The Light goes Off Down Under: Cancelled Gigs.

Due to unforseen production issues, Solid Entertainment and Ticketmaster regretfully want to notify you of the cancellation of the two shows "Closer" and "Unknown Pleasures" – A Joy Division Celebration which were scheduled to take place at Bar Bodega on the 18th and 19th of April 2012 and Studio on the 20th of April 2012.

For further information Solid Entertainment has released the following official statement from Peter Hook and The Light.

Peter Hook And The Light have been forced to postpone their upcoming dates across Australia and New Zealand in April 2012 due to production circumstances which were beyond the band's control.

Hooky and The Light would like to apologise for the inconvenience and disappointment of the thousands of fans who had purchased tickets in advance for their second visit to Australasia and we are hopeful that the dates are to be rescheduled for late 2012 or early 2013.

The band would like to thank all our Antipodean friends for their continued support and we look forward to having the opportunity to play for you again soon.

Peter Hook And The Light

Didn't sell enough $300 "Have A Sandwich With Hooky" tickets?

mark reed wrote: Didn't sell enough $300 "Have A Sandwich With Hooky" tickets?

To be fair, New Zealand shows were sold out and all meet and greets were sold out.

Court case scheduled, maybe?

No question of the shows being a 'sell-out', btw!

Gutted about this, but it's not our fault, and there was absolutely nothing we could do in the end.

I'm sure all the NOOL comedians will be in here like rats up a drainpipe with their frankly hilarious musings (Edit - I see they already are..) but let me just say, to have gone almost 2 years on the road without cancelling anything (Japanese dates rescheduled due to the earthquake/tsunami issue aside), I think that's pretty good. It's not as if Bad Lieutenant didn't cancel America enough times is it... These things happen, all our other gigs are unaffected.

Already looking at new dates, see ya soon

[orange]Jack[/orange] wrote: Gutted about this, but it's not our fault, and there was absolutely nothing we could do in the end.

I'm sure all the NOOL comedians will be in here like rats up a drainpipe with their frankly hilarious musings (Edit - I see they already are..) but let me just say, to have gone almost 2 years on the road without cancelling anything (Japanese dates rescheduled due to the earthquake/tsunami issue aside), I think that's pretty good. It's not as if Bad Lieutenant didn't cancel America enough times is it... These things happen. All our other gigs are unaffected.

Already looking at new dates, see ya soon

Alright, what's the reason then Jack? Not many active volcanoes down here at present as per your cheap shot at BL. So, why...?

I think it is because you can't export rabid dogs to Australia.

NOOL comedians? I think Hooky's a joke enough without my help at the moment.

mark reed wrote: NOOL comedians? I think Hooky's a joke enough without my help at the moment.

I concur

It is a bit tricky for the warm up act to go to New Zealand and Austraila when the Headliners have already been out there!

Long live Barney's band

Well I can't say this thread has developed into anything less than what I was expecting, keep going if it makes you feel big and clever :)

You guys

Gary wrote: It is a bit tricky for the warm up act to go to New Zealand and Austraila when the Headliners have already been out there!

Long live Barney's band

too true

Bickering aside, can we ask why it's been cancelled?

:\pimp3:

It is because Peter Hook has split up, he is no longer able to work with himself because of artistic differences.

What were you expecting? I take no joy out of the predictable debacle a standard, bitter Hooky interview has come. I get no pleasure out of hearing that a man I used to admire is touring old music endlessly instead of doing something new. I get nothing positive out of the fact that he is sitting on a record of songs I would love to hear and blocking their release to gain some kind of middling leverage over estranged musicians. Instead of thinking we're simple predictable haters, ask why? I've not seen one shred of self-awareness from Camp Hooky recently. Just angry vitriol, and business ventures to make money out of something that doesn't exist anymore.

Joy Division trainers? Limited edition T-shirts with jokes about New Order on? Selling fragments of masonry and reproduction guitars with yellow vinyl 10" EP's at £450? What kind of shit is this? What next? Plastic replicas of the tomb from the front of Closer numbered and signed? A 14th anniversary tour of "Twisted Tenderness"? Why doesn't Hooky come on here and explain his current business strategy instead of slinging accusations at people through newspapers?

The kind of love bands get from their fans is not the unquestioning adulation they like. Oh yeah, I know what you're thinking, I'm in an Internet Tough Guy. I'd say this to you and your dad's face and ask the questions if you want to pop over to mine for a cup of tea and biscuits.

production issues would suggest problems with the rig or venues id imagine.

i also know from experience from playing live that a 1001 things can go wrong and compounding that is the thought about people not turning up. so some quarter should be given on this occasion.

