New Box Set

There's an interview with Stephen Morris in that 'Pop' magazine, and he clearly states that he's currently curating a new box set comprising old video clips, rare tracks etc

Interesting.Thanks for the info.What is that 'Pop' magazine you read that in, Emile? Do you mean that 'Classic Pop' mag? I actually saw a latest issue of that in WH Smith the other day but didn't look at it.

This has been on and off since the Recycle T-shirts in 98. Not another retread, please.

I'll be fascinated to see what old video footage is included that hasn't already been in circulation/YouTube for years.

Sweet FA, I would imagine. One new album - 3865423 compilations, 7343707658096 documentaries, 9859754876349087450947 remixes. Who do you think you are? Some kind of superstar?

Fotzepolitic wrote: Interesting.Thanks for the info.What is that 'Pop' magazine you read that in, Emile? Do you mean that 'Classic Pop' mag? I actually saw a latest issue of that in WH Smith the other day but didn't look at it.

Yes, it's the 'Classic Pop' magazine. My mistake. Decent interview

I can only wish Steve the best of luck in choosing what goes into the box set.I still vaguely recall the unparalleled level of anger and complaints on the old forums back in 2002 when the tracklist for Retro was announced and which eventually led to the bonus disc being thrown into the mix at the last minute.

Fotzepolitic wrote: I can only wish Steve the best of luck in choosing what goes into the box set.I still vaguely recall the unparalleled level of anger and complaints on the old forums back in 2002 when the tracklist for Retro was announced and which eventually led to the bonus disc being thrown into the mix at the last minute.

Haha, I remember all the horror that went on here back when Retro came out. I think I had the username "Low-Life" or "Re-Member" back then and did my fair share of moaning about it as well. To be fair, other people ended up compiling the box set. If Steve is somehow directly involved, I have hope. Back when the "Live in Glasgow" DVD came out, there was loads of live footage on the second disc I had never seen before, so who knows what else he might have lurking in the vaults.

Moderne Decay wrote:

Fotzepolitic wrote: I can only wish Steve the best of luck in choosing what goes into the box set.I still vaguely recall the unparalleled level of anger and complaints on the old forums back in 2002 when the tracklist for Retro was announced and which eventually led to the bonus disc being thrown into the mix at the last minute.

Haha, I remember all the horror that went on here back when Retro came out. I think I had the username "Low-Life" or "Re-Member" back then and did my fair share of moaning about it as well. To be fair, other people ended up compiling the box set. If Steve is somehow directly involved, I have hope. Back when the "Live in Glasgow" DVD came out, there was loads of live footage on the second disc I had never seen before, so who knows what else he might have lurking in the vaults.

True, there was a fair bit of previously unseen live footage on the Glasgow DVD.I've not watched it all that much and certainly not for a long time so will have to have a viewing session again soon.Maybe Steve has got hours and hours of good quality gig footage that's never seen the light of day.As for rare tracks, again i'll be fascinated to see what he has that people haven't heard before.Maybe there's rare studio footage also.

I remember being so disappointed with Retro. Knowing that it could have been great and for whatever reason is what just so wishy washy. A real missed opportunity, and not what Gretton had in mind at all.

I guess there's also the elephant who isn't in the room this time around to contend with too: Hooky. Not a case of if, but when he'll throw a spanner in the works. But I guess Morris wouldn't work on this project unless it had clearance. Who knows?

I'd like as much footage from 87-89 as possible please, a good quality Hooky doing The Happy One on OSM, and likewise the BBC Rock Around the Clock broadcast, and all TOTP appearances as clear as hell. Yes, they're on Youtube, but it would be nice to have them crystal clear on disc.

Yeah i vaguely recall being disappointed upon seeing the tracklist for Retro a month or so before its release but i can't quite remember exactly why i was disappointed, it's so long ago now.Can only presume it was because there was nothing over the 4 discs that hadn't been released before; well apart form live stuff on disc 4 but a lot of that had been in circulation on bootlegs for a long time.It was only with the late addition of the bonus disc with stuff such as the 17 minute Elegia that fans' anger was calmed a little.

I think rumours had started to circulate around 1997-98 that the "Recycle" box set would have every New Order single repackaged in individual CDs in a nice box- early New Order singles such as Ceremony right up to Bizarre Love Triangle (i think) hadn't been released as a CD single at that time (and many of the early singles still haven't, officially).I think a lot of the eventual disappointment in 2002 was because the Box Set had ultimately been reduced to 4 discs with dubious choices of tracks most fans had long owned.

edit: I think there was even a rumour at one point in the late 90s that Recycle would also contain the multitracks for every New Order single.That sounded a tad ambitious !

The wondrous world of New Order releases:

1. There's a vaguest, non-commitallest, imprecisest hypothetical conditioned suggestion something might like could just may maybe perhaps emerge on the proverbial horizon.
2. Everyone on the forums gets a collective boner and with their free hand comes up with dream scenarios so far-fetched they make Hieronymus Bosch look like EastEnders.
3. I dare imply they should get real cos it won't be for at least 3 years and even then it'll be like anal sex, i.e. fucking shit.
4. They respond, Fuck you and yer fucking cynicism and pessimism yer fucking morbid wanker, yer pissing on our joint bonfire and spoiling all the fun.
5. Nothing for at least 3 years and even then it's like anal sex, i.e. fucking shit.
6. Repeat until death.

