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68Pontiac wrote:
Cranelane wrote:
Digi Mike wrote:
I saw what you did there
I think there's a storm brewing
The storm has just been upgraded to Hurricane Hooky, lets hope it doesn't force Barney's yacht of lost sirens to take shelter in a Pirate Bay [eek2]
you mean Port Royal Towne?
at this rate when tey release it they will be squabbling over the royalties of sales totaling a whole $225.00 and one coconut...
Id need to hear it first before parting with my coconut...
Barney is pissed off at Hooky leaving and exploiting Joy Division so Barney wants to fuck over Hooky. Steve and Gillian are mad that Hooky is exploiting Joy Division for money. They make it 3 versus 1 to get revenge. They reform New Order to make money. Hooky is outraged and acts like an immature asshole, like an ex-husband furious at his ex-wife. Barney giggles (literally) like he screwed over his spouse and got to keep the house and Mercedes. Hooky is mad at Steve and Gillian for siding with Barney. Phil is probably a footnote in the precedings. The record company will not really make much money from Lost Sirens, so they don't care anymore. Not sure Bernard even cares if Lost Sirens gets released, just maybe if they can piss of Hooky in the process. Hooky is not going to give in no matter what out of stubborn principle, even if there is no profit left to be gained. Amazing that the Lost Siren tracks have never been leaked... maybe nobody felt it was worth the bother.
0_o wrote: Barney is pissed off at Hooky leaving and exploiting Joy Division so Barney wants to fuck over Hooky. Steve and Gillian are mad that Hooky is exploiting Joy Division for money. They make it 3 versus 1 to get revenge. The reform New Order to make money. Hooky is outraged and acts like an immature asshole, like an ex-husband furious at his ex-wife. Barney giggles (literally) like he screwed over his spouse and got to keep the house and Mercedes. Hooky is mad at Steve and Gillian for siding with Barney. Phil is probably a footnote in the precedings. The record company will not really make any money over Lost Sirens, so they don't care anymore. Not sure Bernard even cares if Lost Sirens gets released, just maybe if they can piss of Hooky in the process. Hooky is not going to give in no matter what out of stubborn principle, even if there is no profit left to be gained. Amazing that the Lost Siren tracks have never been leaked... maybe nobody felt it was worth the bother.
I would think that the ultimate revenge would be for one side to leak the album. It hasn't leaked -- no stash box from behind a sofa or in a basement has yielded tracks. It's all about the $$$.
0_o wrote: Barney is pissed off at Hooky leaving and exploiting Joy Division so Barney wants to fuck over Hooky. Steve and Gillian are mad that Hooky is exploiting Joy Division for money. They make it 3 versus 1 to get revenge. They reform New Order to make money. Hooky is outraged and acts like an immature asshole, like an ex-husband furious at his ex-wife. Barney giggles (literally) like he screwed over his spouse and got to keep the house and Mercedes. Hooky is mad at Steve and Gillian for siding with Barney. Phil is probably a footnote in the precedings. The record company will not really make much money from Lost Sirens, so they don't care anymore. Not sure Bernard even cares if Lost Sirens gets released, just maybe if they can piss of Hooky in the process. Hooky is not going to give in no matter what out of stubborn principle, even if there is no profit left to be gained. Amazing that the Lost Siren tracks have never been leaked... maybe nobody felt it was worth the bother.
I don't know the band members but I don't think the motives are as revenge-based as you think. Unless this is a piss-take, this is one of most ridiculous pieces of rubbish I've ever read here.
Personally I think the Hookster's cutting off his nose to spite his face, not literallly. It'll have to come out sooner or later and the longer the wait goes on, the more people'll lose interest and feel disappointed when it does appear - after all, 5 new tracks, it's a pretty low-key affair innit? Plus Hooky'll benefit cos it'll generate interest - no publicity's bad publicity and all that - oh, and money! God I wish this story'd come to its natural conclusion... PS I like Hooky.
