Box Set Tracklisting - song by song revealed — Forum Archive

25 Oct 2002, 12:49

Originally posted by Andrew Morrison Mmm, well it looks like London Records were using a strange distorted form of democracy, when they asked advice from us fans about what we'd like to see on the set: they didn't use any of our suggestions!Seriously though, if the four people who selected the disc's running orders are as massively into new order as the rest of us, they should have carefully selected at least hard to find versions of these tracks, rather than the usual album mixes. Why not just do a "Pet Shop Boys", and remaster all the albums with a bonus disc of a few B-sides and demos instead? (I know why, actually - money, but there you go).The best we can hope for is that the studio versions of Fine Time/Temptation/Perfect Kiss/Ceremony/Confusion/Blue Monday/In A Lonely Place/Lonesome Tonight will be the 7" or full length 12" versions which aren't on any CD compilations so far (but I very much doubt they will be).The live disc looks good, but the remix disc only has one mix on which I don't have (the hard-to-find 'Paradise' mix on the Aussie True Faith 12"). Don't we have enough remix compilations/singles already? Could've done with swapping that for a rarities/demos disc, I reckon.Going on the number of tracks on each disc, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of those mixes are edited down, 'Substance' style too (isn't that 'Regret' remix about 12 minutes long?). Will they finally manage to get the correct version of 'Temptation' on there at last (my bet is that it'll be the original 7")?I think they'll have to keep the price at around £17, otherwise not many people will be buying it!Andrew Morrisonwww.TrustNoOne.org.uk

The tracklisting you are referring to is the french "International".. the 2nd disc is probably the result of the mails we sent to Warner Musique France.

The rest, all discs have been selected by a different person...

Now let's hope there is no album or single version on this.. it would be nice to have unreleased material, for instance, the pre-mix of Run Wild (you can have that on the pre-promo), the first version of Crystal that came in mp3 8 months before its release, the first version of Here To Stay N21 is talking about, the 20 mins version of Elegia, etc...

Otherwise, this product is not worth buying... even if we'll buy it.

25 Oct 2002, 13:08

Originally posted by Marco Pleil What is the "Original Version" of "Everything's Gone Green" please ??? And is the "Chemical Brothers Remix" of Here To Stay already available??? Is it the radio edit or what?Help!

As I understand it, technically the "original" version of 'Everything's Gone Green' was the seven inch version, with 'Procession' on the flip side. This is only some 4:15 in length. The 'Substance' version was on the FBN 12" issued a month or so later, and was basically the full length version with the longer intro and no fade out (also on '1981-1982').

As for 'Here To Stay', I reckon it'll probably just be the 'Full Length Vocal' (4:57) as featured on the 12" and the '24 Hour Party People' soundtrack. It could, however, be the 'Extended Instrumental' which only featured on the Austrailian releases of the single as clocks in at 5:57 - not a bad mix, in the tradition of those 'Substance' tape two B-side 12" remixes we used to love so much.

Giong on the rest of this track list, it doesn't look like anyone concerned has taken an interest in fans' requests to have the hard-to-find mixes and tracks in one boxed set, so it'll probably just be the single version.

So much for our demands to get all the original 'Confusion's, seven inches and twelve inch instrumental mixes on CD at last... back to my Technics 1210 and DAT recorder, I think...

Andrew Morrison http://www.TrustNoOne.org.uk

25 Oct 2002, 13:23

What did you all expect from the record company? The Moon on a day-glo stick??

The fuckin idiots.

25 Oct 2002, 14:07

Oh man, this looks like a steaming pile of dung....

I would have hoped for a more comprehensive collection ("Early years", "Low-life/Bro'hood/Subs", "Tech-GR", and "live 1980-2002"), and the four-disc set as it is doesn't do that. Hell, I'm sure if we all got together we could come up with a far better selection than the shitload that's being heaped on us now.....

25 Oct 2002, 14:17

Originally posted by N21 > Originally posted by Patrick> > > > Originally posted by ShugZV© > > > > > > The Chemical Brothers remix will be the 6 minute 50 version of the song and not the edited radio version....>

I don't recall a 6:50 version; wasn't the "longer" version about 5:00?

There is the original "here to stay" which hasn't surfaced yet (and might never officially surface at all) - i think it clocks in at 6:50 and has the original "to rescue you and i'll set you rfree" vocal. it has also few to no guitars at all and is weaker. But isn't Here To Stay weak anyway...

