New Order spotting thread

YSF spotting? Let's see if I can up the ante.

Everyone here read Pulitzer prize winning novel The Goldfinch by Donna Tartt? Nah, me neither. It's only 784 pages long so maybe I'll knock it off one evening. It's been made into a film this year starring Ansel Elgort (Baby from Baby Driver - which was a blast BTW), Nicole Kidman, Luke Wilson, Finn Wolfhard (Stranger Things), Jeffrey Wright, Sarah Paulson and more. Cinematography by Roger Deakins - the best in the business.

The reviews have been harsh. Having not read the book, I don't know why. Some say it's over-long at 2.5 hours, but how was a 784 page book gonna be short? Anyway watching the film saved me reading the book, and I quite liked it!

At about 58 minutes our protagonist hops off the bus (as a kid) and he talks to a new school friend; a song fades up beneath them as they walk home: It's the intro to YSF. The whole intro - from the start. Then when the vox come in, the dialogue fades down, so we get Bernard's vox at full volume for the first verse.

The track fades down at around 1.49 into the song (using timing on the video below), it fades completely circa 2.10.

Then two minutes later, with some clever sound editing the track reappears. Not a fade-up but a re-start 4.04 mins into the song, and somehow it doesn't sound abrupt. It plays to about 4.21 and then (seamlessly) jumps back to the Hooky section at 1.42. It plays through to circa 1.58 when it fades it out for the final time.

Like the teenage me who didn't know that Elegia (or TLU) was in Pretty In Pink until I heard it in the cinema, I was kinda thrilled to hear YSF playing at full volume in a Hollywood film. I really should have grown out of this level of fanboy-ism by now.

Fotzepolitic wrote: Every Little Counts was played on Lauren Laverne's show the other day.Part of a feature about songs where the singer has burst into laughter during the track.

I'm listening to Respectable by Mel & Kim, and one of the sisters started laughing literally as I read that sentence.

I’m too inebriated to offer constructive appraisal on the above comments (hey, it’s Saturday!).

However, I will offer a ‘YSF? Fuck, yeah!’ comment. Because it is awesome. Obvs.

Debaser wrote: I really should have grown out of this level of fanboy-ism by now.

I hope I never do. Listening to YSF now, and it just...sounds...magnificent.

Let's get that PC&L box set released already. Can't wait!

Thanks for the heads-up on The Goldfinch. I'll try to catch it when it's online / on TV.

About a year ago I was ripping a load of CDs as stuff goes missing, or gets knocked about, when you move house. Found the In Session CD that I had somehow forgotten at the time. That version of YSF is even more stunning, couldn’t believe it. And I’m not usually a fan of “added twiddly bits” which is all my musical knowledge can describe it as. Worth having for that track alone

Wonder

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later =1

Andy wrote: Wonder

Just came here to post this. You beat me to it.

The full trailer lands today. Kind of hoping that we get to hear more than just a snippet of BM.

perspexorange wrote:

Andy wrote: Wonder

Just came here to post this. You beat me to it.

The full trailer lands today. Kind of hoping that we get to hear more than just a snippet of BM.

why, the song came out in 83, so whats the point of including it in a movie thats in 1984 apparently.

i dont get it. it was used much better in the 'ready player one' movie, which had a long version of it incorporated into a club scene.

later -1

negative1 wrote:

why, the song came out in 83, so whats the point of including it in a movie thats in 1984 apparently.

i dont get it. it was used much better in the 'ready player one' movie, which had a long version of it incorporated into a club scene.

later -1

Well, to be fair, the song was still about in 1984. So it’s not like it’s set in 1982, with the song not coming out until 1983. 1983 and 1984 ain’t too far away from each other, either. I’d imagine that Blue Monday would still have been played in most clubs and radio stations in 1984.

It’s difficult to gain much from that teaser, but I guess they just wanted a song that summed up the decade; to make people aware that the film in set in that period.

And as for comparisons with Ready Player One, we’ve no idea how, or indeed if, the song will be used in the final film. It’s a teaser. That’s all.

perspexorange wrote:

negative1 wrote:

... the song came out in 83, so whats the point of including it in a movie thats in 1984 apparently.

i dont get it. it was used much better in the 'ready player one' movie, which had a long version of it incorporated into a club scene.

later -1

Well, to be fair, the song was still about in 1984. So it’s not like it’s set in 1982, with the song not coming out until 1983. 1983 and 1984 ain’t too far away from each other, either. I’d imagine that Blue Monday would still have been played in most clubs and radio stations in 1984.

It’s difficult to gain much from that teaser, but I guess they just wanted a song that summed up the decade; to make people aware that the film in set in that period.