Evening, Michael.

I saw a big sign, 'New Order - Sold Out!' I thought, They did, didn't they.

Fotzepolitic wrote: Yeah i vaguely recall being disappointed upon seeing the tracklist for Retro a month or so before its release but i can't quite remember exactly why i was disappointed, it's so long ago now.Can only presume it was because there was nothing over the 4 discs that hadn't been released before; well apart form live stuff on disc 4 but a lot of that had been in circulation on bootlegs for a long time.

I remember exactly why I was disappointed. I had just purchased the Echo & The Bunnymen box set and it was great. It was a nice chronological career spanning set which had enough rarities for the fans, plus worked as a nice introduction for new comers. Retro, on the other hand, felt like a total mess. The first three discs felt completely random and didn't do much to tell the story of the band, then the live disc had a lot of bootleg sounding recordings. Also at the time, the original Ceremony and 7" Temptation had yet to be released on CD, plus there were still a lot of the 12" singles which haven't made it to disc yet in original unedited form. Thankfully, the disappointed toward the box set kicked started that Recycle blog and those of us here at the time were truly blessed to finally get what we wanted.

Those wonderful bunnymen did put out a nice thing, even though I already had it all.new order put out something stupid , and was just not needed. So new order made up for it by writing about 35 new interesting songs since ( not including the 8 fine songs from BL), and the bunnies have zero interesting songs since flowers. I still love plenty of bunnie's songs, and cherish memories of these 2 great bands- cost a lot to see the bunnies about 30 times, NO about 15, but no regrets - and twice they played together

keepitcoming wrote: Those wonderful bunnymen did put out a nice thing, even though I already had it all.new order put out something stupid , and was just not needed. So new order made up for it by writing about 35 new interesting songs since ( not including the 8 fine songs from BL), and the bunnies have zero interesting songs since flowers. I still love plenty of bunnie's songs, and cherish memories of these 2 great bands- cost a lot to see the bunnies about 30 times, NO about 15, but no regrets - and twice they played together

to me its the exact opposite.

echo and the bunnymen have become far more interesting than new order, in the second half of their career.

meteorites is much more interesting than music complete. same with all their albums from 'evergreen' onwards.

new order has sunk further and further down since low-life, with nothing coming close to even that.

as far as the box sets goes, yes, to me the echo box was great for people that didn't have all of it, and even if you did, a lot of tracks were never on CD before.

the new order box was a toss up, except for the bonus disc, and even then, just average

echo has gotten better live, and mac's voice still holds up.

they play old songs, new songs, and every thing else, including orchestral concerts.

bernard has lost a lot of his voice, and the bands set list has dried up, and become greatest hits over and over.

no contest for me.

later -1

negative1 wrote:

keepitcoming wrote: Those wonderful bunnymen did put out a nice thing, even though I already had it all.new order put out something stupid , and was just not needed. So new order made up for it by writing about 35 new interesting songs since ( not including the 8 fine songs from BL), and the bunnies have zero interesting songs since flowers. I still love plenty of bunnie's songs, and cherish memories of these 2 great bands- cost a lot to see the bunnies about 30 times, NO about 15, but no regrets - and twice they played together

to me its the exact opposite.

echo and the bunnymen have become far more interesting than new order, in the second half of their career.

meteorites is much more interesting than music complete. same with all their albums from 'evergreen' onwards.

new order has sunk further and further down since low-life, with nothing coming close to even that.

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as far as the box sets goes, yes, to me the echo box was great for people that didn't have all of it, and even if you did, a lot of tracks were never on CD before.

the new order box was a toss up, except for the bonus disc, and even then, just average

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echo has gotten better live, and mac's voice still holds up.

they play old songs, new songs, and every thing else, including orchestral concerts.

bernard has lost a lot of his voice, and the bands set list has dried up, and become greatest hits over and over.

no contest for me.

later -1

NO are doing two orchestral shows at the Opera House here in Sydney in June.

negative1 wrote:

keepitcoming wrote: Those wonderful bunnymen did put out a nice thing, even though I already had it all.new order put out something stupid , and was just not needed. So new order made up for it by writing about 35 new interesting songs since ( not including the 8 fine songs from BL), and the bunnies have zero interesting songs since flowers. I still love plenty of bunnie's songs, and cherish memories of these 2 great bands- cost a lot to see the bunnies about 30 times, NO about 15, but no regrets - and twice they played together

to me its the exact opposite.

echo and the bunnymen have become far more interesting than new order, in the second half of their career.

meteorites is much more interesting than music complete. same with all their albums from 'evergreen' onwards.

new order has sunk further and further down since low-life, with nothing coming close to even that.

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as far as the box sets goes, yes, to me the echo box was great for people that didn't have all of it, and even if you did, a lot of tracks were never on CD before.

the new order box was a toss up, except for the bonus disc, and even then, just average

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echo has gotten better live, and mac's voice still holds up.

they play old songs, new songs, and every thing else, including orchestral concerts.

bernard has lost a lot of his voice, and the bands set list has dried up, and become greatest hits over and over.

no contest for me.

later -1

Interesting your thoughts on Ian Mculloch's voice and Bernard's.I feel Mculloch's voice isn't a patch on what it used to be whereas i think Bernard's has actually improved.I haven't bought a Bunnymen album since What Are You Going To With Your Life? ( some really good songs on that album) in 1999 but have heard a few recent (2014) songs and i thought Mculloch was really struggling with vocals.Shame because his voice in the Bunnymen's 80s pomp was fantastic to say the least as were the band themselves.

