Peter Hook: Substance: Inside New Order

lee wrote:

Fotzepolitic wrote:

Cranelane wrote: Substance

Has the cover been posted yet? If not then here it is.

Hooky talking out of his arse then

he's just blocked me on twitter for saying its a very apt cover as no doubt he'll be talking out of his arse!

i have to give you credit for the pun though as i nicked it

I never repeat old material. Anyway, happy new year. Porn forum. Some threads may be sticky... I won't bother with this book. Not cos Hooky talks crap, just cos there are only so many times you can hear the same story... I diidn't bother with Bernard's either cos (a) like I said, it's too much of the same, and (b) it was by all accounts vague and uninspired... I'm not into rock bios anyway, except John Lydon's cos he has a story to tell and stimulating ideas. It's different with, say, Ingmar Bergman where the work is layered and the bio gives you an insight. I don't give 2 shits how many drugs Barney needed to write Every Little Cunts. I'm writing a book about how Hooky plays bass but not in the usual way (as a supporting instrument) but almost as a lead, even with a plectrum. The book is called, 'Not Fucking Again, 40 Years and The Novelty Still Ain't Fucking Worn Off, Write Some New Songs'. I'm also writing my autobiography. It's not so much sex 'n' drugs 'n' rock-n-roll as Razzle reader's wives, Heineken and Spice Girls.

Debaser wrote: Gillian? She never struck me as a drug taker

She's one mental wild child!

I saw PiL a few weeks ago and Lydon looked like he had eaten all the pies, so he's got no right to talk about other people over-doing things.

79order wrote: Course the cover could be Hooky saying kiss my arse.Iconic image Jesus I love you

What's ironic is that back when I was getting into Hooky's side projects, I considered myself to be a very staunch atheist at the time. 😈 I remember cringing at the title "Jesus, I Love You," but it actually turned out to be my favorite song off that first Revenge EP. It's like a perfect blend of New Order meshed with industrial rock. Now I'll be listening to it on my next trip to mass.

Ken Doherty wrote: I saw PiL a few weeks ago and Lydon looked like he had eaten all the pies, so he's got no right to talk about other people over-doing things.

Pies? I'm pretty sure it's due to Country Life giving him a lifetime supply of butter

That's hilarious... Viking rock fuckpig's failed S 'n' M discorock project converts one to Christianity. Lydon's integrity is intact as every butter penny went to fund the next bout of activity. It's massively unfair that Naomi Campbell says 'I won't get outa bed for less than a billion' and instead of saying 'Fuck off then you arrogant bitch' we go 'She's AWESOME! That's the kinda att you gotta love!' Sarah Jessica Parker is writing her autobiography too. It's called, Straight from the horse's mouth.

Michael Monkhouse wrote: That's hilarious... Viking rock fuckpig's failed S 'n' M discorock project converts one to Christianity.

I was actually born and raised Catholic, so technically I was already converted since day one. I've been slowly reclaiming my faith over the years and I guess I can say that New Order's music has helped with that. After all, "I'm gonna live to get high..."

Catholic priests: Anti-gay, won't get married, masturbation is a sin. Will fuck kids though.

Michael Monkhouse wrote: Catholic priests: Anti-gay, won't get married, masturbation is a sin. Will fuck kids though.

Well, all I can say is that they weren't truly Catholic and God will have judgement on their souls. The amount of kind-hearted priests outweigh the dishonest ones by a landslide, so I'm not losing faith. Same deal with the police situation here in America. The media is out to demonize our police force as a bunch of racists pigs, yet there's only a small fraction of crooked cops within the collective whole.

Can't wait for the book. Certainly will not be boring!

I bet all the people that bash Hook on these forums and say he's talking out of his ass and doesn't belong in the band or whatever will still turn up at the book signings for an autograph and a handshake "just because". If you don't like him, then don't read his book or bother to meet him because you'll just be taking the chance away from people who still support him.

YourSilentFace wrote: I bet all the people that bash Hook on these forums and say he's talking out of his ass and doesn't belong in the band or whatever will still turn up at the book signings for an autograph and a handshake "just because". If you don't like him, then don't read his book or bother to meet him because you'll just be taking the chance away from people who still support him.

Welcome to the forum Peter

If this is indeed Peter Hook, realize we are only mad because we want the fighting to stop and you back with the rest of the group. Since I don't ever see that happening any time soon, here's some fan faith and loyalty for you...