And as for comparisons with Ready Player One, we’ve no idea how, or indeed if, the song will be used in the final film. It’s a teaser. That’s all.

I'm inclined to agree with Perspex Orange. There's no rule that says a film based in 1984 has to have all its music from that year. I don't remember Ready Player One being strictly a 1983 movie. Incidentally the track spent 27 weeks in the lower echelons of the UK Top 100 in 1984, and I suspect that was the same in other parts of the world too. I remember going to school discos in '85 & '86 and hearing it played.

As for whether it was used better in Ready Player One, how do you know -1, have you seen WW 1984?

I've actually just watched the full trailer. It was part of a live event streamed on twitter/periscope a few minutes ago. I can't see it uploaded to Youtube yet but I'm sure it won't be long.

And guess what? The trailer is FULL of Blue Monday. Mostly not NO's version but a cinematic/score version, with military drums, big guns and even revolver shots semi-replicating the drums from BM. There's also a bit of NO at the end. And it all sounds immense. The film isn't out til June but I honestly think this is going to connect the track to a whole new bunch of teenage movie-goers if it's as prominent in the film as it is in the trailer. They've gone BM crazy with this.

*EDIT* Here it is. THE WHOLE TRAILER IS BLUE MONDAY (although only a little bit is NO).

Yep. Blue Monday was (incredibly) still in the top 40 until 20/11/83. So was still ‘current’ only 5-6 weeks or so before 1984 arrived. Therefore, the song is very much of the era that the film is covering.

Watched the trailer. Looks great. The song works really well. Love when the New Order version kicks in. Sounds golden.

I wonder are the band involved in the soundtrack at all?

CuanaD wrote: I wonder are the band involved in the soundtrack at all?

I doubt it.

As a song, Blue Monday evokes the time period without sounding cheesy - try and imagine the trailer cut to any of 1984's top 10 singles:

When Doves Cry by Prince What's Love Got to Do with It by Tina Turner Say Say Say by Paul McCartney and Michael Jackson Footloose by Kenny Loggins Against All Odds (Take a Look at Me Now) by Phil Collins Jump by Van Halen Hello by Lionel Richie Owner of a Lonely Heart by Yes Ghostbusters by Ray Parker Jr. Karma Chameleon by Culture Club

Blue Monday already sounded more futuristic than anything of the time, and it's been continually reworked, covered, and referenced, which has kept it in the public's consciousness. It's still a contemporary song. Plus, it has long instrumental passages so they're not trying to cut dialogue around lyrics. And it lends itself to orchestration well.

Incidentally, the music arranged for trailers is often just that - for the trailer. Blue Monday proper will likely be on the soundtrack, but not this orchestral version. Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol 2 used an incredible remix/orchestral version of Fleetwood Mac's The Chain, but the soundtrack used the standard version.

i doubt if the song will be used in the movie, doesn't really look like there's a place in the movie for it.

anyways, yes, they beefed it up, and used parts of the original and orchestral versions in the trailer.

as far as the 1984 exposure goes, it always bothers me when a movie or trailer uses music that isn't from the correct time period, or is just flat out wrong.

this virgin airlines video for june 22,1984, has a guy holding big country's steeltown album, which came out on 19th of october in the UK, must be time travellers:

anyways, maybe the song will be on the soundtrack, we'll see.

later -1

50poundnote wrote: As a song, Blue Monday evokes the time period without sounding cheesy - try and imagine the trailer cut to any of 1984's top 10 singles:

When Doves Cry by Prince What's Love Got to Do with It by Tina Turner Say Say Say by Paul McCartney and Michael Jackson Footloose by Kenny Loggins Against All Odds (Take a Look at Me Now) by Phil Collins Jump by Van Halen Hello by Lionel Richie Owner of a Lonely Heart by Yes Ghostbusters by Ray Parker Jr. Karma Chameleon by Culture Club

Off the top of my head the four tracks in bold were very specifically featured in/written for films of the time (3 of the 4 are the names of the films). I could imagine Prince's Let's Go Crazy working quite well. I wouldn't mind a bit of Owner Of A Lonely Heart in the film somewhere.

Some other tracks from the time that might work: Tears For Fears: Mothers Talk (album version - v dramatic) Pat Benatar: Love Is A Battlefield ( I enjoyed "We Belong" in Deadpool 2, albeit one of the many tongue in cheek tune choices) Billy Idol: Rebel Yell Animotion: Obsession Eurythmics: Here Comes The Rain Again (or y'know Sweet Dreams if you want to jump back a couple of years) Frankie: Two Tribes (all those remixes and instrumental sections) But yeah I get why BM works, I really do. Maybe we'll get some of the above songs on the film soundtrack too...

