markreed wrote: [ Try saying something good and positive about the band.
... But keep it real.
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markreed wrote:
Try saying something good and positive about the band. Just you know, try it. It honestly doesn't hurt.
i did,
one thing about new order, is that they do sound better live now, and not as 'raw' as they used to when they first started, and bernard is not as off-key as he used to be.
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Hellbent 23 minute stratobliss remix would be my choice for one of the 8 sides of the new retro
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Where are all the totally fucked up proposed traack listings that are so perfect they make Mel C look like Merkel? I better start... Hey guys, wouldn't it be like just totally AWESOME if we got like Substance Revisited? Here we go... Ceremony (Brian Eno mix) - Eno was rumoured to be maybe going to possibly be on Sirens but he wasn't so he must feel a right tart: fuck Bowie, John Cale, and Nico, he coulda been in Wanking Overtime! Also he mixed a Suede track and Suede used Peter Savile who also did New Order, so fingers crossed here. EGG - Advent - This came out when they weren't even talking to each other, let alone recording, but I reckon they know it inside out like what I do. They certainly had a great quality control over The Rest Of. Temptation - Bolland - Yeah I know it ain't really NO but it brings back awesome memories of clubbing with my girlfriend who's now my wife. I'm sure such considerations are foremost in the minds of multi-national corporate pigs when compiling another compilation compilingly. Blue Monday - Ian Curtis mix - Yeah! Wouldn't it be like totally awesome if he wasn't dead - he just needed a breather - and what better way to return than remixing their nevergreen hit? Conmfusion - CoOmFusArsIon mix - I had this on 12" in 1991 but my cat pissed on it and I can't play it any more. I'm sure Mute care about this too. I'm gonna start a petition, I had this on 12" in 1991 but make my cat didn't piss on it so I can play it any more.
It's certainly undeniable that the end result of another New Order box set could be immensely disappointing. But, I think it's equally plausible that the end result could be satisfying and appealing. A good New Order box set exists. Somewhere, buried deep in the aether, is a magnificent, contemporary New Order collection.
Frankly, I can be a sucker for demos. Seeing a track in its adolescence - as it's just beginning to find itself - can be very interesting. With such examples as the lyrical demo of Let's Go and the charming demo of Bizarre Love Triangle, I would love to have more demo recordings from the Factory-Era. If the box set finds space for a decent assemblage of old demos, I will be very, very happy.
If at least one member of the band is involved and actually interested in the project, I believe there's hope. Hope for the box to be a gratifying one.
And I can easily predict that the only tracks on this box set I don't already have on CD will be "Vicious Circle (New order mix)" and the 12" full-length of "Shellshock." Maybe, if I am lucky, I will get "Shellcock" too! Will I moan about that? Of course. Will i buy it? Of course.
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Kelvin wrote: https://mobile.twitter.com/KCMANC/status/770562735276957697/photo/1
I was about to post this in a new thread.
This is a publishers promo (as per the Joy Division one and The Smiths one) and nothing to do with the about-to-be-released revamped 'Singles', nor the upcoming box set Steve has been talking about.
When I say NO are overrated people misunderstand and think it means they're shit (obviously they aren't) or I dislike them (obviously I don't). It simply means the comments about them you can take are leave - but are not borne out by the quality and quantity of their actual music. Here are some genuine professional journo quotes I remember verbatim: now even as a superfan, put your hand on your heart and say, Yes indeed:
- 'The most important band since the Beatles or the Stones.'
- 'They dominate the charts like no other group.'
- 'Electronic' is one of the greatest albums ever made.'
- (my personal favourite) 'New Order are our finest band, incapable of making anything less than a great record. Indeed, Republic shows they're currently making the strongest music of their lives. I also love Revenge, Electronic and the Other Two with a passion.'
- 'New Order were the most important band in the 80s, just like Electronic for the 90s. Bernard is a new Brian Eno, the only genius currently working in music.'
- 'The inventors of 80s music, and pretty much everything else.' You can support these comments by the music alone?
I hope the new Box set has some new songs or something new from Music Complete , otherwise it is not worth buying in my opinion.
Linus Solanki wrote: I hope the new Box set has some new songs or something new from Music Complete , otherwise it is not worth buying in my opinion.
It's Warners, so back catalogue up to WFTSC/Lost Sirens.
Given the long standing wonderful work by TPOIT, I do not expect there to be much in the way of music to bring me to the checkout once again for the new pre-Mute box.
That is, unless the elves at Saville Associates come up with a thing of rare beauty - as well they might...
Rorschach wrote: That is, unless the elves at Saville Associates come up with a thing of rare beauty - as well they might...
Yes, what if they actually do a proper version of Recycle as originally envisioned? Everything properly remastered, and packaged in the way £50 Note hoped they might do in his wake. Beautifully presented in an amazing box with luxury booklet...and a flag.