Play the song "Jesus, I Love You" as an encore during your Portland Oregon performance (NOVEMBER 4), and I will be there to get your autograph after the show. I have a copy of the first Revenge EP on vinyl coming in the mail soon waiting for your signature. You have my support. 😎

The fighting won't stop because it's true that Hook broke the band up in 2007 because the group weren't getting along. Seems responsible as they were already the best band of the 80s, WFTSC had some great tracks but no-one really cares about it in retrospect and why keep doing it just for the money? Bernard agreed to this as he formed Bad Lieutenant but it was a financial flop and he played smaller gigs than what he wanted. So why not reunite New Order for the easy money, play the greatest hits and throw some planned Bad Lieutenant songs into a new New Order album and rake it in without the guy who didn't want to do that? Then call Hook the bad guy for splitting up the band almost a decade ago?

I remember on 7 July 1979 Ian had a cup of coffee. Coffee's brown like the surname of Mel B: how ironic and iconic and shit that Ian, so 'scared' of shit, might've wanted to bone the Spice Girl known as 'Scary'. He added milk like the earth mother goddess, the lack of whose love inspired lyrics like Isolation, Love Will Tear Us Apart and shit. Also he aded THREE lumps of sugar and 3's the Holy Trinity just like he probably wanted to bone a threesome of Natalie, that Belgian bird and this tart we was watchin on a porno on tour. Ian was awesome and shit, like.

YourSilentFace wrote: The fighting won't stop because it's true that Hook broke the band up in 2007 because the group weren't getting along. Seems responsible as they were already the best band of the 80s, WFTSC had some great tracks but no-one really cares about it in retrospect and why keep doing it just for the money? Bernard agreed to this as he formed Bad Lieutenant but it was a financial flop and he played smaller gigs than what he wanted. So why not reunite New Order for the easy money, play the greatest hits and throw some planned Bad Lieutenant songs into a new New Order album and rake it in without the guy who didn't want to do that? Then call Hook the bad guy for splitting up the band almost a decade ago?

Yeah but the New Order album is awesome. Also was BL a flop?

Moderne Decay wrote:

Play the song "Jesus, I Love You" as an encore 😎

Please don't. The Light's gigs are the only thing he's getting right so don't drag in a band that make The Other Two sound like The Who. OTP was shoddy, rushed and bollox and essentially just an excuse to tour - even superegotistical Hooky admitted that. The funny thing is how much criticism Hooky's getting - from the fans. Wtf must the average Joe make of him?

Cranelane wrote: interspersed with ‘geek facts’

Compare and contrast https://www.vamp.org/Siouxsie/Text/kdeyoe.94/0195.html

YourSilentFace wrote: The fighting won't stop because it's true that Hook broke the band up in 2007 because the group weren't getting along. Seems responsible as they were already the best band of the 80s, WFTSC had some great tracks but no-one really cares about it in retrospect and why keep doing it just for the money? Bernard agreed to this as he formed Bad Lieutenant but it was a financial flop and he played smaller gigs than what he wanted. So why not reunite New Order for the easy money, play the greatest hits and throw some planned Bad Lieutenant songs into a new New Order album and rake it in without the guy who didn't want to do that? Then call Hook the bad guy for splitting up the band almost a decade ago?

OK, a few things:

• Bad Lieutenant played about 18-20 live gigs (depending on your definition) over a 2-and-a-bit year period, performing in venues like SECC Glasgow, Heaven, Roskilde Festival, and MEN Arena. Their setlists were largely original BL material, interspersed by JD, NO and Electronic tracks (plus "Out of Control"). By contrast, from what I can tell from setlist.fm, Freebass played a total of 4 gigs, all in the space of a single month in mid-2010. One of these was at Hook's own club, the others were at seemingly very small venues. None of the live performances included core member Andy Rourke, and within 3 months Rourke and Mani had announced, in very different ways, their respective departures from Freebass. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this was the last time Hook performed an original song live - over 6 years ago. In around the same time period, Bernard has contributed to recording and touring two full albums of new material (BL and NO). Which is the genuinely "easy money" in this equation - is it really the risk-free, nostalgia-baiting cover version option?
• Leaving the band is not the same thing as breaking/splitting it up. Repeating this doesn't make it true. Remember this?
• Who in NO is framing Hook as the "bad guy"? Characterising him as being the principled or responsible one who didn't want to "rake in the easy money" but was instead more than happy to do plenty of fake DJ gigs and 6+ years of wall-to-wall greatest hits, without a single new song in a tribute band....principled?

ctb

A couple of things for you though CTB, notwithstanding the implosion of Freebass, you can't really claim BL playing the SECC and the MEN Arena as a symbol of their own status - they were just the support act for the Pet Shop Boys.