Mike C. wrote:
0_o wrote: Barney is pissed off at Hooky leaving and exploiting Joy Division so Barney wants to fuck over Hooky. Steve and Gillian are mad that Hooky is exploiting Joy Division for money. They make it 3 versus 1 to get revenge. The reform New Order to make money. Hooky is outraged and acts like an immature asshole, like an ex-husband furious at his ex-wife. Barney giggles (literally) like he screwed over his spouse and got to keep the house and Mercedes. Hooky is mad at Steve and Gillian for siding with Barney. Phil is probably a footnote in the precedings. The record company will not really make any money over Lost Sirens, so they don't care anymore. Not sure Bernard even cares if Lost Sirens gets released, just maybe if they can piss of Hooky in the process. Hooky is not going to give in no matter what out of stubborn principle, even if there is no profit left to be gained. Amazing that the Lost Siren tracks have never been leaked... maybe nobody felt it was worth the bother.
I would think that the ultimate revenge would be for one side to leak the album. It hasn't leaked -- no stash box from behind a sofa or in a basement has yielded tracks. It's all about the $$$.
There are no promotional cdr's or MP3's for Lost Sirens at the minute so i will definately NOT leak.
Mike C. wrote:
0_o wrote: Barney is pissed off at Hooky leaving and exploiting Joy Division so Barney wants to fuck over Hooky. Steve and Gillian are mad that Hooky is exploiting Joy Division for money. They make it 3 versus 1 to get revenge. The reform New Order to make money. Hooky is outraged and acts like an immature asshole, like an ex-husband furious at his ex-wife. Barney giggles (literally) like he screwed over his spouse and got to keep the house and Mercedes. Hooky is mad at Steve and Gillian for siding with Barney. Phil is probably a footnote in the precedings. The record company will not really make any money over Lost Sirens, so they don't care anymore. Not sure Bernard even cares if Lost Sirens gets released, just maybe if they can piss of Hooky in the process. Hooky is not going to give in no matter what out of stubborn principle, even if there is no profit left to be gained. Amazing that the Lost Siren tracks have never been leaked... maybe nobody felt it was worth the bother.
I would think that the ultimate revenge would be for one side to leak the album. It hasn't leaked -- no stash box from behind a sofa or in a basement has yielded tracks. It's all about the $$$.
There are no promotional cdr's or MP3's for Lost Sirens at the minute so i will definately NOT leak.
Agree with you,
Based on preorders I guess it'll still make a pretty penny for Warner (remember nonsense that was Total had charted) - they'll keep it from leaking. They'll also suppy lawyers. Expect it relatively soon. Maybe related maybe not, what had been the deal with the PIMM ep being delayed, also something legal? might be he's taking revenge for that (apart from the obvious fucking them every way he can).
Its fuckin new order innit, of course i'm looking 4ward to the 5 tracks i've never heard, so I for one will rush out or actually in nowadays to my computer and order the vinyl (cause i is old) and for the record (see what i did there) i like hellbent
Copied from my own Twitter account... "I think I'm sick and tired of waiting for 'Lost Sirens'. #neworder" ...that's what I wrote on there earlier. If it ever comes out, I wouldn't mind having a listen, but I wish there wasn't a vinyl to it. If it gets released, I'd ideally like to see a 'normal edition' without the vinyl, either on CD, or at least sold on iTunes or something.
Given that Hooky's just announced that he will be touring "Movement"/"Power Corruption & Lies" and announced shows in London + Manchester, I can't see how there will ever be a thaw.
It's a fucking desperate move, in my opinion.
markreed wrote: Given that Hooky's just announced that he will be touring "Movement"/"Power Corruption & Lies" and announced shows in London + Manchester, I can't see how there will ever be a thaw.
It's a fucking desperate move, in my opinion.
I just saw this info, on Hooky's Twitter. (I don't 'follow' him, but I've searched for it.)
markreed wrote: Given that Hooky's just announced that he will be touring "Movement"/"Power Corruption & Lies" and announced shows in London + Manchester, I can't see how there will ever be a thaw.
It's a fucking desperate move, in my opinion.
Why is it desperate?
Fair play to him.
I'll go.
markreed wrote: Given that Hooky's just announced that he will be touring "Movement"/"Power Corruption & Lies" and announced shows in London + Manchester, I can't see how there will ever be a thaw.
