a big gayer and all this is over unrequited love? Interesting take on the situation, I'd suggest studying the lyrics of Revenge and Monaco to see if there are some messages in there.
thought that was obvious wasn't it, leather trousers, disco music, beard and tash, it's all there
clive mendonca wrote:
James Thomas wrote:
keepitcoming wrote: is there any evidence of peter loving bernard in the early years and bernard not having the same feelings ? or bernard possibly experimenting,but not with him. or could there have been just a general jealousy without intimacy. what they call latent feelings ? bernard without shirt did get many young men and women excited in those days. please forgive me if i have crossed any lines.
You suggesting Hooky is a big gayer and all this is over unrequited love? Interesting take on the situation, I'd suggest studying the lyrics of Revenge and Monaco to see if there are some messages in there.
thought that was obvious wasn't it, leather trousers, disco music, beard and tash, it's all there
Hard to know what the truth is, but I still remember the New Order video where Hooky was flanked by drag queens. I believe that it was the video for Fine Time, but not the version here on NOOL.
Tower Ballroom wrote:
James Thomas wrote:
Is that Freddie Mercury in the background ?
That should be in 'Up the Arse Corner' in VIZ
Hard to know what the truth is, but I still remember the New Order video where Hooky was flanked by drag queens. I believe that it was the video for Fine Time, but not the version here on NOOL.
It was NO Story video instead. Great to see Rob Gretton's comments on it.
It has indeed taken a slightly surreal turn. I don't think we have to look for any fanciful explanations for why two guys who knew each other since school, have fallen out. It happens all the time. Hell, I know of two families where sister will not talk to sister, or brother to brother, besides other divisions between half siblings you might almost expect.
"It's nice to go to where people live and play songs they love, make that human connection. I mean, I'd much rather be remembered than forgotten."
Cool. No danger of that here anyways… (of being forgotten) but, wow, quite a change there from Barney. Is this the guy who gave the impression he dreaded playing live? Like the record was how it was supposed to sound, or something… no more 45 minutes shows then? That's good to know.
Anyway, even if actual reconciliation is not possible, I do hope this gets resolved somehow so Lost Sirens can see the light of day. Gah!
seals wrote: It has indeed taken a slightly surreal turn. I don't think we have to look for any fanciful explanations for why two guys who knew each other since school, have fallen out. It happens all the time. Hell, I know of two families where sister will not talk to sister, or brother to brother, besides other divisions between half siblings you might almost expect.
"It's nice to go to where people live and play songs they love, make that human connection. I mean, I'd much rather be remembered than forgotten."
Cool. No danger of that here anyways… (of being forgotten) but, wow, quite a change there from Barney. Is this the guy who gave the impression he dreaded playing live? Like the record was how it was supposed to sound, or something… no more 45 minutes shows then? That's good to know.
Anyway, even if actual reconciliation is not possible, I do hope this gets resolved somehow so Lost Sirens can see the light of day. Gah!
The impression he possibly meant to give was that he preferred working in the studio than gigging.
i remember bernard said he would, or could try anything once . no big deal there. he supported gays in many kind hearted ways in the 80's. hooky and the story of his hand in the rear of pott's pants, suggests very little, of importance . in the u.s.a. stories are farther removed and likely less known. that is why i asked. peter may just be very jealous of the power and stature bernard has . i do believe the economics were always fair ,all getting an equal share . peter is hurt about something.
back then the touring, drugs, alcohol, and sex could have killed bernard. now he is fine . his wife and kids have him well grounded. he is nearly fit, looks healthy , and is as handsome as dave gilmour was at 56. dave is 66 in march
seals wrote: It has indeed taken a slightly surreal turn. I don't think we have to look for any fanciful explanations for why two guys who knew each other since school, have fallen out. It happens all the time. Hell, I know of two families where sister will not talk to sister, or brother to brother, besides other divisions between half siblings you might almost expect.