Echo and the Bunnymen are as great as anything, but New Order is not just anything they are everything [eek2] 😕 😈 m

NotAMod wrote:

Retro bar the bonus disc was a wasted opportunity.

Quite honestly I think that goes for every rerelease except the Glasgow DVD 2. I've never known a band so endlessly reworked yet remaining so credible. If Simply Red got the same treatment they'd be massacred.

NotAMod wrote: The band didn't seem interested.

Again, pretty much true for everything (except Bernard's involvement in 94 / 95). It was significant at http://forums.neworderonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=2944 where Steve goes through all the albums and includes Substance but not a single one of the London cash-ins. His accountant probably knows more about them than he does.

Well anyway i won't be parting with my cash for this box set unless there's a lot of previously unseen , good quality, video footage of gigs or long lost tv appearances and rare tracks.I very much doubt though that there is any long lost footage of tv stuff.Most of the tv appearances over the years are out there now.Even stuff like Thieves Like Us on Southampton TV in 1983 or the same song again on Music Convoy in 1984 have been on YouTube for years now, though the Southampton TV thing could do with a good quality clip seeing the light of day.But i'm seriously fascinated to see what if any footage Steve has that's never been seen.And what rare tracks could there possibly be that even the modest New Order collector hasn't already got????? Even though Retro was a balls-up i just can't understand the point (other than money) of doing another box set if there's nothing on it that isn't already out there😕 😕 😕 😕

Moderne Decay wrote:

Fotzepolitic wrote: Yeah i vaguely recall being disappointed upon seeing the tracklist for Retro a month or so before its release but i can't quite remember exactly why i was disappointed, it's so long ago now.Can only presume it was because there was nothing over the 4 discs that hadn't been released before; well apart form live stuff on disc 4 but a lot of that had been in circulation on bootlegs for a long time.

I remember exactly why I was disappointed. I had just purchased the Echo & The Bunnymen box set and it was great.

It WAS great. In that "form-factor" I have that, Heart & Soul, Siouxsie & The Banshee's "Downside Up" and The Cure's "Join the Dots". All are truly fantastic. I never bought Retro because it paled in comparison. I'd love a decent NO offering, but as others have said, Recycle has rather addressed that need (having said that, I have big holes in my Recycle collection. Can I PM anyone to help me fill them?)

I'd also be interested in any other strong releases in that form-factor for other groups.

NotAMod wrote:

negative1 wrote: new order has sunk further and further down since low-life, with nothing coming close to even that.

Well that's all subjective and personal taste, isn't it? Low-life's a great record but the band recorded and released a slew of great songs post-85. Almost undeniable. I personally found the naughties-era albums to be a bit patchy but when even they hit their high points they could be pretty special. Also, if New Order truly stopped being a good band for you in 1985 why do you devote so much time to them on these forums and documenting all of their releases post-85? Some fans prefer to take refuge in the "generally accepted best" particularly the Factory era but I personally find stuff like Crystal, Who's Joe, Turn, I'll Stay With You, Academic and Singularity to be close to or better than a great deal of that older stuff.

if you noticed, i concentrate mostly on their single releases, and associated songs, not necessarily their albums.

to me they have always been a 'singles' band, and there have been plenty of those, with releases, re-releases, and multiple mixes of songs.

and the ones i prefer the most are from the 80s.

NotAMod wrote:

negative1 wrote: the new order box was a toss up, except for the bonus disc, and even then, just average

Retro bar the bonus disc was a wasted opportunity. The band didn't seem interested, the label were border-line uninterested and it ended up being dropped in the lap of a few celeb mates to compile. The concept was definitely flawed and just didn't seem to work. The bonus disc was a last minute panic because they knew it had ended up a fairly random compilation of commonly-available stuff most fans already had. This new box-set which has been mooted in the music press is a brilliant opportunity to right that wrong. It's a chance for the fans to finally get a New Order archival release that will stand the test of time. I wish them all the best and hope they get it right.

there is little to no hope for a great boxset to come out, because there is too much material to sort out.

so far the fan compilations do a much better job, because of the variety of material available, and the research, and care taken to put them together,

NotAMod wrote:

negative1 wrote: orchestral concerts.

Can't think of anything worse, truly. But then that's just me. It's personal preference but I've found bands performing live with orchestras can be very hit and miss. Maybe I've seen the wrong ones. That said the studio orchestral bits on Music Complete do work well and don't interfere with the sound too much. The arrangement on Tutti Frutti for instance really works.

my point was, there is a lot more variety in echo and the bunnymen shows.

they have a lot to draw from.... so does new order, but if you notice, they concentrate solely on their early era songs.

rarely, if any songs, from the last 5 albums make it into the concerts.

and even if they play them, there is rarely any variation in the songs, they have a lot more variety and improvisation in their early concerts from the 80s.

there would be little to no interest, if new order played only new songs, or even the majority of them. they realize the strength of their appeal, is their back catalogue.