It's a fucking desperate move, in my opinion.
It would mean Hooky singing lyrics written by Barney so that would turn up the heat a little bit more...
I could imagine Hooky growling his way through a song like 586 but not so sure about how he would get on with a sensitive song like YSF...
Cranelane wrote:
markreed wrote: Given that Hooky's just announced that he will be touring "Movement"/"Power Corruption & Lies" and announced shows in London + Manchester, I can't see how there will ever be a thaw.
It's a fucking desperate move, in my opinion.
It would mean Hooky singing lyrics written by Barney so that would turn up the heat a little bit more...
I could imagine Hooky growling his way through a song like 586 but not so sure about how he would get on with a sensitive song like YSF...
Maybe he'll get Pottsy back in? 😎
London gig is at KOKO, Jan 17th. Fairly decent-sized venue for them to fill.
Wonder what the Other Three think about this and whether they'll decide to cut him off at the pass and do more gigs themselves come 2013?
I reckon Re:Order should cover Sisters and Brothers 👍
Hooky played it at FAC251 and DJed the track several times, so we all know how it goes.
Biginoil wrote: I reckon Re:Order should cover Sisters and Brothers 👍
Hooky played it at FAC251 and DJed the track several times, so we all know how it goes.
Any idea where I can find it? I'd love to hear it again, but I remember the video on facebook was removed.
El Jarvo wrote:
markreed wrote: Given that Hooky's just announced that he will be touring "Movement"/"Power Corruption & Lies" and announced shows in London + Manchester, I can't see how there will ever be a thaw.
It's a fucking desperate move, in my opinion.
Why is it desperate?
Fair play to him.
I'll go.
i'll be there too,will be interesting to see what Hookys take on PC&L is like.
El Jarvo wrote:
markreed wrote: Given that Hooky's just announced that he will be touring "Movement"/"Power Corruption & Lies" and announced shows in London + Manchester, I can't see how there will ever be a thaw.
It's a fucking desperate move, in my opinion.
Why is it desperate?
Fair play to him.
I'll go.
Why?
He WAS touring Joy Division. At least Joy Division don't exist anymore. He's been touring the JD nostalgia show for three years. Now he's run out of JD stuff, it's onto New Order. At least the singer of JD is dead and can't sing anymore, and there isn't a JD. So even with the whole tenuous link of Bass-Player-Singing-Songs-He-Didn't-Originally-Sing-and-Not-Playing-The-Instrument-He-Played-On-The-Records which seemed a bit of a loose connection to the original JD band, he's now in the whole Bass-Player-Singing-Songs-He-Didn't-Originally-Sing-and-Not-Playing-The-Instrument-He-Played-On-The-Records-Even-Though-The-Original-Singer-Is-Still-Alive-And-The-Band-Are-Actually-Together position.
How would we feel if it wasn't Hooky? If say, it was another band. If it was Jason-Newsted ex-Metallica touring one of their albums? It's a desperate move. Or perhaps someone who used to be guitarist in Whitesnake trying to sing some of their drivel. Think of something else to do Hooky. We don't need Faux New Order when the actual New Order are touring. And if I had to pick between Hooky and Barney singing New Order, Barneys a better singer. Always has been. It's not too far until we get the Peter-Hook-performs-The-Other-Two-And-You in 2023.
Lets not mention Rowetta fucking murdering the songs. You might as well have Lady-Gaga-sings-Nirvana.
For heavens sake, Hooky, I've never wanted you to be anything less than a success, but seeing you perform a set full of New Order songs with a bunch of mostly Sleeperblokes, singing songs you never sang, and not playing bass, is a bloody horrific idea. I've seen Frankenbands trying to cover old songs when there's only the singer, or the accountant, left, and it is a degrading sight to the songs. I don't want imagine Hooky and The Blokes trying to growl their way through "Blue Monday". I might as well go and see Howling Mad Frank down the local pub karoke over the 12".
LET IT GO, HOOKY.