Ok the flag wouldn't do it, but the rest of it might just give me FOMO. Must.Stay.Strong.
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One of the best box-sets I bought in recent years was Bowie's "Five Years" shortly before he died. Maybe part of the problem as to why they always struggled putting together a definitive New Order box-set is because there is such a vast discography and literally hundreds of non-album tracks. Doing everything in one go might have been a bit of a tall erm... order not to mention consolidating it all onto a single item the record company weren't sure they could flog enough of. Hence the reticence on their part (I'm guessing).
Perhaps they should take a leaf out of the Bowie archivists book and gradually release "era" spanning box-sets over the course of a few years I.e.
- The Early Factory Years: 1980-1985 (Movement, 1981-1982 EP, PC&L and Low-life),
- The Later Factory Years: 1986-1990 (Brotherhood, Substance 1987 and Technique),
- The Warner Brothers Years: 1993-2006 (Republic, Get Ready, WFTSC and Lost Sirens).
Each CD sized box-set would contain 10 or so remastered CDs including:
- Each album with mini-LP artwork card reproductions from the Factory/London originals.
- A corresponding bonus disc for each album containing 12" mixes, non-album tracks etc. based on the 2008 efforts but expanded.
- One further obscure rarities disc like Bowie's "Re:Call 1" CD covering unreleased demos, rare lost mixes etc.
- A live album of a previously unreleased "choice" gig showing the band at the peak of their then-powers.
Also release the box-sets digitally in 24-bit (a minor point but would be nice).
I don't think there's any need to include every mix, dub, remix edit, dub edit etc. that ever existed. That's not a decent listenable box set, that's just OCD (in my opinion). That said, there are some nice remixes languishing on forgotten promos out there which would do very well to get a proper release; the Sunrise Rough Mix & Planet Funk Remix of WFTSC to name but two. The problem with the fan proposals for Recycle have always been (although £50 Note tempered his slightly) that the track-listings were random and out of control. They're just a list of mixes rather than a properly thought out concept.
Realistically the band and label are probably some way down the line with this new box-set already so the above is purely "dream concept" but I'm sure they've looked at incredible box-sets done by other bands and taken notes. I've personally got high hopes for this one from what we've heard so far.
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Quite honestly I think the reason is far more prosaic: They just don't give a shit. As I said before, they talk about Substance but probably don't know anything about London's 862 rererereleases. It's not like they have Beatles-Anthology-esque masses of tracks to deal with either. Case in point: the POTHL shipping fuck up. So tell me what you want, what you really really want: Another 9730953289 years' dicking about with rerererererererehashes, or another album as good as MC? I'll tell you what I want, what I really really want: Some Republic demos. I'd like to know if Hooky was just BSing when he said it started out much harder and NOy before Hague.
Box set schmox set.I feel they should give the re issues remasters re fucking whatever a rest for a while.They'll have to come up with something really earth shatteringly special, something totally mindblowing in its originality and creativeness for me to part with my dosh this time.
NotAMod wrote: One of the best box-sets I bought in recent years was Bowie's "Five Years" shortly before he died. Maybe part of the problem as to why they always struggled putting together a definitive New Order box-set is because there is such a vast discography and literally hundreds of non-album tracks. Doing everything in one go might have been a bit of a tall erm... order not to mention consolidating it all onto a single item the record company weren't sure they could flog enough of. Hence the reticence on their part (I'm guessing).
Perhaps they should take a leaf out of the Bowie archivists book and gradually release "era" spanning box-sets over the course of a few years I.e.
- The Early Factory Years: 1980-1985 (Movement, 1981-1982 EP, PC&L and Low-life),
- The Later Factory Years: 1986-1990 (Brotherhood, Substance 1987 and Technique),
- The Warner Brothers Years: 1993-2006 (Republic, Get Ready, WFTSC and Lost Sirens).
Each CD sized box-set would contain 10 or so remastered CDs including:
- Each album with mini-LP artwork card reproductions from the Factory/London originals.
- A corresponding bonus disc for each album containing 12" mixes, non-album tracks etc. based on the 2008 efforts but expanded.
- One further obscure rarities disc like Bowie's "Re:Call 1" CD covering unreleased demos, rare lost mixes etc.
- A live album of a previously unreleased "choice" gig showing the band at the peak of their then-powers.
Also release the box-sets digitally in 24-bit (a minor point but would be nice).
I don't think there's any need to include every mix, dub, remix edit, dub edit etc. that ever existed. That's not a decent listenable box set, that's just OCD (in my opinion). That said, there are some nice remixes languishing on forgotten promos out there which would do very well to get a proper release; the Sunrise Rough Mix & Planet Funk Remix of WFTSC to name but two. The problem with the fan proposals for Recycle have always been (although £50 Note tempered his slightly) that the track-listings were random and out of control. They're just a list of mixes rather than a properly thought out concept.