50poundnote wrote:

Incidentally, the music arranged for trailers is often just that - for the trailer. Blue Monday proper will likely be on the soundtrack, but not this orchestral version. Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol 2 used an incredible remix/orchestral version of Fleetwood Mac's The Chain, but the soundtrack used the standard version.

Noooo!

I can't argue with your logic/example here, but as agent Mulder might say: I want to believe. I'd love to think that the orchestral "score" parts might be used beyond this trailer. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Debaser wrote: Off the top of my head the four tracks in bold were very specifically featured in/written for films of the time (3 of the 4 are the names of the films).

Yeah, I noticed that! :D

I think what I was trying to say is Blue Monday works because it's largely anonymous (most people have heard the song, not many people can tell you who it is). Prince would be cool because he ruled 1984, but then the trailer becomes about Prince, not about Wonder Woman. Also, Blue Monday has aged gracefully, and the rest of those songs have not. It's a fine line between referencing the decade and dropping into cheesy nostalgia.

Regardless, this looks like the best thing DC has offered!

New Order are on BBC4 Top of the Pops 1988 this Friday 13 Dec @21h.

What song will this be? Blue Monday 1988?

Benj65 wrote: New Order are on BBC4 Top of the Pops 1988 this Friday 13 Dec @21h.

What song will this be? Blue Monday 1988?

Fine Time came out in November ‘88.

Yep. It’ll be Fine Time. Barney in full ‘gurn mode’.

They actually featured the song on the episode shown last week. They played a couple of minutes of the video. So, nothing major.

already visited 3 different links for the WW trailer on Youtube. in each link, there's a hand full of youngsters asking what song is being played in the trailer. really wished they used the regular 83 version, than this remix(which i think is awful) version.

spooky wrote: already visited 3 different links for the WW trailer on Youtube. in each link, there's a hand full of youngsters asking what song is being played in the trailer. really wished they used the regular 83 version, than this remix(which i think is awful) version.

It's not a remix. BM 83 (re-edited) is at the end of the trailer. Prior to that, it's two cover versions. A synthy one near the start (don't know who that's performed by). And an orchestral version in the middle. The orchestral version is apparently by L'Orchestra Cinématique.

Check out our epic cover of Blue Monday by New Order which features in the official trailer for Wonder Woman 1984. What do you think of the trailer? Enjoy!!

If you are wanting to use this track for your own project please email us at orchestracinematique@gmail.com. Provide a link to your channel and the video you wish to use and we can discuss allowance from there. Kindly note, if you use our content without permission prior, you run the risk of your own content being removed and possible action being made by YouTube!

The fact that this appears to have been pre-made doesn't bode well for my hopes that it might have been recorded for/by the film makers for the film itself... *BIG EDIT* Actually I misunderstood what this video is. It's not the actual recording used in the trailer. They have clarified in YouTube comments that it's inspired by the trailer. Which means it must have been put together within about a day (!).

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Andy wrote: TheGuiltyParty

Ah you mean this. I've amended my previous post now.

Came across this on Ig initially.

Joy Division sculptures in Hurdsfield

The story does have an odd charm.

Interesting article, if a little bizarre.

Hmmm, can't say I see the resemblance.

Just found this.

Joy Division and Sooty:

Hope you waved...

It's not the Neuzeit Grotesk font used for The Perfect Kiss and Low-life, but every time I see this Uber logo on a car, I'm reminded of them.

Uber Logo 2018

Gave that Atomic Blonde film a try tonight on Channel 4.Right at the start, Blue Monday 88 plays.So far so what, another film another use of BM.What caught my ear next though was what sounded like the intro to the live version of Atmosphere that NO do these days.That bass drum thump and a bit of keyboard.Hang on i thought, they've used a live version of NO doing Atmosphere as a piece of music in this film? But then the unmistakable voice of David Bowie kicks in.I recognised the song when he starts singing the "putting out fire with gasoline " line but not the name of it so googled it.It's his song Cat People (Putting Out Fire) .A song of his from 1982 i think?

So, did NO take the intro from that song and incorporate it into as the intro to their recent years live version of Atmosphere? It's their nod to Bowie? That bass drum thump at the start is identical.Or am i the only person that didn't know this? I didn't get the memo?

Oh and i turned Atomic Blonde off after about half an hour, just found it all a bit meh.

Check out the intro to David Bowie's song Cat People.Is it not identical to the intro to NO's live version of Atmosphere???

edit: listened to Atmosphere from last year's Bluedot, yep sounds like they sampled the intro complete.