I'd dearly love Hook to write some more new material - his band are great, write with them! - but if he is happy in what he is doing at the moment then I say just leave him be... Plenty of the Hook-bashers on here (and there are many) would simply judge any of his new material before they even listened to it anyway, if they even would listen to it in the first place.

Plenty of people love his album shows & he gets around the world just like N.O - every time I see a Light announcement their tours get bigger and bigger. Good luck to him!

Mr_D1sco wrote: A couple of things for you though CTB, notwithstanding the implosion of Freebass, you can't really claim BL playing the SECC and the MEN Arena as a symbol of their own status - they were just the support act for the Pet Shop Boys.

I'd dearly love Hook to write some more new material - his band are great, write with them! - but if he is happy in what he is doing at the moment then I say just leave him be... Plenty of the Hook-bashers on here (and there are many) would simply judge any of his new material before they even listened to it anyway, if they even would listen to it in the first place.

Plenty of people love his album shows & he gets around the world just like N.O - every time I see a Light announcement their tours get bigger and bigger. Good luck to him!

Fair point, I accept that. They also didn't play at King Tut's Wah Wah Hut either, but Freebass did. But...

I wouldn't call myself a Hook-basher, I did - and still do - admire his unique musical contribution and freely acknowledge it as an important ingredient of the NO sound. I just called out bullshit when I saw it, and backed it up with evidence that (mostly) refutes unsubstantiated claims from him or his acolyte/s (or him pretending to be an acolyte, possibly). In a way Hooky himself is the world's worst Hook-basher - every time he mouths off about his former bandmates in the press, he's doing himself and his fans (past and present) far more a disservice than any anonymous keyboard warrior could achieve.

I'd be happy to 'leave him be' were not for his endless bitterness and demonstrably inaccurate comments about his former bandmates. As a NO fan, I find it unedifying and disappointing to see this from someone I had once held in high regard, and rather than sycophantically accept and defend his position purely on the basis that he once contributed to the iconic 'classic' sound of New Order, I thought it worth pointing out a few things that seem to otherwise go unchallenged. After all, if he is about to launch a book of memoirs about his time in New Order, so you'd reasonably expect that he would value the power of unambiguous truth. If his new book is as flexible with the truth as some of his past comments in the press might suggest, his reputation is likely to take a further bashing in coming months - again, this would be at his own hand.

Plenty of people do love his shows with The Light, agreed... but that's not the point. The point is, they aren't shows with new - or even old - original Peter Hook music that is independent of NO or JD. NO and JD are popular - that's why he tours those shows. The rest of New Order tour to promote new material, mixing it live with reworked versions of older, well known stuff. Hook has no new material, for whatever reason he's chosen to not take the risk of recording and touring his own stuff. That anyone could argue that it's New Order and not Hooky that are 'doing for the money' is a bit delusional, frankly.

Let me know how big the crowds are when he does a show performing One True Passion in it's entirety.

Personally, I'm a fan of all the side projects. The only exceptions being the following:

The Freebass album I really enjoyed the first EP, but the album had Gary Briggs singing on EVERY SONG. Come on Hooky, let those vocals shine! I only listen to instrumental version now. If Hooky did vocals for the whole album, I would have loved it.

The Bad Lieutenant album Jake Evans on vocals were not really my thing. Not that he's a bad singer, it just doesn't gel with me. I pretty much just skip the tracks that he takes lead vocals on.

So with that said... All the Revenge, Electronic, The Other Two and even the Monaco albums are all equally brilliant. I feel no need to defend my tastes any further.

Let's consider why there is some Hook bashing, as opposed to just kneejerk go "Waaaah don't criticise him."

He lambasts the bands continued existence, expecting them to just roll over and play dead without him.

He says that he left, the band 'split'... because the band was always going to be the same four people. Apart from Gillian left due to health issues. It was OK to carry on then. Because the person who left wasn't called Peter Hook.