Sorry, it is a 6:02 version...

25 Oct 2002, 14:21

not instrumental.

25 Oct 2002, 14:30

BULLSHIT!!!!! This box set had better be mine for 16.99 or i'll throw my toys around and refuse to eat dinner...

by the way Huntsy...the Slow n Low mix is FUCKING BEAUTIFUL....do you not like electronic music? do you prefer the Doves to Sub Sub? Side one or Side two of Brotherhood? Micro-chips at dawn.

You also had harsh words to say about Underworld...words i felt were neither fair, nor informed. We can agree that this "Box Set" is a major cock up...someone with ties to the band make sure you mention how the REAL FANS think the FUCKED this up big time. This is nearly the last straw in my long love fest for NewOrder. They have done nothing but disappoint (with the exception of a handfull of awesome tunes) for the last decade and a half. They have lost their beauty and now seem to be miliking the cash cow. Did anyone look at the incredible output from Bjork? Full live shows on DVD, complete Video collections, personally selected 3" discs included as a bonus in the Box Set that features new, unreleased versions of some songs and a Greatest Hits chosen entirely by fans...IS THAT SO FUKCING HARD? New Order smell like old men who are no longer relavent nor caring about their output or fan base...

25 Oct 2002, 14:53

Originally posted by Benny's Cobweb Eyes Obviously there's a few anomalies here......Slow Jam on the hits disc ?Run Wild on the early years disc ?Date of EGG is wrong - it's 12/3/83 not 85Date of World is wrong - can't be 1983 !!Surely they aren't just going to dump the original studio versions back out on us with all these ? Maybe there will be demo versions of some of the tracks instead of simply the album version. Otherwise it ain't worth buying - having got all the live recordings already (indeed masters of three of the shows), I'm almost regretting having paid for it already !

as usual, you are very correct....

"9. World (Starplex Amphitheatre, Dallas, 21 July 1983)"

first off, we all know the song had yet to be recorded in 1983...secondly...Starplex had yet to be constructed in 1983...it was just a grassy patch in the outskirts of Fair Park at that time...thirdly...New Order never played here in Dallas until 1989...

so I'm going to have to guess that they mean the year to be 1993...the second ever, and quite possibly, the last show, they ever did here...but I was there!!! not that any of you really care!!!!

25 Oct 2002, 15:20

Where are all the instrumentals and B-sides??? True story, last night I had a dream about this box set (it had the same artwork, packaging and disc design as Substance, believe it or not...), so I wake up, hop online and discovered how lame the tracklisting is. Maybe I'm still in the dream...*WAKE UP WAKE UP WAKE UP*....nope, it's reality :headoff:

25 Oct 2002, 16:10

Originally posted by Marco Pleil You mean the "EGG"-version on the canadian 1982-EP ??? It's the same as the Substance-Version or am i completeley wrong?

I've got both and they're the same.

25 Oct 2002, 16:25

Originally posted by Tout est devenu vert > Originally posted by Marco Pleil> > > You mean the "EGG"-version on the canadian 1982-EP ??? It's the same as the Substance-Version or am i completeley wrong?>

I've got both and they're the same.

my words mate :D

25 Oct 2002, 16:49

I would have given this box set the benefit of the doubt if the original 12' of Temptation & Confusion were included. Shyte, that's all I was asking for. But now I'm going to go outside and bang my head against a concrete wall.

Cheers

25 Oct 2002, 21:11

just got home from a long day...and.......

...please somebody tell me this a joke... anybody... please????

what is the point? it does nothing well!

why release a "greatest hits" CD and then have the "hits" CD on the Boxset?? why have no sense of order? why have no rare unique live tracks...? why have such an odd mix of "mixes"... why not have something at least a little off the beaten track like the excellent Peel versions of "5.8.6" and "Turn the Heater On", or any unrealeased early stuff ? what's the fucking point!?

A BOXSET usually is meant to be either...

a) a sense of history of the band, a monument to the band, the past, and their legacy, something you can put on the shelf and feel proud... grade of D

b) a large complete best of.... IV does not really fill that bill ...i'll give it a grade C, especially considering the remix disc doesnt really stick to the "classics" at all

c) a collection for the completist that goes beyond what you can buy already, with rare or hard to get stuff as treats ... D grade

i mean, it is like a sampler with a live disc tacked on... *cries softly*

i am so disappointed... ........ unbelievable... please tell me that this a joke, the Slow Jam and Run Wild placement have to be a clue...