Are they planning on a Bomber lighting rig? I know Motorhead had some bother with one of those.

Come on Jack, let's have the truth.

A bit of integrity and honesty would go along way, and yes that goes for both sides, but this thread is about your Dads tour.

I reckon the "production issues" relate to the production of evidence in court - i.e. there is a clash of dates with going to court and flying down under - hence cancellation.

FFS it doesn't matter why the tour's off. There's lots of people who were looking forward to the gigs, who had bought tickets, they lose out, and the band miss out on playing a few shows in a wonderful place. Lose/lose situation.

Absolutely no need for all the petty bickering, it's infantile.

Dates are going to be rescheduled..

mark reed wrote: Dates are going to be rescheduled..

The dates are postponed, not cancelled. Sorry to disappoint everyone, but it has nothing to do with New Order's recent tour, or any Peter Hook interview that may have rubbed up any fans here the wrong way.

Oh, and don't forget about the New Order that we all grew up to love? If you have forgotten, maybe check this old TV interview out from 1983 to refresh your memories!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAviBlIt4D0

Jack --- come back to the States instead! Los Angeles specifically!

[orange]Jack[/orange] wrote: Gutted about this, but it's not our fault, and there was absolutely nothing we could do in the end.

I'm sure all the NOOL comedians will be in here like rats up a drainpipe with their frankly hilarious musings (Edit - I see they already are..) but let me just say, to have gone almost 2 years on the road without cancelling anything (Japanese dates rescheduled due to the earthquake/tsunami issue aside), I think that's pretty good. It's not as if Bad Lieutenant didn't cancel America enough times is it... These things happen, all our other gigs are unaffected.

Already looking at new dates, see ya soon

Possibly, Hooky is being pulled back into New Order?

Tim wrote: FFS it doesn't matter why the tour's off. There's lots of people who were looking forward to the gigs, who had bought tickets, they lose out, and the band miss out on playing a few shows in a wonderful place. Lose/lose situation.

Absolutely no need for all the petty bickering, it's infantile.

I was one of those people.

Not bickering or being infantile, just wondering what the reason is for the cancellation (sort of like an inquisitive adult I guess).

LETS_PLAY_HOOKY wrote: Possibly, Hooky is being pulled back into New Order?

Only Australia and New Zealand have been postponed, no other shows. Everything else is as usual.

LETS_PLAY_HOOKY wrote: Possibly, Hooky is being pulled back into New Order?

I don't think so.

Gary wrote: It is because Peter Hook has split up, he is no longer able to work with himself because of artistic differences.

UpDownTurnAround wrote:

Tim wrote: FFS it doesn't matter why the tour's off. There's lots of people who were looking forward to the gigs, who had bought tickets, they lose out, and the band miss out on playing a few shows in a wonderful place. Lose/lose situation.

Absolutely no need for all the petty bickering, it's infantile.

I was one of those people.

Not bickering or being infantile, just wondering what the reason is for the cancellation (sort of like an inquisitive adult I guess).

What Tim says is bang on, it's embarassing reading some of the juvenile pish on here. 'long live Barney's band'? ? Pure school-playground patter.

GlasVegas wrote:

UpDownTurnAround wrote:

Tim wrote: FFS it doesn't matter why the tour's off. There's lots of people who were looking forward to the gigs, who had bought tickets, they lose out, and the band miss out on playing a few shows in a wonderful place. Lose/lose situation.

Absolutely no need for all the petty bickering, it's infantile.

I was one of those people.

Not bickering or being infantile, just wondering what the reason is for the cancellation (sort of like an inquisitive adult I guess).

What Tim says is bang on, it's embarassing reading some of the juvenile pish on here. 'long live Barney's band'? ? Pure school-playground patter.

spot on glas,and considering that some of the embarassing stuff has been posted by so called moderators makes it all the more purile, mods do your job and get this site back on track.

What was posted that you don't like by moderators? I think the mods are doing all right.

Who moderates the moderators?

Does being a mod strip you of the right to an opinion? Or the right to be juvenile? I guess some would argue 'please, miss, it wasn't me who started it - it was Hook'... I don't think the childish insults are particularly helpful, but I can appreciate why people are making them... Maybe we need 'Like' and 'Unlike' buttons if the site/forum is being upgraded?