Write new songs, record new songs, tour new songs, and play some old ones at the same time, and I wish you every success in the matter, but STOP LIVING IN THE PAST, stop selling bricks and bits of ground up old beer cans from a club that closed 15 years ago, and stop trying to make a buck out of being the worlds only tribute act to Who You Were Thirty Years Ago.
If I wanted to see New Order, I'd go see New Order.
markreed wrote:
Write new songs, record new songs, tour new songs, and play some old ones at the same time, and I wish you every success in the matter, but STOP LIVING IN THE PAST, stop selling bricks and bits of ground up old beer cans from a club that closed 15 years ago, and stop trying to make a buck out of being the worlds only tribute act to Who You Were Thirty Years Ago.
If I wanted to see New Order, I'd go see New Order.
^^ Exactly. Peter Hook is and always has been an artist/musician, and IMO, for any artist or musician, creation should always be at the core, rather doing your own retrospective of yourself. Create something new and embrace the inevitable changes in technology when it comes to music, and only then you can be young again... seriously.
I am very eager to hear these songs.
markreed wrote:
El Jarvo wrote:
markreed wrote: Given that Hooky's just announced that he will be touring "Movement"/"Power Corruption & Lies" and announced shows in London + Manchester, I can't see how there will ever be a thaw.
It's a fucking desperate move, in my opinion.
Why is it desperate?
Fair play to him.
I'll go.
Why?
He WAS touring Joy Division. At least Joy Division don't exist anymore. He's been touring the JD nostalgia show for three years. Now he's run out of JD stuff, it's onto New Order. At least the singer of JD is dead and can't sing anymore, and there isn't a JD. So even with the whole tenuous link of Bass-Player-Singing-Songs-He-Didn't-Originally-Sing-and-Not-Playing-The-Instrument-He-Played-On-The-Records which seemed a bit of a loose connection to the original JD band, he's now in the whole Bass-Player-Singing-Songs-He-Didn't-Originally-Sing-and-Not-Playing-The-Instrument-He-Played-On-The-Records-Even-Though-The-Original-Singer-Is-Still-Alive-And-The-Band-Are-Actually-Together position.
How would we feel if it wasn't Hooky? If say, it was another band. If it was Jason-Newsted ex-Metallica touring one of their albums? It's a desperate move. Or perhaps someone who used to be guitarist in Whitesnake trying to sing some of their drivel. Think of something else to do Hooky. We don't need Faux New Order when the actual New Order are touring. And if I had to pick between Hooky and Barney singing New Order, Barneys a better singer. Always has been. It's not too far until we get the Peter-Hook-performs-The-Other-Two-And-You in 2023.
Lets not mention Rowetta fucking murdering the songs. You might as well have Lady-Gaga-sings-Nirvana.
For heavens sake, Hooky, I've never wanted you to be anything less than a success, but seeing you perform a set full of New Order songs with a bunch of mostly Sleeperblokes, singing songs you never sang, and not playing bass, is a bloody horrific idea. I've seen Frankenbands trying to cover old songs when there's only the singer, or the accountant, left, and it is a degrading sight to the songs. I don't want imagine Hooky and The Blokes trying to growl their way through "Blue Monday". I might as well go and see Howling Mad Frank down the local pub karoke over the 12".
LET IT GO, HOOKY.
Write new songs, record new songs, tour new songs, and play some old ones at the same time, and I wish you every success in the matter, but STOP LIVING IN THE PAST, stop selling bricks and bits of ground up old beer cans from a club that closed 15 years ago, and stop trying to make a buck out of being the worlds only tribute act to Who You Were Thirty Years Ago.
If I wanted to see New Order, I'd go see New Order.
Well said mark, a genuine post if ever there was one.
edspess wrote:
El Jarvo wrote:
Biginoil wrote: so we all know how it goes.
I don't.
Me neither 😕
me neither
Gazman wrote: Lost Interest
I haven't lost interest completely, maybe a little...just lost a bit of patience. ![[hi]](/emoticons/hi.gif){kind=small}
If No are working on new material then Lost Sirens is probably dead.
Still, good to MOVE ON from all the crap of recent times.
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