25 Oct 2002, 22:06

isn't the 7" Everything's Gone Green a different recording session from the 12"??

26 Oct 2002, 00:09

Can we just open one thread called "Box Set - complain here" so that we don't have to read about everyone ranting over the most obvious and foreshadowed lame box set of the millenium? We all knew it was going to be a very average and not rare box. Why did you allow yourself to think otherwise? It is exactly what I expected it to be - with the exception of the live disk (which has a great track listing for a live compilation album). Like I said before: get over it, go cry to mama, then get your wallet out, pay the man, and go home with your average box set like the rest of us.

26 Oct 2002, 01:15

one word: REDUNDANCY. :nonono: except for, as mentioned above, the live CD, which i'm quite excited about as well.

26 Oct 2002, 01:34

yeah, sucks. could i just buy the live cd alone?

:cowboy:

26 Oct 2002, 01:43

Originally posted by snucker brownstein yeah, sucks. could i just buy the live cd alone?

Sorry you have to BUY it all.Still there will be plenty of time before XMAS to pinch this from HMV.:D

26 Oct 2002, 01:47

Originally posted by MUTINY ON THE BOUNTY > Originally posted by snucker brownstein> yeah, sucks. could i just buy the live cd alone?> >

Sorry you have to BUY it all.Still there will be plenty of time before XMAS to pinch this from HMV.:D

fuck that. i could buy a discman (which i sorely need...sick of cassette tapes) with the $$$ i would have to spend on a box set. :violent:

:xmas:

26 Oct 2002, 02:13

Originally posted by Benny's Cobweb Eyes Disc One: Hits (Miranda Sawyer) 1. Fine Time 2. Temptation 3. True Faith 4. The Perfect Kiss 5. Ceremony 6. Regret 7. Crystal 8. Bizarre Love Triangle 9. Confusion 10. Round & Round 11. Blue Monday 12. Brutal 13. Slow Jam 14. Everyone Everywhere Disc Two: Early Years (John McCready) 1. Elegia 2. In A Lonely Place 3. All Day Long 4. Your Silent Face 5. Sunrise 6. Broken Promise 7. Dreams Never End 8. Cries & Whispers 9. Chosen Time 10. Ecstasy 11. Sooner Than You Think 12. Leave Me Alone 13. Lonesome Tonight 14. Every Little Counts 15. Run Wild Disc Three: Mixes (Mike Pickering) 1. Confusion (Koma & Bones Mix With Bernard's New Vocal) 2. Paradise (Robert Ricic Mix) 3. Regret (Sabres Slow N Low Mix) 4. Bizarre Love Triangle (Shep Pettibone Mix) 5. Shell Shock (John Robie Mix) 6. Fine Time (Steve 'Silk' Hurley Mix) 7. 1963 (Arthur Baker Mix) 8. Touched By The Hand Of God (Original Version) 9. Everything's Gone Green (Original Version) 10. Blue Monday (Jam & Spoon Manuela Mix) 11. World In Motion (Pickering/Parke Mix) 12. Here To Stay (Chemical Brothers Remix) 13. Crystal (Lee Coombs Remix) Disc four: Live (Bobby Gillespie) 1. Ceremony (Studio 54, Barcelona 7th July 1984) 2. Procession (Sunderland, 15th August 1984) 3. Everything's Gone Green (Tolworth Rec. Centre, Kingston, London 6th December 1985) 4. In A Lonely Place (Glastonbury Festival, 20th June 1981) 5. Age Of Consent (Spectrum Arena, Warrington, 1st March 1986) 6. This Time Of Night (Fulcrum Centre, Slough, 7th December 1985) 7. The Perfect Kiss (Fulcrum Centre, Slough, 7th December 1985) 8. Fine Time (Hoffman Estates, Chicago, 30th June 1989) 9. World (Starplex Amphitheatre, Dallas, 21 July 1983) 10. Regret (Reading Festival, 31st August 1993) 11. As It Is When It Was (Reading Festival) From HMV.co.uk