"It's nice to go to where people live and play songs they love, make that human connection. I mean, I'd much rather be remembered than forgotten."
Cool. No danger of that here anyways… (of being forgotten) but, wow, quite a change there from Barney. Is this the guy who gave the impression he dreaded playing live? Like the record was how it was supposed to sound, or something… no more 45 minutes shows then? That's good to know.
Anyway, even if actual reconciliation is not possible, I do hope this gets resolved somehow so Lost Sirens can see the light of day. Gah!
He said the same thing in the interview booklet for Retro back in 2002. I think around 1998 and again at the release of Get Ready he was having fun again. The early WFTSC shows were a tad rusty based on youtube offerings, and not in the inspiring shambolic fashion of the 80s. But I thought Glasgow 2006 was a great DVD and that they played very well.
keepitcoming wrote: hooky and the story of his hand in the rear of pott's pants, suggests very little, of importance .
Would you care to elaborate?
James Thomas wrote:
keepitcoming wrote: hooky and the story of his hand in the rear of pott's pants, suggests very little, of importance .
Would you care to elaborate?
a rather unorthodox way of getting the high notes out of pottsy?
in a book titled 'new order +joy division', 'dreams never end', by claude flowers, page 103, ' during one concert, hook shoved his hand down the back of hick's trousers to embarrass him onstage, and during an interview, urinated into a beermug and tried to force him to drink his pee'. --- david hicks ,not pottsy. on the same page are mentions of hook's disdain for fans , and his favorite line 'fuck off, you cunts'. the time was 1990, with revenge. on a lighter note his favorite films are 'spartacus' and 'the vikings'
keepitcoming wrote: on a lighter note his favorite films are 'spartacus' and 'the vikings'
Well that's a relief. Does he want Santorum this year?
Burt Burterson wrote: Who is David Hicks?
There's only one Hicksy in my book.
The guy with long hair on the sofa. No no no, not the one bearded 
effect return wrote: it was a nice gesture that bernard didnt slag hookys bass playing and its an awful pity hooky didnt keep his mouth shut about gillian's playing. you dont criticise another musicians playing publicly especially when you've been playing with them a long time.
That's exactly what everyone does after the meltdown. Nothing knew here.......
condemnation wrote:
effect return wrote: it was a nice gesture that bernard didnt slag hookys bass playing and its an awful pity hooky didnt keep his mouth shut about gillian's playing. you dont criticise another musicians playing publicly especially when you've been playing with them a long time.
That's exactly what everyone does after the meltdown. Nothing knew here.......
well bernard didnt slag hookys playing so obviously not everyone does after meltdown, didnt hear mick jones or joe strummer etc at it either and i could name several others.
musicians know that you dont criticise someones playing in public because it doesnt matter how good you are or how impressive your virtuosity is so long as your giving it a go.
Yeah, out of everything Hooky has said, the attack on Gillian's artistry is really what has got me the most bummed out about him. You just don't do that, especially to another artist you have worked besides for years.
I really respected Hook for decades, but the past few months have really soured me on him. It oddly colors how I hear his music now.
I can't help it, and I know it is not really rational, but I go back and listen to Revenge or Monaco, and even his basslines in New Order and Joy Division in a slightly different way now. Not good.
From the very start of this Bernards comments on the matter (or lack of, a dignified silence speaks volumes) have always left Hooky looking a bit silly and angry-shouty.
This is a further case of it.
As amusing and heartfelt as the Hooky comments always are its always from a man on the backfoot, blindly lashing out.
Tarbox23 wrote: Yeah, .... is really what has got me the most bummed out about him.
More evidence
Grow up children you are 50 plus and behaving like bitter teenagers. Hooky did want to be in the band,he did want to tour (the other's didn't) and make records. If Rob was around he would have sorted all this crap out. Another annoying thing is that Barney and imposter are now doing seminal bass laden tunes he refused to do (586 etc) live when Hooky was in the band.