Snorri xxx

Great they can play an unnanounced gig in Portsmouth now, go on Jack you know it makes sense.

Just for one moment,

[orange]Jack[/orange] wrote: Gutted about this, but it's not our fault, and there was absolutely nothing we could do in the end.

I'm sure all the NOOL comedians will be in here like rats up a drainpipe with their frankly hilarious musings (Edit - I see they already are..) but let me just say, to have gone almost 2 years on the road without cancelling anything (Japanese dates rescheduled due to the earthquake/tsunami issue aside), I think that's pretty good. It's not as if Bad Lieutenant didn't cancel America enough times is it... These things happen, all our other gigs are unaffected.

Already looking at new dates, see ya soon

You have cancelled the german tour 2011. ;-)

I have recently seen a few promotion posters in Australia. They tour was good promoted. It's a pity for all the work now. It isn't a competition between Bernard's band and Hooky's Band. Some comments here are totally amiss.

Snorrimon wrote: Who moderates the moderators?

Does being a mod strip you of the right to an opinion? Or the right to be juvenile? I guess some would argue 'please, miss, it wasn't me who started it - it was Hook'... I don't think the childish insults are particularly helpful, but I can appreciate why people are making them... Maybe we need 'Like' and 'Unlike' buttons if the site/forum is being upgraded?

Snorri xxx

johnny wrote:

Snorrimon wrote: Who moderates the moderators?

Does being a mod strip you of the right to an opinion? Or the right to be juvenile? I guess some would argue 'please, miss, it wasn't me who started it - it was Hook'... I don't think the childish insults are particularly helpful, but I can appreciate why people are making them... Maybe we need 'Like' and 'Unlike' buttons if the site/forum is being upgraded?

Snorri xxx

Genius...

Snorri xxx

586 wrote:

GlasVegas wrote:

UpDownTurnAround wrote:

Tim wrote: FFS it doesn't matter why the tour's off. There's lots of people who were looking forward to the gigs, who had bought tickets, they lose out, and the band miss out on playing a few shows in a wonderful place. Lose/lose situation.

Absolutely no need for all the petty bickering, it's infantile.

I was one of those people.

Not bickering or being infantile, just wondering what the reason is for the cancellation (sort of like an inquisitive adult I guess).

What Tim says is bang on, it's embarassing reading some of the juvenile pish on here. 'long live Barney's band'? ? Pure school-playground patter.

spot on glas,and considering that some of the embarassing stuff has been posted by so called moderators makes it all the more purile, mods do your job and get this site back on track.

Slight over-reaction, isn't it? The Light tour is postponed, and a few comments are made connecting this with Hook's recent outspoken 'feisty' behavior in the press, and questions as to why the cancellations. Apparently this is 'bickering, infantile, juvenile and embarrassing'. I'd be more embarrassed by the amount of 'right on, like he said!' comments than any of the 'purile'(sic) negative comments aimed at Hook.

What does that make the recent comments about Tom Chapman playing like 'a girl' and being 'just a session musician'?

Still haven't heard why the cancellations, which is a relevant question - notice Jack was quick to come on and have a pop at the haters, but still no explanation for the cancellation beyond 'production issues'

Once turned up at Leeds Duchess for a Revenge gig, a note was pinned to the door "Tonights gig has been cancelled, He has gone on holiday". Think it was Italy?

I hold my hands up for making 'childish' comments, they're intended to bring some humour to what is a very childish situation that we have been watching unfold in the media .

CTB wrote:

What does that make the recent comments about Tom Chapman playing like 'a girl' and being 'just a session musician'?

You wont get an answer to that.

Some comments are just tongue in cheek, some are over the line.

Maybe the "Community Standards" should be enforced, fairly, to everyone, if the Mods want to see them adhered to strictly.

That has never happened, so it's unlikely to ever happen, so no point moaning about the status quo.

James Thomas wrote: Once turned up at Leeds Duchess for a Revenge gig, a note was pinned to the door "Tonights gig has been cancelled, He has gone on holiday". Think it was Italy?

We came down on train for that..right pissa, went to the poly disco instead

Snorrimon wrote: Who moderates the moderators?

Does being a mod strip you of the right to an opinion? Or the right to be juvenile? I guess some would argue 'please, miss, it wasn't me who started it - it was Hook'... I don't think the childish insults are particularly helpful, but I can appreciate why people are making them... Maybe we need 'Like' and 'Unlike' buttons if the site/forum is being upgraded?

