I think everyone can agree that Crystal is better than most of us could have hoped for, but is it an instant classic. Dicuss it amongst yourselves (PS If someone else has hosted a similar debate, I apologize. I haven't had access to this site in quite a while.)
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Crystal...a new classic track?
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Yes IT IS our good old Trevor, a.k.a. Taboo 7 !
He used to be the best message poster on this site.... come on, get back here! Huntsy needs competition.
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Well, Trevor, to actually respond to your question, to me actually Crystal IS a classic. The more I listen to it, the more I like it. To me, for example, it is much better than Regret, which seems a little juvenile by comparison.
sorry patrick have to disagree regreat is easily a top 5 new order track, crystal in comparison is weak not even top 20
The album version of Crystal is classic New Order, it has all the ingredients - barneys guitar, Hookys bass and i think has the sound of Gillians synths in there (which most other tracks on Get ready other than poss vicious circle, miss) plus a shit load of music to end it - pure New Order. This may not be popular but i think Regret is an overrated track, Ruined In A Day was better, in fact when they played Regret in Liverpool i went for a piss!!
Yes, Rob, I should have made that distinction. It is the album version that is great; the radio edit is nothing by comparison.
Well, Nick, I know a lot of people really like Regret; it's just not one of my personal favorites.
Crystal is a good track, the album version being the best but a little directionless towards the end. Regret is a better track for me and the Fire Island mix far outstrips any of Crystals remixes by a good bit though some of them are decent enough. The lyric for Crystal is really good, one of my faves in fact, 'We're like Crystal, We break easy'. Great Stuff.
Actually I prefer the Single mix to the LP mix - lose that damn wail at the begining for starters! it's to long drawn out on the LP
After many more listenings, Crystal just gets better and better. It leaves Regret in the dust.
... the angel dust?.
Crystal is comparable to Regret, not better (In My Opini-onion). I do find myself nodding my head to the beats of Crystal like the kind of movement you do when you lose your marbles and sometimes I dance around my front room like an imbecile when it gets going - when it gets ready. Whereas Regret makes me imagine I wrote the song and that all my old girlfriends (both of them) are listening to it and thinking... yeah Huntsman was really cool, and I wished I was still with him because he wants a place where he can make a telephone conversation and not be bothered by anyone asking if he wants a cup of tea or something.
Maybe I've forgotten, the name and the address... of everyone I've ever met... well its nothing that the Huntsman is regretting.
Your like Crystal... you brake easy. I'm a poor man, if Huntsman leaves me.
Tra-la-la la la
Huntsy, I think your new outer space locale is having an unfortunate effect on your taste and judgment. Rugrat is no match for Crystal. Trust me.
I can assure you my taste and decency is firmly locked into place.
Crystal is new Patty, think logically and think laterally... in a few years, Turn My Way, Crystal AND Regret will be safley within the NO all time top 10 hall of fame.
Trust Me... I know what I'm saying.
Well, Huntsy, I agree with two thirds of your prediction; and I didn't question your decency, Huntsy boy; I would never ever do that, even in outer space. Is that the same outer space immortalized by Prodigy?
Crystal's my fave at the moment coz after 8 long years, I, like most others I'm sure, thought it'd be cack. The fact it isn't makes it all the sweeter.
Like Mr Huntsman said though, they're both classic tracks.
I think what is also striking is how much better the album version is than the "radio edit." After listening many times to the short version on the Japanese single before the album version was available, I wasn't really impressed. But the long version is so much better.
Originally posted by Patrick I think what is also striking is how much better the album version is than the "radio edit." After listening many times to the short version on the Japanese single before the album version was available, I wasn't really impressed. But the long version is so much better.
That reminds me of a time where the good song versions were the long ones, not the single edits. Remember The Perfect Kiss, BLT 12", True Faith...
That was also the point of Substance...
And, btw, I loooove Regret, classic pop track.
I hope I haven't offended you, Huntsy, with my negative comments about RagRot. But it is true, you know, that we've had eight years to digest Regurgitate, and for me at least, well I just can't keep it down.
The new Hunsty and Klumpy adventures in outer space...
In tonight's episode, Huntsy and Klumpy discuss Turn My Feet on the moon.