NotAMod wrote:

negative1 wrote: bernard has lost a lot of his voice

Bollocks. I've seen the band regularly(ish) recently and even if you read reviews of recent gigs people have had a lot of compliments for Bernard's recent vocal performances. They're vastly better than they were during most of the Get Ready and Sirens' gigs. The whooping has gone which has greatly improved how the songs come across. Besides, do you seriously expect Bernard to sing exactly as he did in 1985 or 1989? That's just incredibly naive. He's sixty now so expecting him to belt out Age Of Consent exactly as he did in 1983 is a bit misguided. I think Music Complete demonstrated on a few tracks he's found his feet with singing in a lower register, he sounds pretty good on Nothing But A Fool. His lower range seems to have "come of age" for sure.

You do have a point with the recent sets being a tad repetitive but they have introduced newer songs (Lonesome, Academic) and new arrangements (WFTSC, BLT) so it's a bit unfair to say they've been totally static. At the end of the day not everyone going to their gigs are hardcore fans like us. Some people want to hear Blue Monday and the more established songs and would feel disappointed if they were omitted so 50 people in the front row could enjoy "The Happy One".

i have heard, and seen new order a few times in the last several years, along with echo. i've listened to the recordings, and watched them for both bands.

no, i do not expect them to sound like they did 30 years ago, but all things considered, i think ian has held up better overall compared to bernard.

one thing about new order, is that they do sound better live now, and not as 'raw' as they used to when they first started, and bernard is not as off-key as he used to be.

later -1

“Retro” was dogshit. A complete waste of silver. Another greatest hits on disc one? Yay. (Snooze). LP tracks reissued for the umpteenth time? (zzzzz). An occasional remix on disc three? (glare) A chronological concert disc made from their most boring period of stadium competence? (SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY).

I pulled together an alternative set I made with CDR's that rocked the fucking shit out of “Retro”. It looked something like this, but I can't find the CDR's now.

CD ONE True Faith (Peel Session)* / Touched By The Hand Of God (Peel Session)* / Temptation-98* / Confusion (DMC Mix from Volume 1 compilation)* / Thieves Like Us (7” edit) / The Perfect Kiss (7” edit) / Bizarre Love Triangle (7” mix) / World In Motion / Regret / Ruined In A Day / World / Spooky (Minimix) / Crystal / 60MPH / Here To Stay / Brutal

CD TWO Round & Round (New Order 12” Mix) / Fine Time (Silk Mix) / Run2 (12”) / Blue Monday-88 (12”) / Subculture (Record Mirror Mix) / Paradise (Racic Mix) / Regret (Newordermix) / World (Brothers In Rhythm Mix) / Everythings Gone Green (One of the Advent mixes) / True Faith (Pink Noise Mix) / Here To Stay (Glitz Mix) / Someone Like You (Futureshock) / 60 MPH (Superman Lovers Mix)

CD THREE Salvation / Dreams Never End (Peel) / Truth (Peel) / Senses (Peel) / ICB (Peel) / Turn The Heater On (Peel) / We All Stand (Peel) / Too Late (Peel) / 586 (Peel) / Paradise (Peel)* / Isolation (Peel)* / Atmosphere (Peel)* / Behind Closed Doors / Sabotage / Player In The League / Such A Good Thing / Rock The Shack (Peel)* / Slow Jam (Peel)* / Close Range (Peel)* / Your Silent Face (Peel)*

CD FOUR Elegia (full version)* / Sputnik / Skullcrusher / Theme A La MGM / Don't Do It / Best & Marsh / MTO / Vicious Circle / Video 586

CD FOUR Ruined In A Day / Regret / Isolation / Heart And Soul / Round & Round / World / Everyone Everywhere / Paradise / True Faith / Temptation / The Perfect Kiss / Blue Monday / World In Motion Reading 1993+98

DVD :

1. Pumped Full Of Drugs (50 mins) 2. Academy 1987 (47 minutes) 3. Brixton 1989 (20 minutes) 4. Montreux 1993 (55 mins)

Only one more disc than 'Retro', 4 full live shows on DVD, a Live At Reading CD, 12 unreleased songs *, and almost everything on there was never on a previous New Order album. I don't think there would have been as much moaning at the time!

negative1 wrote:

keepitcoming wrote: Those wonderful bunnymen did put out a nice thing, even though I already had it all.new order put out something stupid , and was just not needed. So new order made up for it by writing about 35 new interesting songs since ( not including the 8 fine songs from BL), and the bunnies have zero interesting songs since flowers. I still love plenty of bunnie's songs, and cherish memories of these 2 great bands- cost a lot to see the bunnies about 30 times, NO about 15, but no regrets - and twice they played together

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echo has gotten better live, and mac's voice still holds up.

they play old songs, new songs, and every thing else, including orchestral concerts.

bernard has lost a lot of his voice, and the bands set list has dried up, and become greatest hits over and over.

no contest for me.

later -1

Try saying something good and positive about the band. Just you know, try it. It honestly doesn't hurt.

Also, I prefer N.O. live now. It's not a 'Greatest Hits', if it was, they'd close every gig with WORLD IN MOSHUN. Yes, they play some singles from the 80's. But also, there's a lot of singles from the 80's they don't play.

Finally, Bernard has 'lost' his voice? What absolute rubbish. Bernard has had singing lessons, and doesn't sound like a breathles seal barking and yelping off key anymore. I'd take that anyday over the versions of "Age Of Consent" where's he sings offkey, screws up the words, and snorts a line of white stuff for the encore.