Snorri xxx

We haven't managed to stop Mike being a knob in the last twenty years, we ain't gonna now!

to not get to see a favorite band is one of the sad facts of life. i remember pink floyd going home after the theft of equipment in new orleans 1969. and living in texas meant flying to california for bunnymen and new order tours . or hoping to see danny kirwan with fleetwood mac , but he wasn't there . so the kiwis have much to regret. hope they get another chance

Where's Freddie when we need him?

confusion wrote:

[orange]Jack[/orange] wrote: Gutted about this, but it's not our fault, and there was absolutely nothing we could do in the end.

I'm sure all the NOOL comedians will be in here like rats up a drainpipe with their frankly hilarious musings (Edit - I see they already are..) but let me just say, to have gone almost 2 years on the road without cancelling anything (Japanese dates rescheduled due to the earthquake/tsunami issue aside), I think that's pretty good. It's not as if Bad Lieutenant didn't cancel America enough times is it... These things happen, all our other gigs are unaffected.

Already looking at new dates, see ya soon

You have cancelled the german tour 2011. ;-)

I have recently seen a few promotion posters in Australia. They tour was good promoted. It's a pity for all the work now. It isn't a competition between Bernard's band and Hooky's Band. Some comments here are totally amiss.

The only people who care about what gets put on this forum, are the ones who write and comment about things! Doesn't make any difference if it's a moderator or not. This forum is no different to any other. Lot's of people read, and only a few post.

The German tour was cancelled in similiar situation, to the Australian tour being "postponed". It's that simple. Jack doesn't have to get on the forum and explain why, especially when most people are bickering about it. Send an email to FAC51 if you are that interested. Or checkout the Facebook.

A lot of work had gone into it, a lot of people had purchased tickets for multiple shows around Australia, including accomodation and flights, so it's no joke to have to postpone a tour that has been promoted and a lot of tickets sold.

The press release states the reasons, without going into personal business.

New Order never cared what people thought of them, neither Bernard or Hooky are going to lose any sleep over the love and hate shared here.

I don't see Tom as a session musician : NO seem to be very inclusive in ensuring he is in group shots, interviews, etc. He doesn't hide at the back away from the spotlight, and doesn't seem to have an interview ban that some musicians in some bands have. Morrissey's band years ago were asked and said that they were forbidden from giving interviews. Guns N Roses post 1993 are in the same position a lot of the time.

I've always liked girls that can play bass, by the way.

UpDownTurnAround wrote: Peter Hook And The Light have been forced to postpone their upcoming dates across Australia and New Zealand in April 2012 due to...

:\ohwell:

Seeing Elbow last night in cracking form probably makes up for it.

Still, if HookLight can reschedule that would be appreciated. I take it refunds are available...

Now take the time to sort your shit out. We'll be here when you're ready.

Dennis Remmer wrote:

UpDownTurnAround wrote: Peter Hook And The Light have been forced to postpone their upcoming dates across Australia and New Zealand in April 2012 due to...

Still, if HookLight can reschedule that would be appreciated. I take it refunds are available...

Now take the time to sort your shit out. We'll be here when you're ready.

There's no shit to be sorted, the postponement was completely beyond our control, we're all gutted, and we'll be ready to come back as soon as we can lock down some new dates. For now, refunds available at point of purchase...

[orange]Jack[/orange] wrote:

Dennis Remmer wrote: Now take the time to sort your shit out. We'll be here when you're ready.

There's no shit to be sorted, the postponement was completely beyond our control

Good to know. Make up for it with double-gigs Closer+Still and get the promoter to sort their shit out

Dennis Remmer wrote:

[orange]Jack[/orange] wrote:

Dennis Remmer wrote: Now take the time to sort your shit out. We'll be here when you're ready.

There's no shit to be sorted, the postponement was completely beyond our control

Good to know. Make up for it with double-gigs Closer+Still and get the promoter to sort their shit out

Rest assured mate... we're on it. :)

So how long is it postponed for? I bought the meet and greet package; have the laminate, poster, etc, sitting behind me.

mark reed wrote: I don't see Tom as a session musician : NO seem to be very inclusive in ensuring he is in group shots, interviews, etc. He doesn't hide at the back away from the spotlight, and doesn't seem to have an interview ban that some musicians in some bands have. Morrissey's band years ago were asked and said that they were forbidden from giving interviews. Guns N Roses post 1993 are in the same position a lot of the time.