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Originally posted by Patrick I hope I haven't offended you, Huntsy, with my negative comments about RagRot. But it is true, you know, that we've had eight years to digest Regurgitate, and for me at least, well I just can't keep it down.
I know it's all a matter of taste, Patrick, but for someone like you who seems pretty sensitive, it's surprising you're not moved by that song.
The opening notes just give me goosebumps.
Well, I thought somebody was going to start a "Republic vs Technique" discussion, so I thought i`d get in first...
Geoff, the new space adventure sounds very exciting. Can the spacecraft house Patty if he swears not to say anymore bad things about Regret?
Buster's right Pats... being a sensitive Order-ite, it surprised me too that Regret fails to make the grade for you.
Turn My Feet Regrettable Instances Crystal Biscuits
All tear jerkers in my book.
And Running Wild... well, that's level 2.
I don't know what it is about Regrew My Beard; maybe I was just in a bad mood in 1993, I don't know. I promise to stop now. I wouldn't want to be put out before the ship has landed.
Originally posted by Patrick I don't know what it is about Regrew My Beard; maybe I was just in a bad mood in 1993, I don't know. I promise to stop now. I wouldn't want to be put out before the ship has landed.
Don't worry, you're welcome on our ship, Patty...
You know, you've got to have a lot of supporting characters cause, most of the time, they are the ones that get the more successful.
The introduction of song names in our talks today has filled me with much laughter... great stuff. I hope everyone everywhere picks them up.
In 1993 I had a bad split with a bird and never saw her again... Regret was released and I always hoped she would listen to the song and think of me. A bit sad really, but there you go.
Me and the Klumps still can't accept your 'out of character' behaviour towards the legendary song...
'Rebate'
discuss.
Thanks, Geoff.
Well, Huntsy, I promised to stop, but if you insist, here goes. My lack of esteem for ReGrate is wholly because of the melody, the sequence of notes, and has nothing to do with the lyrics. I'm not a musician, so I don't have technical terms available to use. But to me, the sequence of notes just seems, as I said before, juvenile, or to use a different word, sappy. I can't even imagine comparing something like TMW to RageRoute. TMW to me is genuinely moving; Ragout is not.
Enough! Enough! I give up! RogueRate is even better than Wreak the Sheik! Are you satisfied now, Huntsy?
Originally posted by Patrick RigRiot by itself is better than all other NO songs combined.
I guess that's what tey all say, just before they fall apart
Huntsy, I was just trying to follow instructions, now that you've somehow persuaded me to see the error of my ways.
Well, Huntsy, that temporary brainwashing I suffered has worn off, and I have come to my senses and remembered: ReGrout doesn't do it.
Admiration and due respect to Patty, the man who stuck to his guns whilst under emotional attack.
Captain Patrick Smithy - a leader amongst men, women and animals.
Thanks, Huntsy for your kind and generous words. But you know you never really gave a proper response to my feeble attempt to explain my lack of respect for that little item from 1993 whose name I can't at the moment recall?
So, Huntsy, should I take your silence to mean that you find my characterization of that little ditty simply unanswerable?
Originally posted by Huntsman Tra-la-la la la
No offense, but I much prefer Sha-la-la-la-la's.
I picked up the single at a local store recently, so I'm afraid I've had more xposure to that then the album version. Come Oct 16, I'll be able to weigh in on which is better. I really like Crystal, it definitely is a winner as far as I'm concerned
You mean "Anyone here? Hello? Am I by myself" Ah Sebastien you old cad, I've moved beyond that........................................by the way, anyone here? Hello?
Just a reminder for those thinking Krafty was the only song that people gave negative reviews 
Yes, as I've posted elsewhere, I don't recall back in August 2001 Crystal being considered the classic many people seem to think it is now. I think it's better as a live track and maybe that's the source of its popularity. Too many people are using Regret as the baseline of a first single - Regret was a once-in-a-career moment.
Yes, as I've posted elsewhere, I don't recall back in August 2001 Crystal being considered the classic many people seem to think it is now. I think it's better as a live track and maybe that's the source of its popularity. Too many people are using Regret as the baseline of a first single.
Must be a classic, still wasn't the only good track on the album. think you could say that the whole album is a classic in the making. They are still introduced on radio as one of the most influential bands around.