I think the only good bit about Retro was the booklet.

markreed wrote: [ Try saying something good and positive about the band.

... But keep it real.

markreed wrote:

Try saying something good and positive about the band. Just you know, try it. It honestly doesn't hurt.

i did,

one thing about new order, is that they do sound better live now, and not as 'raw' as they used to when they first started, and bernard is not as off-key as he used to be.

later -1

Hellbent 23 minute stratobliss remix would be my choice for one of the 8 sides of the new retro

Where are all the totally fucked up proposed traack listings that are so perfect they make Mel C look like Merkel? I better start... Hey guys, wouldn't it be like just totally AWESOME if we got like Substance Revisited? Here we go... Ceremony (Brian Eno mix) - Eno was rumoured to be maybe going to possibly be on Sirens but he wasn't so he must feel a right tart: fuck Bowie, John Cale, and Nico, he coulda been in Wanking Overtime! Also he mixed a Suede track and Suede used Peter Savile who also did New Order, so fingers crossed here. EGG - Advent - This came out when they weren't even talking to each other, let alone recording, but I reckon they know it inside out like what I do. They certainly had a great quality control over The Rest Of. Temptation - Bolland - Yeah I know it ain't really NO but it brings back awesome memories of clubbing with my girlfriend who's now my wife. I'm sure such considerations are foremost in the minds of multi-national corporate pigs when compiling another compilation compilingly. Blue Monday - Ian Curtis mix - Yeah! Wouldn't it be like totally awesome if he wasn't dead - he just needed a breather - and what better way to return than remixing their nevergreen hit? Conmfusion - CoOmFusArsIon mix - I had this on 12" in 1991 but my cat pissed on it and I can't play it any more. I'm sure Mute care about this too. I'm gonna start a petition, I had this on 12" in 1991 but make my cat didn't piss on it so I can play it any more.

It's certainly undeniable that the end result of another New Order box set could be immensely disappointing. But, I think it's equally plausible that the end result could be satisfying and appealing. A good New Order box set exists. Somewhere, buried deep in the aether, is a magnificent, contemporary New Order collection.

Frankly, I can be a sucker for demos. Seeing a track in its adolescence - as it's just beginning to find itself - can be very interesting. With such examples as the lyrical demo of Let's Go and the charming demo of Bizarre Love Triangle, I would love to have more demo recordings from the Factory-Era. If the box set finds space for a decent assemblage of old demos, I will be very, very happy.

If at least one member of the band is involved and actually interested in the project, I believe there's hope. Hope for the box to be a gratifying one.

And I can easily predict that the only tracks on this box set I don't already have on CD will be "Vicious Circle (New order mix)" and the 12" full-length of "Shellshock." Maybe, if I am lucky, I will get "Shellcock" too! Will I moan about that? Of course. Will i buy it? Of course.

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I was about to post this in a new thread.

This is a publishers promo (as per the Joy Division one and The Smiths one) and nothing to do with the about-to-be-released revamped 'Singles', nor the upcoming box set Steve has been talking about.

When I say NO are overrated people misunderstand and think it means they're shit (obviously they aren't) or I dislike them (obviously I don't). It simply means the comments about them you can take are leave - but are not borne out by the quality and quantity of their actual music. Here are some genuine professional journo quotes I remember verbatim: now even as a superfan, put your hand on your heart and say, Yes indeed:

1. 'The most important band since the Beatles or the Stones.'
2. 'They dominate the charts like no other group.'
3. 'Electronic' is one of the greatest albums ever made.'
4. (my personal favourite) 'New Order are our finest band, incapable of making anything less than a great record. Indeed, Republic shows they're currently making the strongest music of their lives. I also love Revenge, Electronic and the Other Two with a passion.'
5. 'New Order were the most important band in the 80s, just like Electronic for the 90s. Bernard is a new Brian Eno, the only genius currently working in music.'
6. 'The inventors of 80s music, and pretty much everything else.' You can support these comments by the music alone?

I hope the new Box set has some new songs or something new from Music Complete , otherwise it is not worth buying in my opinion.

Linus Solanki wrote: I hope the new Box set has some new songs or something new from Music Complete , otherwise it is not worth buying in my opinion.

It's Warners, so back catalogue up to WFTSC/Lost Sirens.

Given the long standing wonderful work by TPOIT, I do not expect there to be much in the way of music to bring me to the checkout once again for the new pre-Mute box.

That is, unless the elves at Saville Associates come up with a thing of rare beauty - as well they might...

Rorschach wrote: That is, unless the elves at Saville Associates come up with a thing of rare beauty - as well they might...

Yes, what if they actually do a proper version of Recycle as originally envisioned? Everything properly remastered, and packaged in the way £50 Note hoped they might do in his wake. Beautifully presented in an amazing box with luxury booklet...and a flag.

Ok the flag wouldn't do it, but the rest of it might just give me FOMO. Must.Stay.Strong.

Debaser wrote:

Yes, what if

'What if' is New Order fan talk for This won't happen.