Realistically the band and label are probably some way down the line with this new box-set already so the above is purely "dream concept" but I'm sure they've looked at incredible box-sets done by other bands and taken notes. I've personally got high hopes for this one from what we've heard so far.
as mentioned in my post here: http://forums.neworderonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=24126#post24126
this guy came up with 47 discs worth of material. (including dvd's etc).
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negative1 wrote: as mentioned in my post here: http://forums.neworderonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=24126#post24126
this guy came up with 47 discs worth of material. (including dvd's etc).
Yes I read that earlier today but as I opined further up:
NotAMod wrote: I don't think there's any need to include every mix, dub, remix edit, dub edit etc. that ever existed. That's not a decent listenable box set, that's just OCD (in my opinion).
What I proposed would be roughly no more than 10 discs per box-set (times 3) and the content strictly marshalled to avoid repetition like say, 500 mixes of Crystal.
I mean, kudos to the guy for compiling it and all (his heart is clearly in the right place as per his nice intro) that but do we really need six CDs covering the Get Ready era? Does anyone? Really? Even half that would be overkill. You've got to make the box-set look good as a concept as well as in terms of the material featured. Less is more but the trick is making what you do include so welcome and indispensable that nobody cares the 7" of Dub-vulture isn't on there. That's the challenge.
There's a difference between a well crafted box-set and a spreadsheet with some images next to seemingly never-ending lists of remixes.
I think it's hilarious people are getting boners over the fact a genuine real actual band member is involved... Hooky was proactively involved in the 2008 remasters and said he was proud of them.
Michael Monkhouse wrote: I think it's hilarious people are getting boners over the fact a genuine real actual band member is involved... Hooky was proactively involved in the 2008 remasters and said he was proud of them.
They were involved with the main album remastering back then, however when it came to the second disc material (the stuff that got messed up) they left it to the label.
Makes it even worse IMO. Compare and contrast http://a-different-place.co.uk/suede-album-reissues-full-tracklistings/... Yet NO's integrity remains. Lucky bastards.
Well, they've come up with the goods yet again. How do they do it? What's their secret? I guess we'll never know.
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Hooky mentions something here about new Boxset/ Reissues
His actual comments are slightly more vague than the headline "Peter Hook says massive New Order box sets are on the way" would suggest.
“Warners are doing a collector’s series of the albums, a box set that will be more like that,” Hook tells the website. “I got a wonderful present for my 60th birthday which was Led Zeppelin II, complete with all the flyers and gig posters, a vinyl edition — it was wonderfully done, and I took it and showed it to Warner Bros. and said, ‘This is how our next reissue should be.’ You know, really give the fans something to treasure. We’re working towards that aim — thank God.”
There has been a lot going on behind the scenes, and this time its really happening. Good people are on the case.
Pink Floyd released in November 2016 a 28 disc set, which looks nonsensical. But it could do as a reference for New Order: a box full demos, outtakes, unreleased tracks, live versions and lots of photos and memorabilia (posters, flyers, etc), all packaged in an astonishing Saville's artwork. Fingers crossed. ![[;)]](/emoticons/wink.gif){kind=small}
Michael Monkhouse wrote: Cool, it'll be out by dinner time.
I'm surprised you haven't had a rant about flogging dead horses etc.
I'm not sure I care that much if they're re-issuing individual albums again. I'd be surprised if there are new gems waiting to be discovered. So, we're paying for some fancy new packaging and replica "flyers" that might've gone in the bin if they were handed to me at a gig? I guess they'll be remastered again, but will that make a big difference to most people? I doubt it.
As for Substance 2 which Mr Remmer has been coyly hinting at but then not wanting to spill the beans on... Things of course, changed shortly after the first Substance. House music came along in '88 and it's influence spawned numerous 12" mixes of each track. Up until then it was easy to plonk THE 12" version of a single on to Substance (yeah I know, a couple of tracks were re-recordings...). Doing a definitive Substance 2 when there were lots of 12" versions surely isn't going to work so well (Bogle mix of RIAD anyone?). I suspect some of y'all already have a compilation on your computers of your favourite post-Substance singles/remixes. Do we need to buy an official one? Well maybe a 2018 remaster of Scumfrog's take on Here To Stay is what's missing from our lives...
Oh maybe they'll do things I haven't thought of...I dunno. For now though, my only real hope for NO is that they'll make one more decent album before they pick up their free bus passes.
Another album please with about 12 great songs , and then about 10 more great bonus songs written for various films, or golfing or whaling songs ,another football song, love songs,hate songs, , sex songs, or even songs of narwals and pugs. go NO go.