Peche wrote: Grow up children you are 50 plus and behaving like bitter teenagers. Hooky did want to be in the band,he did want to tour (the other's didn't) and make records. If Rob was around he would have sorted all this crap out. Another annoying thing is that Barney and imposter are now doing seminal bass laden tunes he refused to do (586 etc) live when Hooky was in the band.
if hooky did want all those things and is the victim in all of this then why didnt he either speak up to the rest of the band whilst a member of the band or better yet do what mani does when primal scream arent working play with other groups until the rest of the band want to tour or make a record.
i know one thing though if i referred to music i wrote as seminal my ego would have legal possession of my mind and body and id go on the revival tours like all the other wankers.
Producer Stuart Price (Madonna, Kylie) helped the band "freshen up" their set, and got his favourite New Order song 586 included
That explains who the Stuart he dedicates the song for on the Troxy Live CD is. I did wonder :)
effect return wrote:
if hooky did want all those things and is the victim in all of this then why didnt he either speak up to the rest of the band whilst a member of the band or better yet do what mani does when primal scream arent working play with other groups until the rest of the band want to tour or make a record.
i know one thing though if i referred to music i wrote as seminal my ego would have legal possession of my mind and body and id go on the revival tours like all the other wankers.
Tarbox23 wrote: Yeah, out of everything Hooky has said, the attack on Gillian's artistry is really what has got me the most bummed out about him. You just don't do that, especially to another artist you have worked besides for years.
I really respected Hook for decades, but the past few months have really soured me on him. It oddly colors how I hear his music now.
I can't help it, and I know it is not really rational, but I go back and listen to Revenge or Monaco, and even his basslines in New Order and Joy Division in a slightly different way now. Not good.
Can't say I've felt that way when hearing Hooky's basslines, even after reading the most vitriolic Hooky comments.
But, I have noticed that when watching/listening to live stuff from the mid 80s that the sloppiness of Bernard's pitch often corresponds to how loud Hooky's bass was. Passive aggressive relationship? I know Bernard could shoot the glare to Gillian and even Steve, but I rarely see in live videos him look at all at Hooky. And rather oddly, I see Hooky often gaze at Bernard...
Not trying to over analyze, but there's enough documentation to suggest there was the occasional power struggle onstage.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander etc.... It's a shame that NO is Hookless, but he should back off from the legal action IMHO and they can both spin off on their separate trajectories.
SimplyThrilled wrote: Hmmnn, the reality is
I don't like all this hatred, it just isn't me...
I agree with you.
James Thomas wrote:
Every time I see this picture of Hooky looking like that, I think of the slap bass intro to "Face Up" and then Dead Or Alive "You Spin Me Round (Like A Record)" and wonder why he chose to cover the Bee Gees "You Should Be Dancin'" instead.....
By 'Eck! My Neck! wrote:
James Thomas wrote:
Every time I see this picture of Hooky looking like that, I think of the slap bass intro to "Face Up" and then Dead Or Alive "You Spin Me Round (Like A Record)" and wonder why he chose to cover the Bee Gees "You Should Be Dancin'" instead.....
I thought thatn was Freddie Mercury !
Tower Ballroom wrote:
By 'Eck! My Neck! wrote:
James Thomas wrote:
Every time I see this picture of Hooky looking like that, I think of the slap bass intro to "Face Up" and then Dead Or Alive "You Spin Me Round (Like A Record)" and wonder why he chose to cover the Bee Gees "You Should Be Dancin'" instead.....
I thought thatn was Freddie Mercury !
It was the 70s... bad mustaches and crappy tight pants were cool to uncool kids. I wonder if there is a pic with Steve having a mustache like Hooky and Barney?
I asked Hooky about wether he was going to wear the black armband when he went to see the Sex Pistols in Manchester before the show in 2007, to which he gamely laughed and said he had "lost" it.. in a bin, I imagine!
I know the relationship between Barney and Hooky at school was always that of owner and pet but I am not sure at what stage Hooky decided to slip the leash.