Quite honestly I think the reason is far more prosaic: They just don't give a shit. As I said before, they talk about Substance but probably don't know anything about London's 862 rererereleases. It's not like they have Beatles-Anthology-esque masses of tracks to deal with either. Case in point: the POTHL shipping fuck up. So tell me what you want, what you really really want: Another 9730953289 years' dicking about with rerererererererehashes, or another album as good as MC? I'll tell you what I want, what I really really want: Some Republic demos. I'd like to know if Hooky was just BSing when he said it started out much harder and NOy before Hague.

Box set schmox set.I feel they should give the re issues remasters re fucking whatever a rest for a while.They'll have to come up with something really earth shatteringly special, something totally mindblowing in its originality and creativeness for me to part with my dosh this time.

NotAMod wrote: One of the best box-sets I bought in recent years was Bowie's "Five Years" shortly before he died. Maybe part of the problem as to why they always struggled putting together a definitive New Order box-set is because there is such a vast discography and literally hundreds of non-album tracks. Doing everything in one go might have been a bit of a tall erm... order not to mention consolidating it all onto a single item the record company weren't sure they could flog enough of. Hence the reticence on their part (I'm guessing).

Perhaps they should take a leaf out of the Bowie archivists book and gradually release "era" spanning box-sets over the course of a few years I.e.

• The Early Factory Years: 1980-1985 (Movement, 1981-1982 EP, PC&L and Low-life),
• The Later Factory Years: 1986-1990 (Brotherhood, Substance 1987 and Technique),
• The Warner Brothers Years: 1993-2006 (Republic, Get Ready, WFTSC and Lost Sirens).

Each CD sized box-set would contain 10 or so remastered CDs including:

• Each album with mini-LP artwork card reproductions from the Factory/London originals.
• A corresponding bonus disc for each album containing 12" mixes, non-album tracks etc. based on the 2008 efforts but expanded.
• One further obscure rarities disc like Bowie's "Re:Call 1" CD covering unreleased demos, rare lost mixes etc.
• A live album of a previously unreleased "choice" gig showing the band at the peak of their then-powers.

Also release the box-sets digitally in 24-bit (a minor point but would be nice).

I don't think there's any need to include every mix, dub, remix edit, dub edit etc. that ever existed. That's not a decent listenable box set, that's just OCD (in my opinion). That said, there are some nice remixes languishing on forgotten promos out there which would do very well to get a proper release; the Sunrise Rough Mix & Planet Funk Remix of WFTSC to name but two. The problem with the fan proposals for Recycle have always been (although £50 Note tempered his slightly) that the track-listings were random and out of control. They're just a list of mixes rather than a properly thought out concept.

Realistically the band and label are probably some way down the line with this new box-set already so the above is purely "dream concept" but I'm sure they've looked at incredible box-sets done by other bands and taken notes. I've personally got high hopes for this one from what we've heard so far.

as mentioned in my post here: http://forums.neworderonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=24126#post24126

this guy came up with 47 discs worth of material. (including dvd's etc).

later -1

I think it's hilarious people are getting boners over the fact a genuine real actual band member is involved... Hooky was proactively involved in the 2008 remasters and said he was proud of them.

Michael Monkhouse wrote: I think it's hilarious people are getting boners over the fact a genuine real actual band member is involved... Hooky was proactively involved in the 2008 remasters and said he was proud of them.

They were involved with the main album remastering back then, however when it came to the second disc material (the stuff that got messed up) they left it to the label.

Makes it even worse IMO. Compare and contrast http://a-different-place.co.uk/suede-album-reissues-full-tracklistings/... Yet NO's integrity remains. Lucky bastards.

Well, they've come up with the goods yet again. How do they do it? What's their secret? I guess we'll never know.

Hooky mentions something here about new Boxset/ Reissues

http://www.vanyaland.com/2017/02/09/get-ready-peter-hook-says-a-massive-new-order-collectors-series-is-on-the-way/

His actual comments are slightly more vague than the headline "Peter Hook says massive New Order box sets are on the way" would suggest.

“Warners are doing a collector’s series of the albums, a box set that will be more like that,” Hook tells the website. “I got a wonderful present for my 60th birthday which was Led Zeppelin II, complete with all the flyers and gig posters, a vinyl edition — it was wonderfully done, and I took it and showed it to Warner Bros. and said, ‘This is how our next reissue should be.’ You know, really give the fans something to treasure. We’re working towards that aim — thank God.”

There has been a lot going on behind the scenes, and this time its really happening. Good people are on the case.

We'll see.

Pink Floyd released in November 2016 a 28 disc set, which looks nonsensical. But it could do as a reference for New Order: a box full demos, outtakes, unreleased tracks, live versions and lots of photos and memorabilia (posters, flyers, etc), all packaged in an astonishing Saville's artwork. Fingers crossed.

Cool, it'll be out by dinner time.

Michael Monkhouse wrote: Cool, it'll be out by dinner time.

I'm surprised you haven't had a rant about flogging dead horses etc.

I'm not sure I care that much if they're re-issuing individual albums again. I'd be surprised if there are new gems waiting to be discovered. So, we're paying for some fancy new packaging and replica "flyers" that might've gone in the bin if they were handed to me at a gig? I guess they'll be remastered again, but will that make a big difference to most people? I doubt it.