I've always liked girls that can play bass, by the way.

Chapman is a session musician until he appears on a New Order album which includes new material. Don't get me wrong, that means Hooky's lot are pretty much all session musicians too. It is not a comment on the quality of anyone's playing, just their actual contribution.

There might not be another New Order album. Does this mean that people who are in bands that don't make records, or weren't on an LP were session musicians?

ToneDeaf

Love the way that article tries to make it out as if that quote, which is basically my dad saying "We're working hard to make it sound great"... somehow means "Closer is really difficult to play and that's why this tour has been postponed"... Is the guy who wrote it not aware of the ton of other shows we have done/are doing? Absolute shite & downright lazy journalism, but then again everything I've ever read on that site has been just that. :dead:

"Naturally apologising for the inconvenience and disappointment fans might be experiencing due to the cancellation, the band’s representatives have expressed hope that the dates will be rescheduled for late 2012 or early 2013.

At this stage, though, ticket refunds will be available from all ticketing outlets."

Well that's good at least.

Ryan wrote: So how long is it postponed for? I bought the meet and greet package; have the laminate, poster, etc, sitting behind me.

There's no way of putting a timescale on new shows this early, the current shows have only just been postponed themselves... Just know that we are already working on booking some new dates for Aus & NZ.

Awesome, cheers Jack.

mark reed wrote: There might not be another New Order album. Does this mean that people who are in bands that don't make records, or weren't on an LP were session musicians?

This discussion is not about local pub bands, that's another thread.

Um die ecke wrote:

mark reed wrote: There might not be another New Order album. Does this mean that people who are in bands that don't make records, or weren't on an LP were session musicians?

This discussion is not about local pub bands, that's another thread.

I do so love it when people make up random rules that don't make any sense.

So, some bands have additional people on their studio recordings who aren't there when the band play live; does that make them band members as opposed to session musicians?

And what about "retro" bands who haven't recorded any new material for 20+ years but have people in the band as band members; under your rules they CANNOT be band members?

Is any of this written down in a handbook so I can try and understand the "rules"?

Er... I thought session musicians were people who played on recordings, but weren't band members.

Kelvin Owers wrote: Er... I thought session musicians were people who played on recordings, but weren't band members.

What is a band?

jake atkinson wrote:

Um die ecke wrote:

mark reed wrote: There might not be another New Order album. Does this mean that people who are in bands that don't make records, or weren't on an LP were session musicians?

This discussion is not about local pub bands, that's another thread.

I do so love it when people make up random rules that don't make any sense.

So, some bands have additional people on their studio recordings who aren't there when the band play live; does that make them band members as opposed to session musicians?

And what about "retro" bands who haven't recorded any new material for 20+ years but have people in the band as band members; under your rules they CANNOT be band members?

Is any of this written down in a handbook so I can try and understand the "rules"?

My point is, we can argue about terminology until we are all blue in the face, but Chapman has not yet played any material with New Order that he actually helped write. So maybe we should call him a touring member rather than a studio musician, but he is definitely not of the same stature in the band as Barney, Steve, Gillian, or even Phil. There are no songwriting credits to his name. If he had a falling out with the other members, the band would simply replace him without any concern about legal recourse.

this thread has been brilliantly derailed.

Tarbox23 wrote: this thread has been brilliantly derailed.

I will admit to following the runaway train but someone else derailed it.

My point is, we can argue about terminology until we are all blue in the face, but Chapman has not yet played any material with New Order that he actually helped write. So maybe we should call him a touring member rather than a studio musician, but he is definitely not of the same stature in the band as Barney, Steve, Gillian, or even Phil. There are no songwriting credits to his name. If he had a falling out with the other members, the band would simply replace him without any concern about legal recourse.

derailing this thread further.

As far as i know from playing in a group myself, tom chapman is a member of new order which means he is entitled to perfomance royalties from any gigs aired on tv or offical internet sites and on the live troxy cd he will be entitled to royalties from that as well.

New order could replace him but they would still have to give him his share of the performance royalties so its not as simple as replacing the hired hand if the band ever considered him to be that in the first place which i doubt.

Long live BARNEY'S BAND :D

Joy Division.

Closer.

Well, I read that article. Nasty bit of work for a newspaper article. Felt like an angry blog post in first draft to me.

Good to hear that the shows are being rescheduled. I had a feeling that something would get cancelled sooner or later due to all the surrounding dramas. Look forward to seeing you when you make it.

:D