BORING SHIT CRAP IM REALLY GETTING PISSED OF WITH NEW ORDER

26 Oct 2002, 06:56

Originally posted by Ian Pillar > Originally posted by Benny's Cobweb Eyes> Disc One: Hits (Miranda Sawyer) > 1. Fine Time > 2. Temptation > 3. True Faith > 4. The Perfect Kiss > 5. Ceremony > 6. Regret > 7. Crystal > 8. Bizarre Love Triangle > 9. Confusion > 10. Round & Round > 11. Blue Monday > 12. Brutal > 13. Slow Jam > 14. Everyone Everywhere > Disc Two: Early Years (John McCready) > 1. Elegia > 2. In A Lonely Place > 3. All Day Long > 4. Your Silent Face > 5. Sunrise > 6. Broken Promise > 7. Dreams Never End > 8. Cries & Whispers > 9. Chosen Time > 10. Ecstasy > 11. Sooner Than You Think > 12. Leave Me Alone > 13. Lonesome Tonight > 14. Every Little Counts > 15. Run Wild > Disc Three: Mixes (Mike Pickering) > 1. Confusion (Koma & Bones Mix With Bernard's New Vocal) > 2. Paradise (Robert Ricic Mix) > 3. Regret (Sabres Slow N Low Mix) > 4. Bizarre Love Triangle (Shep Pettibone Mix) > 5. Shell Shock (John Robie Mix) > 6. Fine Time (Steve 'Silk' Hurley Mix) > 7. 1963 (Arthur Baker Mix) > 8. Touched By The Hand Of God (Original Version) > 9. Everything's Gone Green (Original Version) > 10. Blue Monday (Jam & Spoon Manuela Mix) > 11. World In Motion (Pickering/Parke Mix) > 12. Here To Stay (Chemical Brothers Remix) > 13. Crystal (Lee Coombs Remix) > Disc four: Live (Bobby Gillespie) > 1. Ceremony (Studio 54, Barcelona 7th July 1984) > 2. Procession (Sunderland, 15th August 1984) > 3. Everything's Gone Green (Tolworth Rec. Centre, Kingston, London 6th December 1985) > 4. In A Lonely Place (Glastonbury Festival, 20th June 1981) > 5. Age Of Consent (Spectrum Arena, Warrington, 1st March 1986) > 6. This Time Of Night (Fulcrum Centre, Slough, 7th December 1985) > 7. The Perfect Kiss (Fulcrum Centre, Slough, 7th December 1985) > 8. Fine Time (Hoffman Estates, Chicago, 30th June 1989) > 9. World (Starplex Amphitheatre, Dallas, 21 July 1983) > 10. Regret (Reading Festival, 31st August 1993) > 11. As It Is When It Was (Reading Festival) > > > From HMV.co.uk

BORING SHIT CRAP IM REALLY GETTING PISSED OF WITH NEW ORDER So you happy with it then IAN?:D

26 Oct 2002, 07:56

Originally posted by i don't care isn't the 7" Everything's Gone Green a different recording session from the 12"??

Nah, you're thinking of 'Temptation' which had a different recording on the seven inch to the twelve inch - both of which were good versions. No one will every know though, as the excellent seven inch version is no where to be found on the box set - surprise, surprise.

Andy.

26 Oct 2002, 07:57

Originally posted by Benny's Cobweb Eyes > Originally posted by ShugZV© > The live CD is not much diffferent to what I'd heard, but I also heard they were gonna put Temptation and YSF on it from the Cologne concert....so I'm a bit pissed off about that!> :D

Dunno where you heard that Shug - wishful thinking on your part. They weren't included in the list of tracks we had.

Who's WE? I got an e-mail from a pretty reliable source, but asking for names not to be mentioned, 75% of the tracks are there, so it wasn't far off the mark....to nane names would be a bit daft, hopefully the next info will be more acurate.....I'm sure they are reading this;)

26 Oct 2002, 10:22

Originally posted by ShugZV©
> Originally posted by Benny's Cobweb Eyes> > > > Originally posted by ShugZV© > > The live CD is not much diffferent to what I'd heard, but I also heard they were gonna put Temptation and YSF on it from the Cologne concert....so I'm a bit pissed off about that!> > :D>

Dunno where you heard that Shug - wishful thinking on your part. They weren't included in the list of tracks we had.

Who's WE? I got an e-mail from a pretty reliable source, but asking for names not to be mentioned, 75% of the tracks are there, so it wasn't far off the mark....to nane names would be a bit daft, hopefully the next info will be more acurate.....I'm sure they are reading this;)

So did I, hence the reluctance to say too much, but it didn't mention any tracks from Cologne.