As for Substance 2 which Mr Remmer has been coyly hinting at but then not wanting to spill the beans on... Things of course, changed shortly after the first Substance. House music came along in '88 and it's influence spawned numerous 12" mixes of each track. Up until then it was easy to plonk THE 12" version of a single on to Substance (yeah I know, a couple of tracks were re-recordings...). Doing a definitive Substance 2 when there were lots of 12" versions surely isn't going to work so well (Bogle mix of RIAD anyone?). I suspect some of y'all already have a compilation on your computers of your favourite post-Substance singles/remixes. Do we need to buy an official one? Well maybe a 2018 remaster of Scumfrog's take on Here To Stay is what's missing from our lives...

Oh maybe they'll do things I haven't thought of...I dunno. For now though, my only real hope for NO is that they'll make one more decent album before they pick up their free bus passes.

Another album please with about 12 great songs , and then about 10 more great bonus songs written for various films, or golfing or whaling songs ,another football song, love songs,hate songs, , sex songs, or even songs of narwals and pugs. go NO go.

here's a clue via Twitter

Exciting stuff. Movement is my favourite album so a re-issue accompanied by demo tracks would give me an almighty erection.

On 5 July Hooky boned a ho. This bodes well for the box set as BOned, BOx set and BOde start with BO, like BOth if there were three words and not two. Also 5 July is a date and Stephen and Gillian used to date before getting married, and the box set should have a release date. Also date is a type of food and we need food to live and not die and if you take the word not and take the last letter off you get the initials of New Order. It's all so thrilling.

Well, they've done it again. Sorry for being such a negative, pessimistic asshole all the time.

Done what?

http://forums.neworderonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=23249#post23249

I'm still none the wiser

Apologies, I thought it was clear. Hence I shall repeat the awesome, stunning, wondrousful world of New Order rererererererereleases:

1. A tiny, minimal, amoeba-size suggestion something just might like y'know could ummmm may maybe be on the cards.
2. Everyone on NOOL forums gets an instant boner and with their free hand bashes out mutually exclusive track listings that are so HOT they make a Hawaiian sauna with Mel C and Cameron D look like a dip in Skegness with D Cameron and Merkel.
3. I say Fuck you, the majors don't give a fuck, there'll be sweet Fanny Adams for 3 years and even then it'll be like anal sex, i.e. fucking shit.
4. They respond, No fuck YOU you negativeness cynicalisms fucking wanker, why is you always so whingeful and whiningness and moanables and groaningists, I mean HELLO? Does yer even LIKING New Order? WE WANT OUR BONERS so kindly point yours away from our joint bonfire.
5. The majors don't give a fuck, there's sweet Fanny Adams for 3 years and even then it's like anal sex, i.e. fucking shit.
6. Repeat until you find someone to bone.

Saw 'Box Set' thread. Instantly thought there'd been an announcement.

Saw Michael had gone off at the deep end and started posting on old threads.

Went back to sleep again waiting for a) news to be posted on the (probably disappointing) box set on other sites or b) Michael to inevitably resurrect this thread again, just to p me off. 😊

Oh, and Michael, I've given you enough ammunition for at least one double-entendre ('gone off', 'deep', 'end', 'deep end' and, thinking about it, 'ammunition' now). Go on, I dare you. 😉

I have to go for a whole day without making any innuendoes. It's long and hard but I'll pull it off.

plane crash= MM's random posts.

Michael Monkhouse wrote: I have to go for a whole day without making any innuendoes. It's long and hard but I'll pull it off.

Bravo! I hope that's gone some way to making you feel a little better.

So, just to bring this back on track, what are people hoping for in a box set?

What style of set do you want? Are you hoping for one giant box set and, if so, do you want it with all albums, singles and other miscellaneous tracks, or are you hoping for a box of rarities like the recent Pink Floyd mega-set? Perhaps you're hoping for individual sets, released a few months apart? If so, would you rather 'singles' sets, like the Depeche Mode ones of the 90s? Or do you want better 'album' sets than the ones previousy released, perhaps in the Super Deluxe style of 4-5 discs per set (including album, singles, b-sides, rarities, demos, a live album from the period, DVD of music videos and TV appearances from the era etc.)

And what about actual content? Is there anything specific you really want to see? Audio or video.

Also, do you want JD material included or would you rather a separate set?

I think, preferably, I would absolutely love a giant Rarities box set, full of demos, rare tracks, a rare gig or two on audio and lots of video footage. Failing that, I think I'd like the Super Deluxe album releases option.

As for actual content, I'd like to see an official release of the frankly wonderful Western Works demos, but would pretty much love to see any demos included in the set. Video footage is where I'd like the focus placed though (I really doubt there's many fully-formed audio demos / unreleased tracks out there; most are probably jam-sessions). Video wise, I'd love it to include pretty much all of the live TV performances, especially the 80s stuff (Celebration, Riverside, Countdown, Switch, Musik Convoy, DJ, Pop Elektron, Rock Around The Clock, OGWT, TOTP, The Roxy, BWC etc.). Maybe include the interview segments from some of those appearances too (Countdown, Pop Elektron etc.). And 'Play At Home' definitely needs a release. Would also love to see some of the live footage out there that we have seen before but has been unavailable for years (A Factory Video/Complication/Outing, Estoc De Pop etc.) but also things that we know exist but we've never seen (all of the Glastonbury 81 footage, the Apollo 98 gig etc.). Would be nice to get a few complete gigs as well, especially from the 80s, as there ain't too much of that available.