He criticises the current bass player for being a soundalike, yet also criticises him for adding 'his own stamp' to it. And criticises Tom for the band having a sequenced bass as well as live bass. Despite the fact the band had live sequenced bass for at least 23 years before left.

He criticises the band as a nostalgia act, yet 99% of his shows contan no song less than 29 years old.

His interviews are factually incorrect at certain points. So many I can't be bothered to list them.

His lists of complaints of greivances are about money, security, and well... money. New Order were chronically and incompetently managed financially, pissed money against the wall, and every year the band turned over probably far, far more than I ever will. I can't comment on any current financial arrangements, but having been in N.O. for 25 years and the band earning for Reading 1998 over 10 times the *current* national salary (18 years later) I can only conclude some financial recklessness. Suing your former bandmates for money isn't the answer. Getting a goddamn Tardis and a decent accountant is probably the answer.

Also, selling a reproduction school photo for a grand on your website? Or limited edition books with bits of masonry and a 10" record for around £450?

Freebass. It's a rubbish record. He's not released an album of new material in six years.

All the current actions are mercenary and brazenly desperate, monetising the legacy. I'm fairly sure 'Twatto' isn't perfect, but he's not slagging off everyone constantly.

Sure, The Light play great shows, and the band sound lovely, but lets not put anyone on a false pedestal here. I hope the book is a great read, but I suspect all it will do is extend the legal action and cost everyone a lot of money. Life is too short to spend your old age slagging off everyone who was part of your career when you were younger.

Superb post

He needs to take a step back and look at what he's got/achieved and stop this court case and bickering now Or he's going to die a bitter sad man

I also go to the odd hook gig and enjoy them,and he certainly seems to so why can't he just be happy with his lot

It's occurred to me the similarities between Peter Hook and Donald Trump.Both always running their mouth, talking out their arse, saying nasty hateful things about people, contradicting and denying things they've said, desperate for attention and to be the big man numero uno..... oh yeah and being a total wanker.

Moderne Decay wrote: Come on Hooky, let those vocals shine! If Hooky did vocals for the whole album, I would have loved it.

Is this a joke?

Do we think there'll be another book to follow detailing Revenge, Monaco, Freebass and The Light (and maybe the outcome of his court case(s))?

Not particularly bothered either way if one comes out, I didn't buy any of those groups records or go to their gigs (although I saw Freebass at the 100 Club (not overly impreesed tbh), I didn't bother with the album, and I'm still surprised that copies haven't turned up in Poundland yet): maybe he'll need to earn a few extra quid if his court case goes against him, and I can't think there's anything left of the Hacienda he can sell off as a 'limited edition'.

Extract from 'I Am Monkey', Steve's forthcoming autobiography: So Steve, what was it like working with Jonathan Demme? Oh yeah. Jonathan. Johnny Demme. John 'Silence of the Lambs' Demmie. Johnny 'Silencie and stuff' Demmie... Doing quite well for himself now! Something of a director I believe! Or not! Ah yes actually. Thanks to us. Or maybe not. Actually that's a good line innit. Do a New Order video, become a director! Yes, like Jonathan Demme! Oh hang on, he 's already done one inne? Yeah! That's me point! Come on and - yeah.... Thank you for that insight. Gillian? Ha ha ha!

Fotzepolitic wrote: It's occurred to me the similarities between Peter Hook and Donald Trump.Both always running their mouth, talking out their arse, saying nasty hateful things about people, contradicting and denying things they've said, desperate for attention and to be the big man numero uno..... oh yeah and being a total wanker.

Has Hooky accused Bernard of being the founder of ISIS yet? 😈

Fotzepolitic wrote: It's occurred to me the similarities between Peter Hook and Donald Trump.Both always running their mouth, talking out their arse, saying nasty hateful things about people, contradicting and denying things they've said, desperate for attention and to be the big man numero uno..... oh yeah and being a total wanker.

Yet everyone whom seems to dislike him can't stop saying his name, which ironically keeps getting him free publicity from the new sources which supposedly are against him. If a lesson is to be learned here, it is this: America loves its villains. Coincidentally, there's a movie out now called "Suicide Squad" which I'm pretty sure is a heaping pile of cinematic crap, yet it's totally ranking in the cash preaching the same message of America loving its own villains.