I know a lot of the TV footage is already out there (on YouTube etc.) but I think it would be great to get this in exceptional quality and just to have it officially released.

In respect of JD, I'm not sure they really need another box set. Audio wise, everything is pretty much covered by Heart & Soul (barring a few early demos, complete RCA, Genetic Demos and Piccadilly Session). I guess, there might be some gigs never bootlegged previously that could be released. I think I'd just rather they realised a DVD of the JD stuff. In fact, I have no idea why they haven't done this already. You could pretty much fit everything there is by JD on a DVD or two.

Consider a DVD with the following:

LWTUA videos (both versions) Atmosphere video Shadowplay on Granada Reports What's On performance of She's Lost Control Something Else performance of Transmission, She's Lost Control plus the Wilson/Morris interview Apollo footage (complete for both nights) Eindhoven footage (all tracks filmed) Bowden Vale footage Plan K gig (the fabled footage) No City Fun film Whitehead film

Those last three things would be monumental and would shift a lot of copies, I feel.
Perhaps the excellent Grant Gee doc could also be included, as that would add some exposition / commentary to the disc(s). In fact, I always thought they missed a trick with that documentary. They had access to the Whitehead movie, the What's On footage and the Plan K gig, but only showed brief clips. Why didn't they release a three disc special edition with all the above footage?

Anyway, thoughts from anyone...

I forgot the other classic: 'There was a great box set years ago by some shitty useless fucking group who never ever had fuck all at all ever to do with New Order ever, so fingers crossed.' One of the strange things about NO is how gems get lost (Let's Go - Waiting For So Long) while crap like The Other Two and Raise The Pressure get full-lown media hype. Freebass' Tower urinates over the EP but is now harder to find than a dry Mel C DVD in my house.

perspexorange wrote:

I think I'd just rather they realised a DVD of the JD stuff. In fact, I have no idea why they haven't done this already. You could pretty much fit everything there is by JD on a DVD or two.

There was going to be a DVD of Here are the Young Men as part of the Control hype but it never etc, maybe because the '''''quality''''' is like a Parkinson's victim holding a Betamax camera through a letterbox in Stoke on Monday morning for a damp tenner. Badly. The Grunt Gee doc is horrible. How much money do these 'anti-commercialists' want to eke out of a corpse? Mind you, it's not quite as cringeworthy as NOStory. Paul Borely sums up everything I hate about mucous journalism and for some reason I've never been able to fathom NO journalism in particular. 'This is the metaphysical narrative extraneous story of New Order, a gleaming axle grease momentous goblin lurking through the murky mucky hills at midnight in a dank dark meadow of Summer leaved ashen bark for greening commerce in prolix peabodies.' Gillian: Yes! Ha ha ha! Steve: Aye lad, something like that. Bernard: I was scared to take over from Ian. It just didn't scare me. Peter: Fuck, cunt. Tony: Manchester was always and would always be Manchester and out of Manchester there came Manchester and its Manchester.

Bernard is probably focused on hypnotizing Tom and phil, so that after he and Steve and gillian retire in about 12 years, Tom and Phil can carry on with vigor and excitement .

A box set should have any missing bits and singles from technique to lost sirens, it should have all the extra bsides ,the best live version of each of the songs since the beginning, including the songs they have not yet played live ,( this will require some studio trickery, or they go outside and just play for about 25 hours ),the recent synth songs from the 4 mif shows, the live shows edited to include the best version of every song played since reforming .

Disc 9 would include songs of other bands played by new order , such as 'sweet judy blue eyes' by Crosby stills, Nash, ' back street girl' by the rolling stones, 'woman of a thousand years' by Fleetwood mac 's Danny Kirwan ,and maybe a duet of gillian and barney singing in spanish 'no time to say goodbye '

And the all 125 minute version of vicious streak

keepitcoming wrote: Bernard is probably focused on hypnotizing Tom and phil... the best live version of each of the songs including the songs they have not yet played live... other bands played by new order , such as 'sweet judy blue eyes' by Crosby stills, Nash, ' back street girl' by the rolling stones, 'woman of a thousand years' by Fleetwood mac 's Danny Kirwan ,and maybe a duet of gillian and barney singing in spanish 'no time to say goodbye '

Ah yes, thanks for reminding me of the other step - the ice on the proverbial cack, so to speak: Just when you think the suggestions can't get any more fucked up, keepjizzcumming drops an E and spouts something almost intelligible about Hooky pulling off Bernard in a Roman bath, Gillian touring Stoke with 367543 rock legends who'd be 5456707507647643600 times more charismatic than her if they weren't dead, and of course a shoal of 37 narwahls bleating prog rock folk mucous off the coast of Shoreditch. More please.

Michael Monkhouse wrote: Just when you think the suggestions can't get any more fucked up, keepjizzcumming drops an E and spouts something almost intelligible

Just when you think the random posts on the box set thread couldn't get any more random, Mr Spunkhouse takes no drugs whatsover but still manages to confuse the bejesus out of the rest of us with his Rik Mayall-on-a-bender style ramblings.

Michael Monkhouse wrote: and of course a shoal of 37 narwahls bleating prog rock folk mucous

Narwahls will forever be associated with just one type of rock. Rock Lobster. (3.23-3.24)

Debaser wrote: Rock Lobster.

I'm a SOLE man.

Boxsets? Boners?

FAPPtory Records.